Indulge me, I'm feeling a bit doomy this morning (and very sad to be so, because a few years ago I'd have been doing cartwheels about this result).
We're better off than we were five years ago, right?
We have the Cass Report.
We have Forstater and various other legal decisions, with more pending.
There's a conversation around the harms of medicalising confused children.
Gender ideology is more to the 'controversial' end of the scale than 'right side of history'.
No-one will ever unsee Isla Bryson.
What else? I know there's a long road ahead, but what other foundations do we have to stand on as we prepare to fight ALL OVER AGAIN?
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teawamutu · 05/07/2024 08:11
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Signalbox ·
05/07/2024 14:43
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 11:43
She’s very much a Liz Truss type of Tory, small state with minimal spending, reduced workers, rights, privatise the NHS. Do you think she’d win an election purely because she’s GC ? Miriam Cates got kicked out and is as GC as they come.
Absolutelyfractious · 05/07/2024 11:36
I feel hopeful that women in this country won't drop this. Ever. Whoever may be in power.
I think Kemi Badenoch will become next leader of conservatives which is a big positive and you just can't argue against her. Much like Helen Joyce.
GiveMeSpanakopita ·
05/07/2024 14:44
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 14:39
😂. I’m not a supporter.
GiveMeSpanakopita · 05/07/2024 14:32
OK well if Reform do have a meteoric rise from 4 seats to 300 in one electoral cycle, then there'll need to be a good documentary film made about them and given your user name I reckon you've got the gig
Just make sure you put loads of Wagner on the soundtrack 😂
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 14:28
well looking at the voting stats and the relentless doom mongering from the get go, I wouldn’t be surprised.
GiveMeSpanakopita · 05/07/2024 14:26
We need them to deliver because the alternative is likely Farage and Reform UK.
I wasn't having a go at you personally, your comment just made me laugh out loud because it seemed to represent the way political debate in Britain has gone since about 2015 - someone accuses the other side of catastrophising and then promptly starts catastrophising 😂
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 14:24
I didn’t say the last comment ? 😂
GiveMeSpanakopita · 05/07/2024 14:21
in one breath 'all this catastrophising doesn't help!'
in the very next breath 'a new party in a FPTP system could realistically go from 4 seats to a majority in one electoral cycle!'
😂
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 14:12
We need them to deliver because the alternative is likely Farage and Reform UK.
This catastrophising before they’ve even done anything doesn’t help either. The right wing media will start on them soon enough in any case. They’ll have no honeymoon like Rishi or Johnson did.
GiveMeSpanakopita · 05/07/2024 14:01
That's always a reason to be cheerful!
I agree with @Ereshkigalangcleg btw, Labour have to deliver a LOT if they want a second term. Because in a lot of constituencies, the win is shallow and Reform came second in a worrying number. A very good political analyst calls it Labour's 'sandcastle victory'. If KS doesn't deliver, if he betrays us women, his majority will collapse.
eatfigs · 05/07/2024 12:46
If it cheers anyone up, LOJ is having a meltdown on Xitter. Poor lamb.
duc748 ·
05/07/2024 14:50
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 14:38
I live in the red wall, proper working class brexity left behind town. I don’t think the tories have a cat in hells chance of winning places like these back. They've had their chance. None of their 14 year promises about Levelling up have materialised.
We had 2 out of 3 Tory MPs until yesterday. Now we have 3 labour ones. If Labour don’t deliver they will turn to the likes of Reform.
Leniriefenstahl ·
05/07/2024 15:03
Signalbox · 05/07/2024 14:43
I think she could win an election but not because she is GC. I do think that will help her though because as Labour argue and tie themselves in knots with ID politics and batshit legislation she will look like the sane one.
She’s a person who holds actual Conservative values and is articulate enough to speak clearly to a wide audience and if she’s prepared to engage and listen to voters especially in relation to immigration I think Labour may find themselves in trouble quite quickly especially if they continue with their preachy moralistic tendencies towards voters who ask difficult questions.
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 11:43
She’s very much a Liz Truss type of Tory, small state with minimal spending, reduced workers, rights, privatise the NHS. Do you think she’d win an election purely because she’s GC ? Miriam Cates got kicked out and is as GC as they come.
Absolutelyfractious · 05/07/2024 11:36
I feel hopeful that women in this country won't drop this. Ever. Whoever may be in power.
I think Kemi Badenoch will become next leader of conservatives which is a big positive and you just can't argue against her. Much like Helen Joyce.
Signalbox ·
05/07/2024 16:15
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 15:03
Actual conservative values. I’m not sure what they are tbh.
And it’s not solely about immigration. If they think that, they’re wrong. The immigration issue up here wasn’t the real cause of its decline. It was austerity and an absolute focus on London and the south east to the detriment of the post industrial north and midlands. If the Conservatives cannot acknowledge that, they’re toast. Most folk I know up here are not economically right wing at all. They want decently funded public services, strong employment legislation, unions, state support if needed etc. I don’t think Kemi Badenoch is really in favour of those things.
Signalbox · 05/07/2024 14:43
I think she could win an election but not because she is GC. I do think that will help her though because as Labour argue and tie themselves in knots with ID politics and batshit legislation she will look like the sane one.
She’s a person who holds actual Conservative values and is articulate enough to speak clearly to a wide audience and if she’s prepared to engage and listen to voters especially in relation to immigration I think Labour may find themselves in trouble quite quickly especially if they continue with their preachy moralistic tendencies towards voters who ask difficult questions.
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 11:43
She’s very much a Liz Truss type of Tory, small state with minimal spending, reduced workers, rights, privatise the NHS. Do you think she’d win an election purely because she’s GC ? Miriam Cates got kicked out and is as GC as they come.
