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iPhone 15 Pro Why do Apple keep making products bigger?
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and looks TERRIBLE
phones stay in my bag / inner jacket pocket that's specifically intended to house phone sized objects without ruining the lines
We can easily solve the issue by bringing back Hammer pants #Ucanttouchthis
I'm guessing you're a man since you call them "trousers". Do you put your phone in your front or back pocket? Since you got pickpocketed, I'm assuming back pocket.
Try putting your phone in your front pocket. Very difficult for all but the most elite pickpockets to get a phone out of your front pocket. Unless they're targeting you specifically, they'll move onto the easy target.
I might agree but since Apple only makes larger and larger phones, that's what people are forced to buy.
Every phone manufacturer sees that way more people buy the larger phones over the smaller ones.
Apple tried to sell the iPhone 12/13 minis and they couldn't sell enough of them to justify continuing. There just aren't enough people that want the smaller iPhones. With the SE, the rationalization was that people wanted the latest phone, only smaller. So they made the mini that's basically the same as the regular iPhone and they still didn't sell.
Apple didn't offer an opportunity for a third strike in trying an iPhone Pro mini as that would likely be a disaster too.
As people age they will appreciate a medium size phone such as the iphone 15/Pro. Eventually your eyes will thank you for a display that size. I would have loved a 13 mini, so nice to hold and carry around but sadly the screen was too small the comfortably see what was on it, nor the keyboard big enough to type on it.
Age will catch up to us all if we live long enough.
Age will catch up to us all if we live long enough.
You don't need to be a senior to appreciate a larger display. If you visit a high school or university in a mid or high-income area, everyone is using a Pro Max. They all want the big display because of the high amount of screen time.
Pocketability is irrelevant - everyone carries a phone now. (Unless it's a graphing calculator, that's just weird.)
As the other poster said, when you're now more used than ever to doing *everything* on the phone regardless of whether that is a good idea or not, then it's usually the case that when someone picks up a larger phone they have like a 'scales falling from eyes' moment.
Even I as a love of mini phones can't use the phones I used to love because making a 2020's phone usefully information-dense just requires more real estate than the 2010's equivalent were capable of utilising. But I do draw the lines at huge-ass Max's and similar.
Because Americans in general along with the rest of the world is getting bigger Fatter and unhealthier than ever before . Apple has got to keep up with the size increase
No they didn’t the iPhone 12 mini and 13 mini were the same as the 12 and 13 just smaller.
I think we can all agree for sure most people prefer modern iPhone sizes over the smaller sizes of the past. I don’t think I even need to argue that, right? We all just agree?
There is an interesting discussion/debate as to why people like bigger phones, but also a recurring debate as to the exact size of the market for big/small phones. I don’t see any grounds for the latter debate since it’s all about data, and the data we are privy to is so scientifically incomplete. It’s only enough to make the very obvious vague conclusion that the market for small phones is small enough that it doesn’t make enough business sense for most phone manufacturers for the time being (minus small outliers like Lightphone). Anyone who wants to press that to a further conclusion, or deny it, has to make logical leaps.
There also seems to be disagreement as to which factors play a part in the reason for current phone sizes. Some seem to think it’s 100% market demand and nothing else. I think we can all agree market demand has to play the largest part. But in this complex world, hardly anything is ever 100%. It stands to reason that companies also probably benefit from larger phones since 1) they probably want their devices to be a figuratively large part of their customers’ lives, and having more immersive large devices to deliver content can help toward that (Apple may believe less in this position than other companies though), and 2) slightly increasing size is a straightforward and sometimes easy/inexpensive way to incrementally add value, both perceived and actual. “Perceived value” meaning people tend to automatically equate bigger to better, whether or not bigger actually adds functional value to them and no matter how little cost it adds to the production of the product—so consumers are willing to “upgrade” to the new “better” phone, and more willing to pay significantly more for it than for smaller devices, which can result in higher profit. And “actual value” meaning the bigger size can also allow for more hardware features that add significant functional value and add significant cost to producing the product. In this case, there might not be as much profit margin increase, but it still gets people to upgrade to the new better phone.
But again, exactly how much each of these play a role is unknown. It could play a significant part (but still less than market demand we should all agree), or it could be completely insignificant compared to market demand. Unless we get some insider knowledge, one is only asserting their guess.
These are also reasons why I don’t think the big phones will ever shrink. Small phones may get introduced again at some point alongside big phones, or all phones may get replaced with the next big thing, but unless something drastically changes, it seems it’s a one way street. Though it may hit a dead end.
There is an interesting discussion/debate as to why people like bigger phones, but also a recurring debate as to the exact size of the market for big/small phones. I don’t see any grounds for the latter debate since it’s all about data, and the data we are privy to is so scientifically incomplete. It’s only enough to make the very obvious vague conclusion that the market for small phones is small enough that it doesn’t make enough business sense for most phone manufacturers for the time being (minus small outliers like Lightphone). Anyone who wants to press that to a further conclusion, or deny it, has to make logical leaps.
