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Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 vs A16 Bionic

Snapdragon 8 Gen 2
VS
A16 Bionic
Snapdragon 8 Gen 2
A16 Bionic

We compared the 8-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 (Adreno 740) with the older 6-core Apple A16 Bionic (Apple A16 GPU) SoC. Here you will find the pros and cons of each chip, technical specs, and comprehensive tests in benchmarks, like AnTuTu and Geekbench.

  1. Review
  2. Differences
  3. Benchmarks
  4. AnTuTu v10
  5. GeekBench 6
  6. Gaming
  7. Specs
  8. Comments (21)

Review

General comparison of performance, power consumption, and other indicators
CPU Performance
Single and multi-core processor tests
Gaming Performance
GPU performance in games and OpenCL/Vulkan
Battery life
Efficiency of battery consumption
NanoReview Score
Overall chip score

Key Differences

Main differences and advantages of each chip
Pros of Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 2
  • Performs 95% better in floating-point computations
  • Has 2 more cores
  • Supports 25% higher memory bandwidth (64 against 51.2 GB/s)
  • Shows better (up to 6%) AnTuTu 10 score – 1538K vs 1446K
  • Better instruction set architecture
Pros of Apple A16 Bionic
  • Higher GPU frequency (~2.1x)
  • 8% higher CPU clock speed (3460 vs 3200 MHz)

Benchmarks

Performance tests in popular benchmarks
SoC:
Snapdragon 8 Gen 2
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A16 Bionic

AnTuTu 10

The AnTuTu Benchmark measures CPU, GPU, RAM, and I/O performance in different scenarios
Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 +6%
1538522
A16 Bionic
1446983
CPU 378564 396674
GPU 624828 471025
Memory 285637 237167
UX 249493 342117
Total score 1538522 1446983
AnTuTu results from iOS and Android are not directly comparable! They won't affect NanoReview scores.
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GeekBench 6

The GeekBench test shows raw single-threaded and multithreaded CPU performance
Single-Core Score
Multi-Core Score
Asset compression 210 MB/sec 236.7 MB/sec
HTML 5 Browser 153.9 pages/sec 156.7 pages/sec
PDF Renderer 153.3 Mpixels/sec 162.1 Mpixels/sec
Image detection 128.6 images/sec 155.8 images/sec
HDR 159.7 Mpixels/sec 207.5 Mpixels/sec
Background blur 17.1 images/sec 26.5 images/sec
Photo processing 51.9 images/sec 77.6 images/sec
Ray tracing 5.92 Mpixels/sec 6.85 Mpixels/sec
Compute Score (GPU)
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3DMark

A cross-platform benchmark that assesses graphics performance in Vulkan (Metal)
3DMark Wild Life Performance
Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 +23%
12159
A16 Bionic
9874
Stability 64% 79%
Graphics test 72 FPS 59 FPS
Score 12159 9874

Gaming

Table of average FPS and graphics settings in mobile games
PUBG Mobile 90 FPS
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Call of Duty: Mobile 60 FPS
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Fortnite 56 FPS
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Shadowgun Legends 118 FPS
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World of Tanks Blitz 120 FPS
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Genshin Impact 59 FPS
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Mobile Legends: Bang Bang 59 FPS
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Device ZTE Nubia Red Magic 8 Pro
1116 x 2480		 -
We provide average results. FPS may differ, depending on game version, OS and other factors.

Specifications

Full list of technical specifications of Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 and A16 Bionic

CPU

Architecture 1x 3.2 GHz – Cortex-X3
2x 2.8 GHz – Cortex-A715
2x 2.8 GHz – Cortex-A710
3x 2 GHz – Cortex-A510		 2x 3.46 GHz – Everest
4x 2.02 GHz – Sawtooth
Cores 8 6
Frequency 3200 MHz 3460 MHz
Instruction set ARMv9-A ARMv8.6-A
L1 cache - 256 KB
L2 cache 1 MB 16 MB
L3 cache 8 MB -
Process 4 nanometers 4 nanometers
Transistor count - 16 billion
TDP (Sustained Power Limit) 6.3 W 8 W
Manufacturing TSMC TSMC

Graphics

GPU name Adreno 740 Apple A16 GPU
Architecture Adreno 700 Apple Bionic GPU
GPU frequency 680 MHz 1398 MHz
Pipelines 2 5
Shading units 1280 128
Total shaders 2560 640
FLOPS 3481.6 Gigaflops 1789.4 Gigaflops
Vulkan version 1.3 -
OpenCL version 2.0 -
DirectX version 12.1 -

AI Accelerator

Neural processor (NPU) Hexagon Apple Neural Engine
NPU theoretical performance - 17 TOPS

Memory

Memory type LPDDR5X LPDDR5
Memory frequency 4200 MHz 3200 MHz
Bus 4x 16 Bit 4x 16 Bit
Max bandwidth 64 Gbit/s 51.2 Gbit/s
Max size 24 GB 6 GB

