290 ... Lisa Morgan ... Barrow and Furness
332 ... Julia Maria Long ... Bexhill and Battle
196 ... Kellie-Jay Keen ... Bristol Central
452 ... Catherine Briggs ... Doncaster North
318 ... Katharine Margaret Murphy ... Finchley and Golders Green
244 ... Hazel Exon ... Honiton and Sidmouth
354 ... Lesley Woodburn ... Islington South and Finsbury
116 ... Una Marie O'Mahony ... Kensington and Bayswater
283 ... Liz Panton ... Newcastle upon Tyne East and Wallsend
455 ... Linda Jane Law ... Norwich South
337 ... Katherine Mary Longthorp ... Oxford East
482 ... Louise McDonald ... Sheffield Heeley
295 ... Bernadette O'Malley ... South West Hertfordshire
274 ... Bev White ... St Neots and Mid Cambridgeshire
286 ... Kelly Jane Oliver Dougall ... Tynemouth
363 ... Seonaid Dawn Barber ... West Worcestershire
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NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 16:03
You said voting against people's rights. Women's rights are people's rights. You didn't specify housing and employment in the subsequent post.
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 16:01
Labour are going to remove women's rights to housing and employment?
NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 16:00
Labour are going to remove women's rights if their manifesto is to be believed (as would Greens and LDs). Are you lacking respect for those voters too?
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 15:58
I don't give a shit how they feel. And I don't care about people voting against my desires, I care about them voting against people's rights
NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 15:53
I'm sure everybody who voted against your desires is GUTTED about that.
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 15:52
I have no respect for anyone who votes for a party whose leader think it's ok to deny a section of society housing and employment.
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 16:06
I'm sorry you can't coherently follow a conversation.
NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 16:03
You said voting against people's rights. Women's rights are people's rights. You didn't specify housing and employment in the subsequent post.
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 16:01
Labour are going to remove women's rights to housing and employment?
NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 16:00
Labour are going to remove women's rights if their manifesto is to be believed (as would Greens and LDs). Are you lacking respect for those voters too?
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 15:58
I don't give a shit how they feel. And I don't care about people voting against my desires, I care about them voting against people's rights
NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 15:53
I'm sure everybody who voted against your desires is GUTTED about that.
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 15:52
I have no respect for anyone who votes for a party whose leader think it's ok to deny a section of society housing and employment.
Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 16:06
The school that your children attend. If parents have concerns, they should request a meeting with the school their children attend and ask to see their teaching resources; and ask about their approach to teaching gender identity theory.
My children are all adults now, too, and I left teaching in 2010 when trans simply was not a thing in schools, and nobody had heard of 'gender identity'. But it is now. There has even been a child in my granddaughter's primary school was came back after covid identifying as a boy, and telling her friends that they were transphobic for misgendering her. They, understandably, were very upset. They were only 10 years old.
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 16:01
What school in question? I see many PSHE resources. My children are adults.
This doesn't make sense.
Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 16:00
I'm not claiming anything....I'm telling you the facts of what is going on in many schools. Yes, it is alarming.....and parents need to be aware. Ask the school in question for a look at their resources, ask the head directly what is going on in PSHE, and ask your own children too.
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:56
No, I certainly did not think you would. At all.
Please don't claim that many schools are involved in this because it is genuinely alarming to parents. Claims about how widespread this is can be very damaging.
Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 15:53
You don't honestly think I'd name the specific schools in question? Whether or not you believe or accept - doesn't detract from the truth of what I'm saying.
EditedEmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:45
"many schools in England"
Which schools?
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EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 16:03
Oh I think you were speaking generally.
This would be good if parents did check because they'd find out that the pshe resources are nothing to be concerned about.
They should definitely seek to reassure themselves. As I do with many anxious parents.
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EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32
children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 16:15
We have no truck with this. Big academy trust.
Nor the other 2 I am in regular contact with.
Parents on here should definitely inform themselves of the PSHE content of their school because they may believe these claims about all or most schools.
ChishiyaBat · 06/07/2024 15:26
It never happens does it, except all the times it actually does!
CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 15:23
if no one will listen, and self ID becomes the norm, and sterilising gay children and encouraging irreversible surgery resumes, unchecked, and it's all rolled out in schools like fact, if it's all men taking women's medals and opportunities, if breast feeding groups and menopause groups and female group therapy become overwhelmed with men
Kindly, get a hold of yourself. This is not going to happen. It's scaremongering.
rabbitwoman · 06/07/2024 15:04
'@CassieMaddox I think the results show the MN obsession with "what a woman is" isn't replicated by the voter base.'
Fine. Let it all happen then.
You know, we really have tried our very best - and will continue to do so. But if no one will listen, and self ID becomes the norm, and sterilising gay children and encouraging irreversible surgery resumes, unchecked, and it's all rolled out in schools like fact, if it's all men taking women's medals and opportunities, if breast feeding groups and menopause groups and female group therapy become overwhelmed with men - for whatever reason, but I bet it's not wholesome - then at least I know we played our part in trying to get it stopped, and supported people like KJK in doing so.
And there will be a huge list of people that we will hold to account. And we will hold them to account, when the time comes.
NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 16:03
You said voting against people's rights. Women's rights are people's rights. You didn't specify housing and employment in the subsequent post.
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 16:01
Labour are going to remove women's rights to housing and employment?
NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 16:00
Labour are going to remove women's rights if their manifesto is to be believed (as would Greens and LDs). Are you lacking respect for those voters too?
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 15:58
I don't give a shit how they feel. And I don't care about people voting against my desires, I care about them voting against people's rights
NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 15:53
I'm sure everybody who voted against your desires is GUTTED about that.
MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 15:52
I have no respect for anyone who votes for a party whose leader think it's ok to deny a section of society housing and employment.
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 16:22
I am not naïve. I am questioning how widespread this is and whether what is happening is as claimed.
I prefer to use evidence. I do intend to look further into this, as it's not my experience and we have firm guidelines. I will however check some of these details.
Excuse my scepticism on the matter, but I've read too many threads on identifying as cats and other nonsense.
rabbitwoman · 06/07/2024 09:04
I think they are OK with the idea of not getting their money back.
It's much like those employment tribunals that cost millions of pounds between them - Forstater, Bailey et al, they would never recoup the money it cost, even with the record payouts they got. But it wasn't about that, and they achieved so much more.
Money well spent, all of it.
turnipsarelush · 06/07/2024 09:01
Thats not very many is it - do they get their money back if it's over 500?
EditedMishmaj · 06/07/2024 16:18
Yes, they are. Two of mine have, indeed, been taught this year in their schools (at y6 and y9) that there are multiple genders.
Not to mention at senior school Pride club (which DD says is mainly filled by autistic kids) where they are told by senior pupils - but supervised by a teacher - that anything said is not to be repeated out of pride club. So the kids out themselves as trans and socially transition at pride club and are told not to tell anyone. These kids are generally ND. It’s shocking. And yes of course I have contacted the school multiple times and they have yet to answer.
It is absolutely happening in schools, even since the Cass report and despite guidelines. It is naive to think that the guidelines are being respected.
edited to correct a typo
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32
children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32
children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.
EasternStandard · 06/07/2024 16:48
It must be widespread enough for dc here to be know about gender ideology
In two different schools
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32
children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.
CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 14:21
Badenoch lost 26% of her vote share and was lucky to keep her seat.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001402
Thank fuck Miriam Cates has gone, and Rees Mogg.
I think the results show the MN obsession with "what a woman is" isn't replicated by the voter base.
Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 11:42
Jackie Doyle Price was standing down anyway...which is a shame in my view...as she was solid and had a firm grasp of the issue.
Labour % share of the vote was down in most places. Overall the vote share only increased by 2% in spite of winning a lot more seats. 35% of the electorate voted Labour - on a 60 % turnout. In Labour strongholds the Labour vote was down considerably - as people either voted for the Greens, for Reform, for independents or else spoiled their ballots.
Kemi Badenoch and Victoria Atkins remain for the Conservatives, and are the two with the most competence on this issue..
PlanetJanette · 06/07/2024 09:28
The Greens won four seats, not two.
Two of them in constituencies with some of the highest proportion of lesbian and gay voters - which rather suggests that claims that GC viewpoints are widely held by ‘same sex attracted people’ are wide of the mark.
