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LakeTiticaca · 05/07/2024 22:36

Grammarnut · 05/07/2024 18:00

BiL has told me today that the entire council of his town - in the North, Lancs - has resigned over the stance of Labour on Gaza, i.e. that Labour is supporting Israel. They stood as Independents. Why cannot we say who these councillors are?

Blackburn?

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CassieMaddox · 05/07/2024 22:37

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/07/2024 22:29

I mean, Boris Johnson unlawfully prorogued parliament and carried right on as PM.

He showed about as little respect to our democracy and constitution as it's possible to do.

(Doesn't make it right, obviously.)

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Zactly

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LiterallyOnFire · 05/07/2024 22:42

I'm glad some of this was done publicly, in front of the media. Harder to ignore now.

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JanesLittleGirl · 05/07/2024 23:01

CassieMaddox · 05/07/2024 22:36

No. Because otherwise we wouldn't have had to suffer Johnson or Farage.

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You misunderstand me. I think that rejecting the democratic process should disqualify you. It finally did for Johnson (although under a separate set of rules). I'm not aware of where Farage has acted against the democratic process but I would be delighted for any evidence which I would take great pleasure in unremittingly deploying against him.

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CassieMaddox · 05/07/2024 23:18

JanesLittleGirl · 05/07/2024 23:01

You misunderstand me. I think that rejecting the democratic process should disqualify you. It finally did for Johnson (although under a separate set of rules). I'm not aware of where Farage has acted against the democratic process but I would be delighted for any evidence which I would take great pleasure in unremittingly deploying against him.

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Maybe the fact his party is Reform Ltd rather than democratic is a clue

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Imnobody4 · 05/07/2024 23:25

This thread is about the intimidation and harassment of candidates and volunteers not Boris or Farage.
The behaviour of these people is a not business as usual. It's a step change in the subversion of democracy by threats and violence, aimed particularly at women.
Hence the The Elections Act 2022 introduced a new penalty rather than creating a new offence

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Imnobody4 · 05/07/2024 23:43

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/mp-shabana-mahmood-had-armed-police-guard-as-election-intimidation-became-assault-on-democracy/ar-BB1pscYy

She said she had faced threats against her, her family, and her supporters and was labelled an infidel and baby killer as anger over Labour's position on Gaza played out through the campaign. Speaking from the stage of the counting hall at Birmingham ICC she said the taunts, abusive slogans, harassment of activists had fuelled her through a campaign that she said was intended to stir up Muslim voters, she said.

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rumnraisins · 05/07/2024 23:50

Sausagenbacon · 05/07/2024 15:28

Yes, but we all know it's not just any men. But we're not supposed to say

Perhaps it’s time to have these conversations.

The problem is, Labour have been branding everyone concerned about this sort of thing a racist for years. So I’m not holding my breath.

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rumnraisins · 05/07/2024 23:53

mirax · 05/07/2024 15:40

Well when you, meaning the nice liberal lefty ladies on the right side of history, shied away from discussing the industrial scale rape gangs of Rochdale and other cities because it was "racist", you helped to shut up other women too. Why do you think Europe is turning to the extreme right?

Exactly

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caringcarer · 05/07/2024 23:57

Limer · 05/07/2024 15:35

This is appalling. Jess called the police many times - so why weren't these men arrested and charged? Then put on a curfew/banning order to prevent them doing it again? Let me guess - "cultural factors".

Sadly the law doesn't apply to all.

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SpidersAreShitheads · 05/07/2024 23:59

Yampy · 05/07/2024 15:56

The harassment of Jess Phillips is disgraceful but why is this now in the MSM & not all the other disgusting abuse women have been putting up with recently? What happened in Brighton recently at the LWS event, the harassment of KJK by the police, the call recorded of the police abusing a Party Of Women candidate yesterday. Why is all that acceptable but Jess’s isn’t?

This is being reported on because there’s an appetite to jump on Muslim men, but not the bearded bros on the left.

The men attacking KJK are seen by many (other men) as reasonable because who likes a gobby woman who’s demanding that her rights be respected, right?

On the flip side, there’s lots written about the terrible Muslims and the immigration plague…hence why Farage and his cronies inexplicably whipped up so much support.

Even on this thread, the immediate responses were to make snarky comments about the Muslim community en masse rather than be specific about the minority behaving so badly.

Jess shouldn’t have had to deal with the barracking. Like a PP, I fear that this kind of publicity is just going to stir up more anti-Muslim feeling which is grossly unfair to the rest of the Muslim community and will increase appetite for an intolerant further right wing government.

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rumnraisins · 06/07/2024 00:03

Imnobody4 · 05/07/2024 20:25

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1809296058947707326?t=3LpRavzT8XoYy6Lrrwvukg&s=19

Jess talking about the campaign. Interesting that people were told that God will judge them if they vote a certain way - which is a criminal offence.

This kind of intimidation is a real problem and has to be dealt with. We are a secular democracy and there can be no compromise on that principle. The same with back door blasphemy laws and other hate speech laws.

I fear we will have blasphemy laws soon.

