New report says she was trustee at a church while gay conversion therapy was happening. The kind of conversion therapy that involves exorcism of demons.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngprp5xdvo
As a director and trustee at the charity behind the church, external from September 2016 to September 2018, Mrs Cates, had safeguarding responsibilities for those who attended
Thought this might interest some posters on here. Not sure I would trust her with safeguarding after this, if indeed she retains her seat.
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CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 23:54
Miriam Cates: Tory candidate was trustee of church that ‘endorsed’ conversion therapy
A report finds St Thomas Philadelphia church in Sheffield had "supported" conversion therapy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ngprp5xdvo
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CassieMaddox ·
02/07/2024 20:49
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 20:27
This is a rerun of the attacks on Kate Forbes whilst ignoring the misogynistic beliefs of Humza Yousef. An attack on Christians.
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Sloejelly ·
02/07/2024 20:58
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 20:49
Did Humza Yousaf have a job where he was responsible for safeguarding and failed to do it?
Did Kate Forbes?
Otherwise that's not equivalent
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 20:27
This is a rerun of the attacks on Kate Forbes whilst ignoring the misogynistic beliefs of Humza Yousef. An attack on Christians.
BackToLurk ·
02/07/2024 20:58
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 18:19
The transgender conversion therapy ban is nothing to do with this. Except that if Miriam Cates thinks Christian homosexual conversion practices are necessary, then there is an added incentive for her to vote against the conversion therapy bill (using GC concerns as a figleaf for homophobia).
You are right that there is nothing in the report to prove she knew about it and condoned it. But it is clear she should have done given the period they are talking about and her role. So either she condoned it or she's incompetent at safeguarding. Neither are particularly good.
I don't think you would be dismissing this if this was an equivalent story about organisations encouraging transition.
The only thing her views/activism on abortion have to do with it are indicating she's not a friend of women. As if she was, she'd support women's bodily autonomy regardless of her own beliefs.
FOJN · 02/07/2024 18:12
CassieMaddox
One person made a formal complaint, in 2019, about being subjected to conversion therapy practices. The complaint was upheld after the CofE instructed Barnardo's to carry out a full independent investigation. Another person reports being given a book which talked about "deliverance from homosexuality".
Miriam Cates left the Church in 2018 and nowhere in the BBC report does it say she was aware of the practices reported.
She is clear about her opposition of gay conversion therapy. As someone who claims to be GC you must know why many of us were concerned about the conversion therapy ban. Gender questioning minors who are supported through puberty but do not receive "gender affirming care" and many of the detransitioners are same sex attracted.
A poorly thought out conversion therapy bill which included trans people could easily have been a charter for gay conversion therapy. No one agrees with conversion therapy but the law needed to be very specific about what qualified as conversion therapy for gender questioning minors to makes sure that talking therapy was not criminalised.
I'm not sure what her views on abortion have to do with conversion therapy.
Sloejelly ·
02/07/2024 21:00
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 20:47
The thread is about the fact she didn't manage safeguarding when it was her responsibility as trustee of a church.
It's relevant because she's an MP that talks a lot about safeguarding.
It's not the same as "promoting WPATH and Stonewall".
And stop being anti-Muslim. Completely unnecessary.
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 20:24
I agree, where the mention of this on the BBC, let alone the condemnation of MPs who promoted WPATH or Stonewall?
It is also notable that once again a Christian MP is being targeted, yet nothing is said of Muslim MPs or candidates. Look at all those MP candidates promoting Hamas in Palestine despite the treatment of LGBTQ+ there. Where is the LBGTQ+ safeguarding there?
Imnobody4 · 02/07/2024 19:35
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5109200-wpath-again-full-document-disclosure-via-legal-challenge
Outrage and condemnation is an appropriate response to this.
CassieMaddox ·
02/07/2024 21:00
BackToLurk · 02/07/2024 20:58
She doesn't think "Christian homosexual conversion practices are necessary" She's made that clear.
And the safeguarding officer is Mike Rutter. While safeguarding is everyone's responsibility, she wasn't the lead on this. (and god knows I've no particular fondness for the overly religious)
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 18:19
The transgender conversion therapy ban is nothing to do with this. Except that if Miriam Cates thinks Christian homosexual conversion practices are necessary, then there is an added incentive for her to vote against the conversion therapy bill (using GC concerns as a figleaf for homophobia).
You are right that there is nothing in the report to prove she knew about it and condoned it. But it is clear she should have done given the period they are talking about and her role. So either she condoned it or she's incompetent at safeguarding. Neither are particularly good.
I don't think you would be dismissing this if this was an equivalent story about organisations encouraging transition.
The only thing her views/activism on abortion have to do with it are indicating she's not a friend of women. As if she was, she'd support women's bodily autonomy regardless of her own beliefs.
FOJN · 02/07/2024 18:12
CassieMaddox
One person made a formal complaint, in 2019, about being subjected to conversion therapy practices. The complaint was upheld after the CofE instructed Barnardo's to carry out a full independent investigation. Another person reports being given a book which talked about "deliverance from homosexuality".
