I am, Tories can’t be trusted and got us into the mess we are in now and we all know that lib/lab/snp and green will do to women’s rights.
i don’t expect reform to win much but I read to say that amongst young males labour and Reform are both polling at 35% Among young women though Reform are polling very badly and Labour are polling exceptionally high. I guess if women are happy to vote their rights away that is their choice but I won’t.
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Rsfk35 · 04/07/2024 17:56
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cardibach ·
04/07/2024 20:36
Runsyd · 04/07/2024 20:32
Could you list your reasons for believing Reform are neo Nazi? Is there anything to suggest they are as anti-Semitic as the left?
Bigearringsbigsmile · 04/07/2024 18:34
I'm not a neo nazi so no
BIossomtoes ·
04/07/2024 20:36
Runsyd · 04/07/2024 20:32
Could you list your reasons for believing Reform are neo Nazi? Is there anything to suggest they are as anti-Semitic as the left?
Bigearringsbigsmile · 04/07/2024 18:34
I'm not a neo nazi so no
Reform candidates accused of 'antisemitic' posts
Reform UK is facing calls to drop two candidates who posted conspiracy theories and material deemed antisemitic, as further questions are raised about the party's vetting process.
https://news.sky.com/story/reform-candidates-accused-of-antisemitic-posts-13160663
PoppyCherryDog ·
04/07/2024 20:36
Anonym00se · 04/07/2024 20:28
It will have been used to protect her, she just doesn’t realise it. The fact that she’ll have been paid the same as a man, for example.
PoppyCherryDog · 04/07/2024 20:25
FFS! It’s nice that the equalities act has never have to be used to protect you but surely you can see how it protects many others??? It may have been fine for your before it came in but it wasn’t fine for a lot of people.
Rsfk35 · 04/07/2024 18:26
What’s wrong with scrapping the equalities act? I just don’t see any problem with that at all. I’m old and can remember what things were like pre-2010 and they were fine as I remember it.
But obviously we can all vote for whoever we want, just please don’t say you never knew what you were voting for when Labour bin women’s rights. If people vote for a party that wants to do that in large enough numbers they will get it and shouldn’t complain when they do. 🙂
Topofthemountain · 04/07/2024 18:17
I highly doubt that it's because they care about women's rights
Absolutely, they want women in their place. It seems strange to vote for a party that would scrap the Equality Act 2010 and then think they care about women because they want to ban trans ideology in schools.
I would never vote Reform. They aren't even a wolf in sheep's clothing, they are full blown all you can see wolf.
VoteOutToHelpOut ·
04/07/2024 20:40
Rsfk35 · 04/07/2024 20:16
Sure we will see. I’m not bothered if reform do badly though, all I really want is for the conservatives to do really, really badly. After that the Rump that is left of the Tories can either be infiltrated or collapse, again not bother which, just as long as we get proper right wing party that wants to roll back almost everything since the Blair years and introduce socially conservative values into the education system.
Also what could Labour do with a majority of 250 that they couldn’t do with a majority of 150? Nothing. It would make no difference except in one and one thing only. In a democracy a governing party needs an effective opposition to look legitimate.
If Labour won every single seat on a smaller vote share than Corbyn got in 2017 it wouldn’t give them any more power than Blair had, it would just make them look illegitimate. If they are going to win big anyway I’m all for it.
VoteOutToHelpOut · 04/07/2024 19:59
If you are serious you will never get your wish. In five year's time I bet all the far right parties in Europe will have lost support as people wake up to what they really are. Same in the UK. Reform UK PLC will go the way of all the far right parties here. Into oblivion.
ETA: let's see what happens on July 7, shall we?