Multimedia (ISP)

Storage type UFS 3.1, UFS 4.0 NVMe
Max display resolution 3840 x 2160 2796 x 1290
Max camera resolution 1x 200MP 1x 48MP
Video capture 8K at 30FPS, 4K at 120FPS 4K at 60FPS
Video playback 8K at 60FPS, 4K at 120FPS 4K at 60FPS
Video codecs H.264, H.265, AV1, VP8, VP9 H.264, H.265, VP8, VP9, Motion JPEG
Audio codecs AAC, AIFF, CAF, MP3, MP4, WAV AAC, AIFF, CAF, MP3, MP4, WAV, AC-3, E-AC-3, AAX, AAX+

Connectivity

Modem Snapdragon X70 -
4G support LTE Cat. 24 LTE Cat. 24
5G support Yes Yes
Download speed Up to 10000 Mbps Up to 7500 Mbps
Upload speed Up to 3500 Mbps Up to 3500 Mbps
Wi-Fi 7 6
Bluetooth 5.3 5.3
Navigation GPS, GLONASS, Beidou, Galileo, QZSS, SBAS, NAVIC GPS, GLONASS, Beidou, Galileo, QZSS

Info

Announced November 2022 September 2022
Class Flagship Flagship
Model number SM8550-AB APL1W10
Official page Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 official site -
Further details
Notes on Snapdragon 8 Gen 2:
    - There's also the "Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 for Galaxy," which only differs by having a 160 MHz higher CPU clock and a 39 MHz higher GPU clock, resulting in 3681 GFLOPS for the GPU. Generally, you won't notice this difference in real-life usage, including games.