Miriam Cates left the Church in 2018 and nowhere in the BBC report does it say she was aware of the practices reported.
She is clear about her opposition of gay conversion therapy. As someone who claims to be GC you must know why many of us were concerned about the conversion therapy ban. Gender questioning minors who are supported through puberty but do not receive "gender affirming care" and many of the detransitioners are same sex attracted.
A poorly thought out conversion therapy bill which included trans people could easily have been a charter for gay conversion therapy. No one agrees with conversion therapy but the law needed to be very specific about what qualified as conversion therapy for gender questioning minors to makes sure that talking therapy was not criminalised.
I'm not sure what her views on abortion have to do with conversion therapy.
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CassieMaddox ·
02/07/2024 21:05
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 21:00
No, this is an attack on her because she is a Christian and you calling me anti-Muslim for holding them to the same standard makes it transparent.
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 20:47
The thread is about the fact she didn't manage safeguarding when it was her responsibility as trustee of a church.
It's relevant because she's an MP that talks a lot about safeguarding.
It's not the same as "promoting WPATH and Stonewall".
And stop being anti-Muslim. Completely unnecessary.
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 20:24
I agree, where the mention of this on the BBC, let alone the condemnation of MPs who promoted WPATH or Stonewall?
It is also notable that once again a Christian MP is being targeted, yet nothing is said of Muslim MPs or candidates. Look at all those MP candidates promoting Hamas in Palestine despite the treatment of LGBTQ+ there. Where is the LBGTQ+ safeguarding there?
Imnobody4 · 02/07/2024 19:35
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5109200-wpath-again-full-document-disclosure-via-legal-challenge
Outrage and condemnation is an appropriate response to this.
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CassieMaddox ·
02/07/2024 21:06
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 20:58
He was FM, of course he was responsible for safeguarding and failed.
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 20:49
Did Humza Yousaf have a job where he was responsible for safeguarding and failed to do it?
Did Kate Forbes?
Otherwise that's not equivalent
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 20:27
This is a rerun of the attacks on Kate Forbes whilst ignoring the misogynistic beliefs of Humza Yousef. An attack on Christians.
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Sloejelly ·
02/07/2024 21:09
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 21:05
Really. I have no problem with Christians. I have a problem with homophobic Christians, those who campaign to remove womens bodily authority and those who think women should be at home having babies. Especially if they position themselves as a champion of women. Because I'm a feminist.
You can assert "a Muslim wouldn't be treated this way" but you actually have no evidence of that, because there is no equivalent. So that's your own fear and prejudice showing I think. As well as probably a bit of an issue admitting there is a problem here.
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 21:00
No, this is an attack on her because she is a Christian and you calling me anti-Muslim for holding them to the same standard makes it transparent.
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 20:47
The thread is about the fact she didn't manage safeguarding when it was her responsibility as trustee of a church.
It's relevant because she's an MP that talks a lot about safeguarding.
It's not the same as "promoting WPATH and Stonewall".
And stop being anti-Muslim. Completely unnecessary.
Sloejelly · 02/07/2024 20:24
I agree, where the mention of this on the BBC, let alone the condemnation of MPs who promoted WPATH or Stonewall?
It is also notable that once again a Christian MP is being targeted, yet nothing is said of Muslim MPs or candidates. Look at all those MP candidates promoting Hamas in Palestine despite the treatment of LGBTQ+ there. Where is the LBGTQ+ safeguarding there?
Imnobody4 · 02/07/2024 19:35
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5109200-wpath-again-full-document-disclosure-via-legal-challenge
Outrage and condemnation is an appropriate response to this.
BackToLurk ·
02/07/2024 21:15
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 21:00
I don't always believe what people say when it looks like they are in the wrong. The fact she hasn't condemned it and "can't recall" the event she went on makes me suspicious.
BackToLurk · 02/07/2024 20:58
She doesn't think "Christian homosexual conversion practices are necessary" She's made that clear.
And the safeguarding officer is Mike Rutter. While safeguarding is everyone's responsibility, she wasn't the lead on this. (and god knows I've no particular fondness for the overly religious)
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 18:19
The transgender conversion therapy ban is nothing to do with this. Except that if Miriam Cates thinks Christian homosexual conversion practices are necessary, then there is an added incentive for her to vote against the conversion therapy bill (using GC concerns as a figleaf for homophobia).
You are right that there is nothing in the report to prove she knew about it and condoned it. But it is clear she should have done given the period they are talking about and her role. So either she condoned it or she's incompetent at safeguarding. Neither are particularly good.
I don't think you would be dismissing this if this was an equivalent story about organisations encouraging transition.
The only thing her views/activism on abortion have to do with it are indicating she's not a friend of women. As if she was, she'd support women's bodily autonomy regardless of her own beliefs.