Absolutelyfractious · 05/07/2024 11:36
I feel hopeful that women in this country won't drop this. Ever. Whoever may be in power.
I think Kemi Badenoch will become next leader of conservatives which is a big positive and you just can't argue against her. Much like Helen Joyce.
Leniriefenstahl ·
05/07/2024 17:04
Signalbox · 05/07/2024 16:15
And it’s not solely about immigration.
No overall it’s not solely about immigration. But 13% of voters voted reform. That’s not an insignificant number of voters and as a percentage amounts to more votes than either the GP or the Lib Dems secured. In the meantime Labour’s share of the vote barely increased at all. It might be tempting to write these Reform voters off as “racists” or an insignificant minority (13% of the vote only translating to 4 seats) but I suspect this would be a mistake.
The Labour landslide creates the impression that the UK has made a (very small) lurch to the left but the numbers just don’t add up to that. I think this leaves Labour vulnerable even though they look strong.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens in the rest of Europe and the US as well.
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 15:03
Actual conservative values. I’m not sure what they are tbh.
And it’s not solely about immigration. If they think that, they’re wrong. The immigration issue up here wasn’t the real cause of its decline. It was austerity and an absolute focus on London and the south east to the detriment of the post industrial north and midlands. If the Conservatives cannot acknowledge that, they’re toast. Most folk I know up here are not economically right wing at all. They want decently funded public services, strong employment legislation, unions, state support if needed etc. I don’t think Kemi Badenoch is really in favour of those things.
Signalbox · 05/07/2024 14:43
I think she could win an election but not because she is GC. I do think that will help her though because as Labour argue and tie themselves in knots with ID politics and batshit legislation she will look like the sane one.
She’s a person who holds actual Conservative values and is articulate enough to speak clearly to a wide audience and if she’s prepared to engage and listen to voters especially in relation to immigration I think Labour may find themselves in trouble quite quickly especially if they continue with their preachy moralistic tendencies towards voters who ask difficult questions.
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 11:43
She’s very much a Liz Truss type of Tory, small state with minimal spending, reduced workers, rights, privatise the NHS. Do you think she’d win an election purely because she’s GC ? Miriam Cates got kicked out and is as GC as they come.
Absolutelyfractious · 05/07/2024 11:36
I feel hopeful that women in this country won't drop this. Ever. Whoever may be in power.
I think Kemi Badenoch will become next leader of conservatives which is a big positive and you just can't argue against her. Much like Helen Joyce.
Signalbox ·
05/07/2024 17:27
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 17:04
I’m not writing anyone off as a racist. There are issues with legal immigration. There are issues with UK businesses failing to train British workers and happily importing skilled workers from the other side of the world. We’ve got many intelligent young people, graduates who cannot find employment or are in unskilled jobs which is a massive waste. The EU prevents companies from employing non EU migrants unless there’s absolutely no one else available in the EU. Why haven’t we implemented similar ?
Signalbox · 05/07/2024 16:15
And it’s not solely about immigration.
No overall it’s not solely about immigration. But 13% of voters voted reform. That’s not an insignificant number of voters and as a percentage amounts to more votes than either the GP or the Lib Dems secured. In the meantime Labour’s share of the vote barely increased at all. It might be tempting to write these Reform voters off as “racists” or an insignificant minority (13% of the vote only translating to 4 seats) but I suspect this would be a mistake.
The Labour landslide creates the impression that the UK has made a (very small) lurch to the left but the numbers just don’t add up to that. I think this leaves Labour vulnerable even though they look strong.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens in the rest of Europe and the US as well.
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 15:03
Actual conservative values. I’m not sure what they are tbh.
And it’s not solely about immigration. If they think that, they’re wrong. The immigration issue up here wasn’t the real cause of its decline. It was austerity and an absolute focus on London and the south east to the detriment of the post industrial north and midlands. If the Conservatives cannot acknowledge that, they’re toast. Most folk I know up here are not economically right wing at all. They want decently funded public services, strong employment legislation, unions, state support if needed etc. I don’t think Kemi Badenoch is really in favour of those things.
Signalbox · 05/07/2024 14:43
I think she could win an election but not because she is GC. I do think that will help her though because as Labour argue and tie themselves in knots with ID politics and batshit legislation she will look like the sane one.
She’s a person who holds actual Conservative values and is articulate enough to speak clearly to a wide audience and if she’s prepared to engage and listen to voters especially in relation to immigration I think Labour may find themselves in trouble quite quickly especially if they continue with their preachy moralistic tendencies towards voters who ask difficult questions.
Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 11:43
She’s very much a Liz Truss type of Tory, small state with minimal spending, reduced workers, rights, privatise the NHS. Do you think she’d win an election purely because she’s GC ? Miriam Cates got kicked out and is as GC as they come.
Absolutelyfractious · 05/07/2024 11:36
I feel hopeful that women in this country won't drop this. Ever. Whoever may be in power.
I think Kemi Badenoch will become next leader of conservatives which is a big positive and you just can't argue against her. Much like Helen Joyce.
duc748 ·
05/07/2024 17:29
ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 05/07/2024 17:22
If Labour have any sense
They just made Lammysaurus Foreign Secretary. So there's that.
teawamutu ·
05/07/2024 20:52
BlackForestCake · 05/07/2024 20:41
Appalonia is right. The "landslide" masks a huge lurch to the right in the way people actually voted. The increase in the Labour vote, Sir John Curtice said earlier, is entirely accounted for by them winning back all those seats in Scotland.
It is an absolute freak result.
If we had PR right now, we'd look a lot like France or Germany with a large far right bloc in parliament.
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RedToothBrush ·
05/07/2024 22:48
SnowFrogJelly · 05/07/2024 15:53
Looks like a landslide from where I'm standing
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