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Rob Bryson & Ruth Jones

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CaveMum · 14/06/2024 13:26

Just listened to the latest episode of Rob Brydon’s podcast where he interviews his long-term friend Ruth Jones.

I thought this exchange at the start was interesting - they know.

Ruth: “It's a lovely intro. Very, very nice. It always makes me interested when people describe me as an actor, because I think of myself as an actress.

Rob: I am being very politically correct.

Ruth: You are, but I always correct people's political correctness when it comes to describing me as an actress.

Rob: I'd rather say actress. I would naturally say actress.

Ruth: Thank you. And it's funny because sometimes I've been introduced or I've read an introduction to something I've been doing and they've called me an actor. I said, oh no, I'm an actress.

And they go, well, no, it's our policy to call you an actor. I go, I know, but I identify as an actress.

Rob: Once you decide to identify, won't be tied anybody who gets, I identify as five foot 10.

Why is that funny? That's what I'm identifying as. How tall am I, Ruth?

Ruth: Oh, maybe you are five foot 10. Are you?

Rob: No, I'm five foot seven. Maybe five foot six and a half now. But I'm identifying as five foot 10.

So I'll ask you again, how tall am I?

Ruth: You're five foot 10.

Rob: Thank you. We're too old for all this, aren't we?

Ruth: Oh, I don't understand it. Anyway, you can't even talk about not understanding anything, can you? You just have to go, I'm old.

I can't hear very well now. So just leave me out of the conversation. Thank you.”

From Brydon &: Ruth Jones, 13 Jun 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/brydon/id1687943454?i=1000658813656
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SiobhanSharpe · 30/06/2024 20:35

Buffypaws · 14/06/2024 13:33

There were some good ones back in the day. “Jewess” was my favourite.

That sounds dreadful. I also recall "poetess" and "authoress". Smacked of the gutsy little women trying to do manly things like write books, bless their hearts.
I don't feel sad that we have largely lost some of these terms. I take Ruth's point about "actress" but i think that for some women it had a lesser, slightly pejorative undertone as in "she's a model/actress" which when spoken aloud came over as 'she's a model slash actress.' Not so nice.

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quantumbutterfly · 30/06/2024 21:49

WickedSerious · 30/06/2024 20:24

There'd also be the problem of them wanking themselves into a coma.

😂

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Laidbackguy · 04/07/2024 22:13

Underthinker · 30/06/2024 08:32

What do you mean by this? I'm a man, I don't feel blamed by women for all their issues. (Or maybe I AM being blamed but my wife was right and I just never listen? )

I can only assume you’ve been living under a rock if you’re not aware or feminist gripe with “the patriarchy”.

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Laidbackguy · 04/07/2024 22:18

ErrolTheDragon · 30/06/2024 08:25

So it’s sexism when men win at making it to the upper tiers of management and being entrepreneurial and dimorphism when women don’t want to do it?

No, it's sexism when its roles which depend on brains and dimorphism when it's about brawn, to a first approximation - obviously.


Even if we take your argument that men are more suited to somethings than women. There’s no reason women shouldn’t be conscripted as truck drivers, medics and dozens of other roles that don’t need you to be physically strong to do.

Roles women often do occupy in wartime (and more - drone pilots, various navy positions....) and some countries do conscript women. I'm not privy the thought processes of the Ukrainian government. Of course some of the reason for not conscripting women is itself good old sexism...women who want to join the military often face many unnecessary barriers. Surely you realise this? And one of the basic reasons for 'protecting women and children' is longer term survival of your tribe. You're a short term thinker, from some of your other comments.

You think making it to the top of a FTSE 100 comment isn’t about brawn? Working 18 hours a day in an incredibly high stress combative environment.

Which barriers do you feel are unnecessary to joining the military? I feel more Schrödinger’s feminism incoming.

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Underthinker · 04/07/2024 22:41

Laidbackguy · 04/07/2024 22:13

I can only assume you’ve been living under a rock if you’re not aware or feminist gripe with “the patriarchy”.

Oh you're back! I'll have to try and remember what we were arguing about.
...
Ok youre saying feminists criticising the patriarchy = women blaming men for all their problems?
Perhaps but I always saw it more as women blaming a system that benefits men. But I'm probably the wrong person to debate feminism or the patriarchy with.