There also seems to be disagreement as to which factors play a part in the reason for current phone sizes. Some seem to think it’s 100% market demand and nothing else. I think we can all agree market demand has to play the largest part. But in this complex world, hardly anything is ever 100%. It stands to reason that companies also probably benefit from larger phones since 1) they probably want their devices to be a figuratively large part of their customers’ lives, and having more immersive large devices to deliver content can help toward that (Apple may believe less in this position than other companies though), and 2) slightly increasing size is a straightforward and sometimes easy/inexpensive way to incrementally add value, both perceived and actual. “Perceived value” meaning people tend to automatically equate bigger to better, whether or not bigger actually adds functional value to them and no matter how little cost it adds to the production of the product—so consumers are willing to “upgrade” to the new “better” phone, and more willing to pay significantly more for it than for smaller devices, which can result in higher profit. And “actual value” meaning the bigger size can also allow for more hardware features that add significant functional value and add significant cost to producing the product. In this case, there might not be as much profit margin increase, but it still gets people to upgrade to the new better phone.
But again, exactly how much each of these play a role is unknown. It could play a significant part (but still less than market demand we should all agree), or it could be completely insignificant compared to market demand. Unless we get some insider knowledge, one is only asserting their guess.
These are also reasons why I don’t think the big phones will ever shrink. Small phones may get introduced again at some point alongside big phones, or all phones may get replaced with the next big thing, but unless something drastically changes, it seems it’s a one way street. Though it may hit a dead end.
Sure they do, because it’s “the latest and the greatest” and they all hook’d up to their screens.
The 15 PM is actually smaller overall than the 14PM due to the smaller bezels. So not entirely accurate thread title 😂
It's just a depressing reflection of society - people seem to be addicted to gawping at their phones every spare moment of the day.
You even see groups of friends sitting around choosing to update their social media instead of actually socialising. Sad.
So yeah instead of Apple devising clever and innovative ways to integrate technology into our lives, they just give people 'what they want' by giving them 'more'.
Still there's a chunk of society that don't want to be dictated to by this brainless crap, and in this case a large screen is an inconvenient waste of space and weight.
A 4" iphone is still the perfect way to do all the actually useful stuff on the move that we couldn't do 20 years ago.
For everything else there's an ipad or laptop.
So yeah let's have a small phone option.
What's weird though is when you see fanboys on this forum and others who are happy carrying these massive phablets around, while trying to tell the rest that they're wrong for wanting anything smaller.
You even see groups of friends sitting around choosing to update their social media instead of actually socialising. Sad.
So yeah instead of Apple devising clever and innovative ways to integrate technology into our lives, they just give people 'what they want' by giving them 'more'.
Still there's a chunk of society that don't want to be dictated to by this brainless crap, and in this case a large screen is an inconvenient waste of space and weight.
A 4" iphone is still the perfect way to do all the actually useful stuff on the move that we couldn't do 20 years ago.
For everything else there's an ipad or laptop.
So yeah let's have a small phone option.
What's weird though is when you see fanboys on this forum and others who are happy carrying these massive phablets around, while trying to tell the rest that they're wrong for wanting anything smaller.
I bought an Ultra2, activated cellular and now I leave my phone at home (or in the car) most of the time.
Just because there is no Pro Mini.
I‘m not the person who does everything on the phone, I‘m „old“, I prefer to do most of the stuff on my Laptop anyway. The phone/watch is only a tool to stay connected and to receive important information.
And I hate to carry around a lot of stuff.
But count me in, I‘m dreaming of a Pro Mini.
Just because there is no Pro Mini.
I‘m not the person who does everything on the phone, I‘m „old“, I prefer to do most of the stuff on my Laptop anyway. The phone/watch is only a tool to stay connected and to receive important information.
And I hate to carry around a lot of stuff.
But count me in, I‘m dreaming of a Pro Mini.
They should have skipped at year or two before another mini. It was a mistake selling one after the other when there was barely any changes.
Had to try the Pro Max mostly for battery life, but after 1.5 years with it, I know that it is not worth the added bulk for me. I don’t count on anything like the mini coming out again, but I know the smaller option will be the most appealing to me. I think the smallest choice will be the 6.1” SE version rumoured to be coming, and that it will be a take it or leave it minimum size, unfortunately. Apple is run by finance and product marketing and it is obvious the phablet market has spoken long enough, and all the wood behind the arrow is going there. In hindsight, wish I had just gone for a mini while it was still on the shelves. The 6.3” future 16 Pro is going to be the base “Pro” iPhone for a number of years. I’ve been using my 14PM caseless for over a year just to cope with the size and make my front pocket carry more manageable. I wonder how the rumoured 6.5” 17 “slim” or “ultra” iPhone will play into the equation. Obviously price wise, it will be above the cost and value quotient for a lot of people.
I happen to have both. The minis are in between the 5 series and the 6 series, but closer to the 6 series than 5 series.
The only Pro feature that's missing in the mini I want is the telephoto lens. I've always thought the ultra wide lens is useless since it doesn't have autofocus, and I rather have one lens than two with one I'm never going to use (if space is such a premium). Edit due to incorrect memory:
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What should've happened is discontinuing the SE series the moment they decided to release the mini series