Meanwhile, it was a bad election for explicitly GC politicians. Cherry, Gates, Hanvey, Doyle Price all gone. Even Duffield saw her votes fall by 10,000 and probably held on because of the general pro Labour headwinds in this election.
rabbitwoman · 06/07/2024 08:56
OK, we'll I have done some rough maths.
Candidates only stood in 16 constituencies and got 5077 votes between them.
If candidates had stood in all 650 constituencies that extrapolates out to 206000 votes.
Personally, I thought this campaign was a huge mistake simply because it was always going to look as though it was an unpopular opinion if so few people voted for it. This will now be the new talking point whenever this comes up - 'noone agrees with you, Noone voted for you' and unless you then have the space to explain that it was never about winning but bringing the issue to debate, it's always going to look as though KJK completely failed.
I don't think she did, tho. Puberty blockers banned in Scotland. The SNP annihilated. The greens only got 2 MPs.
I think keir and Wes will listen, because any harm done will be on their watch now. And they're not stupid.
So let's be optimistic. And we'll done KJK and those other brave candidates xxx
EasternStandard · 06/07/2024 16:48
It must be widespread enough for dc here to be know about gender ideology
In two different schools
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32
children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 16:52
Well, like I said, how widespread and what form these things take are debatable.
I've had parents contacting me - genuinely concerned - they listened to false information about our school and practice. On a couple of occasions, a misunderstanding was to do with language usage. I'd rather they spoke to us than say, the Daily Mail.
I would encourage parents to do as suggested and ensure that they understand the curriculum, particularly PSHE. This will normally be on the Learning Platform of the school website.
EasternStandard · 06/07/2024 16:48
It must be widespread enough for dc here to be know about gender ideology
In two different schools
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32
children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.
iseegulls · 05/07/2024 19:28
So KJK got the second lowest votes out of all her candidates?
I know this place is overrun with the KJK fan club these days, but honestly, that's hilarious IMO.
Given her narc tendancies she'll not be happy with that at all.
Sorry not sorry.
CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 16:40
You think men are going to take over breastfeeding and menopause groups?
You think despite the Cass Report doctors are going to start treating teenagers with surgery and puberty blockers again? I don't think there is any evidence this will happen at all.
ChishiyaBat · 06/07/2024 15:26
It never happens does it, except all the times it actually does!
CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 15:23
if no one will listen, and self ID becomes the norm, and sterilising gay children and encouraging irreversible surgery resumes, unchecked, and it's all rolled out in schools like fact, if it's all men taking women's medals and opportunities, if breast feeding groups and menopause groups and female group therapy become overwhelmed with men
Kindly, get a hold of yourself. This is not going to happen. It's scaremongering.
rabbitwoman · 06/07/2024 15:04
'@CassieMaddox I think the results show the MN obsession with "what a woman is" isn't replicated by the voter base.'
Fine. Let it all happen then.
You know, we really have tried our very best - and will continue to do so. But if no one will listen, and self ID becomes the norm, and sterilising gay children and encouraging irreversible surgery resumes, unchecked, and it's all rolled out in schools like fact, if it's all men taking women's medals and opportunities, if breast feeding groups and menopause groups and female group therapy become overwhelmed with men - for whatever reason, but I bet it's not wholesome - then at least I know we played our part in trying to get it stopped, and supported people like KJK in doing so.
And there will be a huge list of people that we will hold to account. And we will hold them to account, when the time comes.
EasternStandard · 06/07/2024 16:54
I speak to my dc. What they understand of gender ideology is from teaching at their schools.
Nothing to do with the press. They only know about it from classes
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 16:52
Well, like I said, how widespread and what form these things take are debatable.
I've had parents contacting me - genuinely concerned - they listened to false information about our school and practice. On a couple of occasions, a misunderstanding was to do with language usage. I'd rather they spoke to us than say, the Daily Mail.
I would encourage parents to do as suggested and ensure that they understand the curriculum, particularly PSHE. This will normally be on the Learning Platform of the school website.
EasternStandard · 06/07/2024 16:48
It must be widespread enough for dc here to be know about gender ideology
In two different schools
EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32
children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.
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EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32
children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
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Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.
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