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ZeldaFighter · 05/07/2024 10:56

ErrolTheDragon · 30/06/2024 12:20

The really bad thing with ppe is when, in a predominantly female profession like nursing, some of it's still designed for the 'default male'.Confused

Yeah, undoing stopcocks etc which have been over tightened by a bloke can be a pain. Sometimes there are ways to (literally) leverage tools... my dd was amused when struggling with a tight bolt in one of her engineering practical classes to be handed the 'girls spanner'... just a spanner but longer.Grin

Ooh ooh, I know this one- the longer the lever, the greater force and the easier to apply it!

Am I a man now I've learnt some physics? 😉

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/07/2024 11:38

Laidbackguy · 04/07/2024 22:13

I can only assume you’ve been living under a rock if you’re not aware or feminist gripe with “the patriarchy”.

Ah I see our late night visitor is back with more thoughts from the wardrobe he’s presumably been attempting to get out of for the last few days, having accidentally shut himself in

I think he is neither safe to go out by himself nor to be left in alone, poor soul

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Laidbackguy · 19/07/2024 11:24

Underthinker · 04/07/2024 22:41

Oh you're back! I'll have to try and remember what we were arguing about.
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Ok youre saying feminists criticising the patriarchy = women blaming men for all their problems?
Perhaps but I always saw it more as women blaming a system that benefits men. But I'm probably the wrong person to debate feminism or the patriarchy with.

Evidence doesn't really back up your belief that the "system" unfairly benefits men when in fact it benefits a tiny proportion of ultra wealthy / successful men whilst doing the complete opposite to the vast majority.

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Underthinker · 19/07/2024 18:25

Laidbackguy · 19/07/2024 11:24

Evidence doesn't really back up your belief that the "system" unfairly benefits men when in fact it benefits a tiny proportion of ultra wealthy / successful men whilst doing the complete opposite to the vast majority.

Like I said, I'm not the person to debate feminism or the patriarchy with. I only joined the thread to dispute your statement about most men being tired of being blamed by women.

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Laidbackguy · 19/07/2024 20:16

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/07/2024 11:38

Ah I see our late night visitor is back with more thoughts from the wardrobe he’s presumably been attempting to get out of for the last few days, having accidentally shut himself in

I think he is neither safe to go out by himself nor to be left in alone, poor soul

Fairly standard lefty response, I'll just insult the person I disagree with as I don't really have a argument to make......

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/07/2024 21:36

you got out of the wardrobe! mazel tov! 💪

you see, if you try and try you can achieve things

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Laidbackguy · 20/07/2024 09:26

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/07/2024 21:36

you got out of the wardrobe! mazel tov! 💪

you see, if you try and try you can achieve things

Again, no other come back but an insult.

A good sign you're unable to construct anything better.

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Datun · 20/07/2024 09:38

lol. The old so you've got no argument line when women refuse to engage in your nonsense, doesn't work here.

Many of us have teens, you know.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/07/2024 10:17

Laidbackguy · 20/07/2024 09:26

Again, no other come back but an insult.

A good sign you're unable to construct anything better.

lovey, I tried talking to you. you weren't capable of saying anything sensible or interesting

now I'm just playing with my dinner

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Laidbackguy · 20/07/2024 13:23

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/07/2024 10:17

lovey, I tried talking to you. you weren't capable of saying anything sensible or interesting

now I'm just playing with my dinner

Again, back in with the insults, no actual argument.

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Omlettes · Yesterday 01:43

Laidbackguy · 20/07/2024 13:23

Again, back in with the insults, no actual argument.

Why on earth are you on a forum about feminism on Mumsnet?
Looking for easy pickings?

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Datun · Yesterday 02:03

Attention. From the mummies.

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Catsmere · Yesterday 02:55

OnTheRightSideOfGeography · 16/06/2024 11:40

I remember 'waitron' being pushed as a neutral term for waiter/waitress a number of years ago, but it never gained any purchase.

I'm surprised they haven't tried to do the same with 'actron'. Mind, it probably doesn't help that the 'tron' bit at the end makes most people instinctively think of a robot, and not a human at all - of either sex.

"Actron" sounds like it's meant to be a French version of the Autons from Spearhead from Space.

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Laidbackguy · Yesterday 10:28

Omlettes · Yesterday 01:43

Why on earth are you on a forum about feminism on Mumsnet?
Looking for easy pickings?

Because echo chamber are dangerous?

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ChaChaChooey · Yesterday 14:39

MN isn’t an echo chamber - no algorithms, no block lists, threads are ordered by most recent post.

If you mean MN is 95% women, say that.

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