Rsfk35 · 04/07/2024 19:07
Well that’s the other reason I voted reform. I want the Tories gone, I think there is only space under our electoral system for two large parties and naturally that would be a party of the liberal centre left and the socially conservative right.
problem is I don’t believe the Tories are socially conservative or right wing and they have preserved most of what the previous labour government did instead of trying to undo everything Labour did since 1997 and putting socially conservative values into the education system which I think any real right wing party would and should do.
but with only space for two big parties a proper right wing party can’t emerge as a possible party of government whilst the Tories remain where they are effectively blocking such a party. So the first thing that needs to happen is for the Tories to lose almost all their seats to create that space for a proper right wing party to occupy. I’m very heartened by the election results in France. Real change can happen, it can happen here too because about half the population are fairly right wing. But it can only happen if the Tories are wiped out at the ballot box first. So in this election I’m not really bothered who people vote for as long as it is not Tory and I’m even greatful to all the labour voters too much as I’m amused by it all 🙂
IwantToRetire · 04/07/2024 18:51
I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but in fact (if you believe the media) a lot of people who want to "punish" the Tories are voting Reform because it means fewer Tories. ie a negative vote.
And again according to the media, the largest group of undecided voters are older women who have formely been Tory voters.
So in fact like many voting Labour this time, it isnt a positive choice it is an anti Tory vote.
peebles32 · 04/07/2024 18:41
I live in a predominantly Tory area and I am amazed how many people are voting Reform. The whole thing is a mess.
TripBalzac ·
04/07/2024 20:43
Indianajet · 04/07/2024 20:38
I find it hard to believe the OP is real. If Farage ever became Prime Minister I would start a revolution myself!
MalcolmTuckersSwearBox ·
04/07/2024 20:49
MalcolmTuckersSwearBox · 04/07/2024 20:26
Amusingly, I've just seen a piece on the news about the party leaders going to the polls. Everyone else was at a polling station. Amusingly, Farage has already voted via postal ballot.
I say "amusingly" because one of his new constitutional policies is to remove postal voting rights for all but the 'elderly, disabled or those unable to leave their homes', because of concerns over voter fraud (screenshot from online manifesto). Not even he believes his own BS.
mumofoneand2dogs ·
04/07/2024 21:15
Neurodiversitydoctor · 04/07/2024 20:06
Can I ask why ? What type of reform you think Mr Farage will bring and how that will help a young mother like yourself ?
mumofoneand2dogs · 04/07/2024 19:47
im 29 and i voted reform uk! i stand with everything Nigel has said, and i no they probably wont win but heres hoping people open their eyes and see we need REFORM UK i was up ready took my daughter to school and went straight to the polling station.
mumofoneand2dogs ·
04/07/2024 21:25
RosaMoline · 04/07/2024 21:23
@mumofoneand2dogs
what have you to say about this?
Auvergne63 ·
04/07/2024 21:26
Rsfk35 · 04/07/2024 18:34
I see. I could ask for evidence but I’m guessing you must be one of those left wing people who call women’s right campaigners and anyone else they don’t agree with fascists? Do you really believe that though? Or is it just a handy label to smear people with? I can never actually tell if leftists really believe all the things they claim to believe.
Auvergne63 · 04/07/2024 18:19
I don't vote for fascists.
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cardibach ·
04/07/2024 21:29
Mum2jenny · 04/07/2024 21:05
In the pub tonight 75% of people had voted Reform. I wasn’t one of them. But the election results will be very interesting (and probably not in a good way!!)
Neurodiversitydoctor ·
04/07/2024 21:30
mumofoneand2dogs · 04/07/2024 21:15
can i ask who you voted for? and what that has to do with your reasons? i support him for the self employment tax reduction i support him for his nhs beliefs i also support him putting our own people before the immigrants. that what you wanted to hear?
Neurodiversitydoctor · 04/07/2024 20:06
Can I ask why ? What type of reform you think Mr Farage will bring and how that will help a young mother like yourself ?
mumofoneand2dogs · 04/07/2024 19:47
im 29 and i voted reform uk! i stand with everything Nigel has said, and i no they probably wont win but heres hoping people open their eyes and see we need REFORM UK i was up ready took my daughter to school and went straight to the polling station.
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