FOJN · 02/07/2024 18:12
CassieMaddox
One person made a formal complaint, in 2019, about being subjected to conversion therapy practices. The complaint was upheld after the CofE instructed Barnardo's to carry out a full independent investigation. Another person reports being given a book which talked about "deliverance from homosexuality".
Miriam Cates left the Church in 2018 and nowhere in the BBC report does it say she was aware of the practices reported.
She is clear about her opposition of gay conversion therapy. As someone who claims to be GC you must know why many of us were concerned about the conversion therapy ban. Gender questioning minors who are supported through puberty but do not receive "gender affirming care" and many of the detransitioners are same sex attracted.
A poorly thought out conversion therapy bill which included trans people could easily have been a charter for gay conversion therapy. No one agrees with conversion therapy but the law needed to be very specific about what qualified as conversion therapy for gender questioning minors to makes sure that talking therapy was not criminalised.
I'm not sure what her views on abortion have to do with conversion therapy.
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https://x.com/miriam_cates/status/1808053553161740685
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02/07/2024 22:12
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CassieMaddox ·
02/07/2024 22:24
MalagaNights · 02/07/2024 21:40
It's perfectly legal to hold the belief that homosexuality is a sin.
It's perfectly legal to voluntarily engage in prayer around that.
It's perfectly legal to teach your children homosexuality is wrong.
Lots of people may think that will traumatise gay children. Maybe. But there are lots of ways of bringing up children that are legal but others disapprove of.
Like gender neutral crap for instance. Not illegal.
Or being a vegan.
Or in a polyamorous pod.
Or sending them to boarding school.
Not illegal.
I think some people confuse conversion therapy with never being able to say homosexuality is wrong.
It's partly why the ban is such a bad idea: where do we draw a line between free speech and association, or a harmful practice?
And anyway if anyone is really worried about religious communities being anti gay it's really not the Christians who are the biggest problems here...
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CassieMaddox ·
02/07/2024 22:27
BackToLurk · 02/07/2024 21:15
The fact she hasn't condemned it
Except she has
"I have never been involved with or aware of such ‘therapy’ taking place and strongly condemn such practices."
https://x.com/miriam_cates/status/1808053553161740685
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 21:00
I don't always believe what people say when it looks like they are in the wrong. The fact she hasn't condemned it and "can't recall" the event she went on makes me suspicious.
BackToLurk · 02/07/2024 20:58
She doesn't think "Christian homosexual conversion practices are necessary" She's made that clear.
And the safeguarding officer is Mike Rutter. While safeguarding is everyone's responsibility, she wasn't the lead on this. (and god knows I've no particular fondness for the overly religious)
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 18:19
The transgender conversion therapy ban is nothing to do with this. Except that if Miriam Cates thinks Christian homosexual conversion practices are necessary, then there is an added incentive for her to vote against the conversion therapy bill (using GC concerns as a figleaf for homophobia).
You are right that there is nothing in the report to prove she knew about it and condoned it. But it is clear she should have done given the period they are talking about and her role. So either she condoned it or she's incompetent at safeguarding. Neither are particularly good.
I don't think you would be dismissing this if this was an equivalent story about organisations encouraging transition.
The only thing her views/activism on abortion have to do with it are indicating she's not a friend of women. As if she was, she'd support women's bodily autonomy regardless of her own beliefs.
FOJN · 02/07/2024 18:12
CassieMaddox
One person made a formal complaint, in 2019, about being subjected to conversion therapy practices. The complaint was upheld after the CofE instructed Barnardo's to carry out a full independent investigation. Another person reports being given a book which talked about "deliverance from homosexuality".
Miriam Cates left the Church in 2018 and nowhere in the BBC report does it say she was aware of the practices reported.
She is clear about her opposition of gay conversion therapy. As someone who claims to be GC you must know why many of us were concerned about the conversion therapy ban. Gender questioning minors who are supported through puberty but do not receive "gender affirming care" and many of the detransitioners are same sex attracted.
A poorly thought out conversion therapy bill which included trans people could easily have been a charter for gay conversion therapy. No one agrees with conversion therapy but the law needed to be very specific about what qualified as conversion therapy for gender questioning minors to makes sure that talking therapy was not criminalised.
I'm not sure what her views on abortion have to do with conversion therapy.
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Imnobody4 ·
02/07/2024 22:39
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 22:25
Plus socially ostracised someone from their community is psychologically harmful so I consider banning him from the church to be pretty extreme too.
CassieMaddox ·
02/07/2024 22:45
Imnobody4 · 02/07/2024 22:39
What, like has happened to numerous gender critical women, particularly those banned from their political tribe, like me.
CassieMaddox · 02/07/2024 22:25
Plus socially ostracised someone from their community is psychologically harmful so I consider banning him from the church to be pretty extreme too.
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Thelnebriati · 02/07/2024 22:41
The Labour Party and the Greens have both kicked GC women out and told us we aren't welcome any more. It never stopped them taking our money and labour in the past. I wonder what changed?
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