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powershowerforanhour · 06/07/2024 00:13

"Why in the name of ever living fuck did she have to ask for them to be removed? Why weren’t they removed automatically when they first started their donkey braying??"

Spot on, the bouncers should have been on it and chucked them out in the street forthwith. This kind of intimidation and crap especially around a democratic process is shocking and completely intolerable. Good for her addressing it head on. She sounded angry, good on her!

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Needmoresleep · 06/07/2024 00:33

Archive link to a paywalled article in the Mail

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240705213606/www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13605257/SUE-REID-ugly-spectre-sectarianism-Jess-Phillips-worst-election-fake-recordings-tyres-slashed-children-abuse.html" rel="nofollow noindex" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20240705213606/www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13605257/SUE-REID-ugly-spectre-sectarianism-Jess-Phillips-worst-election-fake-recordings-tyres-slashed-children-abuse.html

To be fair the Mail has also been good at reporting the antics of transactivists. Reform/Farage are the Tory nightmare and cut deeply into previously large majorities, but Labour clearly face a similar challenge from Islamic sectarianism. This is the sort of story the Guardian should be covering. I wonder if they will.

SUE REID: Ugly spectre of sectarianism left Jess Phillips in tears

Outside polling stations in London 's Tower Hamlets, South Tottenham and Ilford, Palestinian flags were fluttering as a sharp reminder to the electorate which way to vote.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240705213606/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13605257/SUE-REID-ugly-spectre-sectarianism-Jess-Phillips-worst-election-fake-recordings-tyres-slashed-children-abuse.html

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Imnobody4 · 06/07/2024 00:39

SpidersAreShitheads · 05/07/2024 23:59

This is being reported on because there’s an appetite to jump on Muslim men, but not the bearded bros on the left.

The men attacking KJK are seen by many (other men) as reasonable because who likes a gobby woman who’s demanding that her rights be respected, right?

On the flip side, there’s lots written about the terrible Muslims and the immigration plague…hence why Farage and his cronies inexplicably whipped up so much support.

Even on this thread, the immediate responses were to make snarky comments about the Muslim community en masse rather than be specific about the minority behaving so badly.

Jess shouldn’t have had to deal with the barracking. Like a PP, I fear that this kind of publicity is just going to stir up more anti-Muslim feeling which is grossly unfair to the rest of the Muslim community and will increase appetite for an intolerant further right wing government.

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I think that's unfair. It is obvious to anyone that there's been a surge in Islamic extremism and that this is playing out here as well as other countries.

No one has said anything even remotely unacceptable on this thread

Even on this thread, the immediate responses were to make snarky comments about the Muslim community en masse rather than be specific about the minority behaving so badly.

Muslims are as diverse as any other group but if you think there isn't an increase in extremism you're in denial.

The way to ensure Reform thrives is to ignore the obvious.

If KS makes Islamaphobia a hate crime he's a fool.

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mirax · 06/07/2024 01:01

TheColourOutOfSpace · 05/07/2024 17:58

He's a white convert and seems to have been radicalised. Cassie is being disingenuous and trying to deflect by making it seem like he's some random white guy.

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My "you" is for the likes of Cassie. There was intimidation of other women like Rushanara Ali from all brown folks (dont worry, I have much darker skin and can say this) including one in a burka who was inciting her children to yell at Ali. The elderly jewish rabbi who was verbally abused and called a snake at a mosque - all nothing to see of course.

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Needmoresleep · 06/07/2024 01:34

i can recommend Kenneth Brannagh’s film “Belfast”. His childhood memories of growing up in a reasonably integrated, close knit, working class community until the troubles started, gangs and intimidation took over and communities were split on religious grounds. His parents, for the sake of their children, moved to England.

I/we don’t want secretarial politics. I/we don’t want intimidation, either within a community, or focussed on outsiders. I/we want to celebrate our differences but to live in a society unified by common goals. I/we want our politicians to be free to propose a thought out policy manifesto that we then vote on. Not have to flex their proposals to placate a baying mob.

What is starting to happen is dangerous. It needs to be acknowledged, and discussed, and steps need to be taken to prevent it damaging our democracy. Visiting Northern Ireland is odd. The names: Bogside, Shankill, Newry, Ian Paisley, Bobby Sands, the Maze from the TV News of my childhood. Apparently multi generational trauma is real. Black, brown, white or yellow. Catholic, Protestant, Muslim or Hindu. We must not let bad actors divide us.

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TheColourOutOfSpace · 06/07/2024 04:26

Thank you @illinivich and @Imnobody4 . Appreciate the information.

Absolutely shocking that people like this can get away with such behaviour, when it clearly impacts on the outcome of the democratic and electoral process. Hopefully there's enough evidence to properly charge and convict him and his supporters and they can be disbarred from standing in the next election.

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TheColourOutOfSpace · 06/07/2024 05:24

The fucking state of some the ignorant fools on this thread, full of self-loathing and desperate to show off how 'tolerant' they are, that they will justify and support anything, especially far-right Islamism (and far-right Islamist men in particular). Disgusting.

