just prompt the user.... 99% will choose google anyways
The 99% is probably not right
How do we know?
The mere fact they won't present the choice
Personally, I'd love to have a native Kagi integration, as that's what I use
just prompt the user.... 99% will choose google anyways
Google: we’re the best and we’ll pay to show it to youApple: We need our monopoly to make big bucks.
Google: We need Apple’s monopoly to make big buck
Google has 96%(iirc) of the search market. The people who choose a default don’t think the people who don’t are capable of it.The 99% is probably not right
How do we know?
The mere fact they won't present the choice
Personally, I'd love to have a native Kagi integration, as that's what I use
100% of the companies making products today need a monopoly on the products they make to make big bucks. Apple’s no different.Apple: We need our monopoly to make big bucks.
Your experience doesn’t match mine, Duck Duck Go has been fine for most searches and this is one of the first settings I change in a new browser.Honestly, Google has the best search engine hands down. I tried using Duck Duck Go for years for privacy reasons. I would fall back to Google.com when Duck Duck Go (Bing) would fail to produce good results. Eventually i just got tired of so frequently having to use Google.com instead of the Safari address bar for searching and switched back.
Competition is supposed to produce better products but somehow Google has managed to maintain the best search engine while holding a monopoly. I don’t see how giving lazy competitors like Bing a crutch is going to improve competition. Why would Microsoft invest more in Bing if they get a revenue increase by virtue of a ruling against Google?
I'd suggest it the first time you launch Safari or do a search, rather than at device set up.Here on this very forum we have people arguing that "it's too confusing" for users to be asked one time, at initial device setup, which browser they'd like as the default (in EU only so far)
So which is it?
Are people dumb as rocks and Apple has to decide everything for everyone?
or are they capable of making choices and handling a few preferences here and there?
I'm firmly in the camp of these things being little computers and people are more than capable of having some choices for how they would like to experience their devices.
I'd suggest it the first time you launch Safari or do a search, rather than at device set up.
I’m assuming dumb as rocks, because, if they weren’t, they’d change the default search engine to whatever they like. It’s not like it requires either a PhD or a pop up screen saying “make a choice”.Are people dumb as rocks and Apple has to decide everything for everyone?
or are they capable of making choices and handling a few preferences here and there?
I stand corrected, thanks.Spotlight doesn’t use Google. It used to use Bing but around 2015 or so they switched to a custom solution called AppleBot to crawl websites and return results for Siri and Spotlight. To verify I’ve tried comparing the results returned from both Spotlight and Google, and they don’t always match up.
The three best privacy search engines out there are two of what you mentioned. Kagi is a paid service.I use Kagi.
I agree about DuckDuckGo. I want to love it, but its results from Bing are often useless to me. It's my second choice though on privacy grounds.
Brave Search is OK in a pinch.
Google is last resort for me.
DuckDuckGo launched in 2008 with a focus on user privacy. The company said it does not track user’s searches, and it aims to block trackers across the web through its app and browser extensions. Because it doesn’t track and store individual user data, DuckDuckGo said its search results are not personalized and therefore avoid the “filter bubble” that can occur when search engines limit search results to those they think the user would like to see.
Brave Search is another option for privacy-minded users. The search engine does not collect a user’s personal information or search history. Brave Search can be accessed on any web browser, but Brave differentiates itself from the competition with its companion browser that blocks trackers from collecting users’ data across the web. While other alternative search engines often borrow search capabilities from bigger players, Brave Search claims it uses an independent search index. Brave Search also offers an AI feature that searches the web to provide users with quick answers to their queries.
sourceStartpage is another privacy-focused search engine that serves up search results from Google without storing users’ personal information, search data or IP addresses. As a result, users can search the web without worrying about price trackers, retargeted ads and third parties building personal data profiles. It goes a step further with its “anonymous view” feature, which allows users to visit websites anonymously, essentially acting like a VPN.
Which is precisely why we need government to step in, so people know how aggrieved they are by the products they're happy with.If they don’t care then there’s no injury and no problem.
Did you read the article? It's about the default search engine IN SAFARI! If someone, like the person you rudely replied to, uses Chrome or Edge or any other browser, this is not an issue for them. That's the point of that persons response.Who cares. This issue is about the default search engine, not default browser.
Except they are. I worked in mobile and tech with people for 7 years. Even I as a fairly knowledgeable person sometimes get overwhelmed with options and I actively follow tech.Lots of ways to do it for sure
I'm just not buying arguments that users are too "confused" to have some choices on browsers and search engines, among many other things, if they want it.
(not saying you said that at all)
Works for me.I remember a time when it felt like everything Google did was cool and exciting... but these days, they feel like someone trying way too hard to be one of the cool kids. 😬
They aren’t dumb. They simply are not informed.Are people dumb as rocks and Apple has to decide everything for everyone?
or are they capable of making choices and handling a few preferences here and there?
Google was never cool and exciting so much as they were the underdog against Microsoft and because android fan boys were so anti-apple, android became the champion against iPhones since at the time most ppl couldn’t afford to buy them full price outside of att since iPhones were considered luxury items at the time.I remember a time when it felt like everything Google did was cool and exciting... but these days, they feel like someone trying way too hard to be one of the cool kids. 😬
Bing translate, bing image search, and apple maps are miles better or on par with tootleWorks for me.
Google translate, image search, maps. All way above the others.
Precisely. People who care about the default search engine likely already know how to change it, and those that don't care probably don't want to be bugged.Except they are. I worked in mobile and tech with people for 7 years. Even I as a fairly knowledgeable person sometimes get overwhelmed with options and I actively follow tech.
It’s both why I laugh when android zealots try to say iOS is dumbed down or criticize apple for the “walled garden” and roll my eyes.
That’s the very reason many people prefer iOS. iOS is not dumbed down it’s just not overly complicated.
I remember a customer coming in confused because their galaxy had Samsung messages and gogolr
Messages. Chrome and Samsung browser. And they were confused as to why bookmarks or messages would show in one place but not the other or both.
Or having to explain what RCS is vs sms (notice how most apple users don’t differentiate iMessage vs texting because to us it is all texting but we differentiate based on the color so we know what KIND of texting it is). Go ask a random joe what RCS is and they likely won’t know.
Apples approach has always been better for consumers because it has created an entire ecosystem surrounding a device. Yes they are pushing you to use their services but on the flip side your phone works fine out the box.
Android setup is convuluted. God forbid you get a carrier Branded Device.
Now once you turn on the phone you have all these apps and stuff downloading and it’s a lot going on that yes the average joe can be overwhelmed by.
Yes the government has that big hurdle to overcome for starters, doesn't matter if you are an Apple OS, Windows, or Android user. Everyone has the capacity to use whatever search engine they prefer.The Government has the win their case first.
Microsoft also has had the highest market share the last thirty years on desktop….doesnt mean it is the best.whichever way you feel about this topic: Google search has a market share of 90+%