This man and his goons, and others like him, seem to have been targeting other political candidates, especially the female ones.

For those with poor comprehension skills, let's look at the reporting :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo

Shabana Mahmood said masked men had disrupted a community meeting, "terrifying" people in attendance.

There was a notable police presence during counts in Birmingham where both women were candidates, with the West Midlands force confirming it was investigating several complaints lodged in the run-up to polling day.

She then recounted how during the campaign a community activist went out to canvass with her, but was filmed by people in the street and had her car's tyres slashed.

"A young woman on her own delivering leaflets was filmed and screamed at by a much older man in the street," she said.

She thanked West Midlands Police for taking "constant" phone calls from her.

As police officers lined the stage as she spoke overnight, Ms Mahmood shared that physical threats had been reported to police, whom she thanked for going "above and beyond to ensure a safe and secure election".

Baroness Shaista Gohir, who leads the national charity Muslim Women's Network UK, told BBC Radio WM: “I’ve been really concerned observing what has been happening to the female candidates in areas where you have a significant Muslim electorate.

“Men have also experienced abuse, but it was much greater for women - they are seen as easy targets, they have been intimidated, harassed and that’s really concerning.

“It’s almost to try to put them off from politics, it’s also sending a message to women not to get into politics."

A spokesperson for West Midlands Police said a number of police officers were stationed at polling stations across Birmingham on Thursday to "offer reassurance and ensure public safety".

They said: "Our officers are aware of a number of incidents leading up to the election where people have reported criminal damage and harassment, and we are carrying out inquiries to identify those responsible."

Masked men. Slashed tyres. Screaming at women. Police outside polling stations and during the vote counts. All of which will have also intimidated constituents and caused some to not vote or vote differently out of fear and anxiety. It is a brazen attack on British democracy.

But..... But.... But.... Boris and Farage and Reform.... wahhhhh.... Bad men..... Oh fuck off. I don't recall these shenanigans from anyone in the Conservative or Reform parties during elections.

Jess Phillips is on the left with Shabana Mahmood on the right. Ms Phillips has long brown hair to her shoulders and has big hooped earrings, we can only see her face. Ms Mahmood has long black hair to her shoulders, is smiling and has red lipstick and...

Jess Phillips and Shabana Mahmood speak of election intimidation

"This election has been the worst election I have ever stood in," Labour's Jess Phillips tells the count.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo

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TheColourOutOfSpace · 06/07/2024 05:31

By the way, those quotes from the article are a mix from Jess Phillips and Shabana Mahmood. I haven't the time or patience to differentiate each of them in my post, but it's easy enough to understand if reading the BBC article itself. For any smart arses out there who will try to find other ways to deflect the conversation.

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Theideaofthem · 06/07/2024 05:38

CassieMaddox · 05/07/2024 17:48

I cannot believe posters watched that and immediately went on an anti-muslim rant. Where's the empathy for what JP has been through?

The problem here is the complete intolerance across the whole spectrum and willingness to throw round insults at the drop of a hat. It's exactly the same "angry man" mentality that gives us Reform.

Very few posters on this board have stuck up for JP - in fact they've said some awful things. But now she's been abused by men, who may or may not be Muslim, posters are using her to spout anti-Islam views, thus contributing to the cycle.

Jody Mcintyre was the other "Workers Party of Britain" candidate. He's white. WPB was set up by Galloway. He's white. Monty Panesar pulled out of the party after 7 days because "it didn't align with his values".

I agree with JP. What happened to her is a symptom of the toxicity in British politics and paradoxically shows why we need labour

Spot on.

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SallyLockheart · 06/07/2024 06:32

This is typical behaviour from trans right activists at Let women speak rallies and countless womens rights meeting and LGB events and Starmer described it as a toxic culture war on both sides and both sides need to meet in the middle, take the heat out of the debate and respect each other’s right to dignity

Why is anyone surprised? The police are politicised or afraid - Rotherham grooming gangs and Batley teacher …..

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Grammarnut · 06/07/2024 07:37

Yampy · 05/07/2024 16:25

It’s all absolute chaos, the grooming stuff was hushed up so what I said previously is bollocks. I just know all sections of society are being played off big time & women are treated like cannon fodder.

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Exactly. Divide and rule.

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Grammarnut · 06/07/2024 07:44

CassieMaddox · 05/07/2024 17:51

Yes, look, workers party of britain is definitely a Muslim problem #sarcasm
https://workerspartybritain.org/ten-point-programme/

It's fkin angry white men, of a Farage ilk but different politics.

Well, I'd back that. Though it would mean a revolution in society, throwing out neo-liberal capitalist values. I'd even buy creches, though not just for women to be able to go out to work - some support for mothers who choose to stay at home would be welcome; utterly fed-up with the constant mantra since the 80s that women who bring up there own children are not doing anything of worth.
However, none of that programme is incompatible with backing Hamas terrorists (though you'd think someone would clock that allowing women out of the house was not an Islamic ideal).

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Useruser1 · 06/07/2024 07:46

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