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Comments

Please give your opinion on the comparison of A16 Bionic and Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, or ask any questions
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ItzLel September 15, 2023 at 10:46 PM
Snapdragon has gone crazy this year! Absolutely destroyed Apple in Gaming with a Huge 30% overcome?! Not to mention FPS gains ...In benchmarks a16 CPU wins, but in real life a16 CPU doesn't even reach 3ghz on its peak cores, which means they got specifically overclocked for a set of tests!!! Go watch some YouTube before throwing a comment apple fanboys! Can't wait to see next year's gains!
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Daine Quitco July 27, 2023 at 03:58 AM
I personally love both the Apple A16 Bionic and Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 2! :) No need to fight over the processor now.
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Tanjim July 14, 2023 at 03:42 PM
Dude can it beat Goku tho??? I use a Nokia asha-302 and it can run Bounce Ball at stable 30fps no lag, no heating at all, and of course, it runs almost the whole day without charging.
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Lucius Yeo June 23, 2023 at 03:59 PM
I was actually quite surprised with the results lol :)
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Marz Love. May 23, 2023 at 01:27 AM
I've had the opportunity to use both iOS and Android. I appreciate the flexibility that Android provides its users, including the array of features and capabilities that are not available on iOS. However, what I truly admire about iOS is the longevity and stability it offers. Even amidst a flurry of updates from Android or any Android-based chipset, iOS remains committed to providing what they believe is the best for its users. In terms of repair and maintenance, I've found that when an iPhone encounters issues, it's relatively easy to source high-quality replacement parts at reasonable prices, instead of having to purchase a new device. However, for Android-based phones, even items like LCD screens can be notably more expensive than their iOS counterparts. From a gaming perspective, I enjoy titles such as Mobile Legends and Call of Duty Mobile. I've noticed a certain delay on Android that I can't quite explain, whereas, on iOS, the gameplay seems to be smoother. These are merely my observations based on personal experience. I hope you find them helpful!
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SysAdmin SoC June 9, 2023 at 08:23 AM
I've noticed the exact opposite. Apple STRUGGLES during gaming so much that it makes you feel like you're holding a cheap Chinese-made phone. And regarding longevity, let's remember that Apple was the one SECRETLY slowing down their customers' devices without notice when they released new products. When they were finally called out for this malpractice and SUED internationally, only then did they backtrack and offer an option to avoid falling prey to their deceptive practices. The only thing Apple remains committed to is planned obsolescence. In terms of repair and maintenance, Apple's "Genius" Bar (read: SCAMMERS) will tell you to replace an entire $1500 motherboard when just a $10 power connector needs to be replaced. Apple has the WORST repair and maintenance history of any device manufacturer in the world (including third-world countries). The screens of Samsung and other devices are so much better than Apple's that Apple themselves bought their screens from Samsung for the iPhones; let's not forget that. Certainly, many Android phones have better displays and screens than Apple could ever imagine.
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8XUS June 9, 2023 at 03:25 PM
SysAdmin SoC, Seems you picked up the wrong iPhone. Iphones are perfectly fine in every situation, and in most cases better.
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Skips June 28, 2023 at 06:03 AM
SysAdmin SoC, Struggles? Yeah, right! My iPhone 13 Pro Max effortlessly handles games like Genshin Impact on high settings, smoothly and without any frame drops. The same goes for Asphalt 9 Legends, Apex Legends, and battle simulators with thousands of units—all at max settings. Even after hours of gameplay, I’ve experienced little to no lag. So, I don’t get where this "struggles" notion is coming from, as there’s no game on the Play Store or App Store that's demanding enough for the powerful SoCs of the latest iPhones.
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Dexxta January 4, 2024 at 04:13 PM
Do you have this comment stored in your notes or clipboard? I bet I've seen them on other platforms before.
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tyneso February 20, 2024 at 03:58 PM
8XUS, The iMessage platform is quite messy and the multitasking capabilities are poor -- for instance, background downloading doesn't exist, and the camera only works in the background during FaceTime calls. Additionally, the device doesn't support split-screen functionality. It also fails to perform efficiently with Windows machines, especially when considering that machines at the same cost provide twice the performance. The device only supports USB-C input in 15th-generation models. The animation transitions are slow, and there is a lag between syncing the iPad and iPhone- these are just the issues that I currently remember. The device only seems to work well within the Apple ecosystem, and even that is unreliable. If you happen to dislike a feature or product (for instance, the poor sound quality of the AirPods), there doesn't seem to be a straightforward solution - you either use it as-is or find an alternative. In my opinion, the iPad Pro is the only great device from Apple that can keep up with Android capabilities, even though it sometimes feels as slow as the iPhone despite housing a laptop-grade processor. The notification system is also rather cluttered.
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Korbs March 19, 2024 at 09:18 AM
8XUS, Wrong. I have both the iphone 15 pro max and the galaxy s23 ultra. My employer furnishes its employees with the newest Iphone every year. In my experience lately, iphone has fallen behind in gaming and in everyday use. They still have no centralized file system and the customization options are pathetic. Only old people and children should use iPhones because of their ease of use. The only time I would consider using an iphone for personal use is if the phone is jailbroken. Otherwise, you can keep that trash.
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Android vs IOS April 1, 2023 at 10:35 AM
For the first time in 16 years (since 2007), Snapdragon Beats Apple A Bionic by a small Margin in overall performance, efficiency and consistency *PC Mark Extreme •Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 - "474" •A16 Bionic - "457" •Dimensity 9200 - "451"
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Some guy June 20, 2023 at 10:35 PM
Apple set the bar quite high, I was surprised when the bionic chip came out. A perfect example of companies becoming stagnant without competition.
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Randy chan March 12, 2023 at 02:37 AM
Of all the comparing you've all mentioned regarding 8 gen 2 vs a16 bionic which was a lot to say the least, you forgot to mention the modems. A16 bionic has the x65 modem while the 8 gen 2 has the x70 modem which is already compatible with the upcoming wifi 7, thus making it future proof thus 8 gen 2 wins this comparison.
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AJX July 20, 2023 at 05:09 PM
There is no agreed-upon wifi 7 standard yet and it may (and very much likely) change in a year to be completely different. So no, it doesn't.
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Alif February 27, 2023 at 11:29 AM
Now its time to turn back on geekbench 6 score from geekbench 5
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Randy Chan February 21, 2023 at 02:45 AM
A16 bionic vs 8 gen 2 is a battle of current titans as both are high-performance chips that are used only in current premium phones with the highest prices to match. Which chip is better depends on which OS you prefer. If you like iOS then the A16 bionic is best. If you like android then 8 gen 2 is best.
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SysAdmin SoC June 9, 2023 at 08:25 AM
No, I disagree. Math is objective. Numbers don't lie. SD-8 Gen-2 clearly wins.
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8XUS June 9, 2023 at 03:27 PM
SysAdmin SoC, A16, as literally always, wins, not by much, but still
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Deep June 15, 2023 at 05:22 PM
8XUS, Not even close, 8gen 2 wins easily. Its GPU is 2 generations ahead. Its modem is a generation ahead.
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Skips June 28, 2023 at 06:11 AM
Deep, And still the overclocked version of snapdragon 8gen 2 for Samsung s23 ultra gets less stable average fps, lower 1% lows, and lower peaks than the a16 bionic on iphone 14 pro max on a game test on genshin impact, you can watch the comparison on YT. I think it's because the GPU advantage snapdragon 8g2 gets you doesn't matter as much since mobile games are more CPU bottleneck, and a16 bionic has bigger and more powerful cores.
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GTG August 11, 2023 at 10:41 PM
SysAdmin SoC, Well, I think there's more to find out if an iphone is built in with that snapdragon chip while Android with a bionic chip. I think the comparison isn't clear only if this is done.
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Hossein February 20, 2023 at 11:37 AM
Between 8 gen 2 and a16 bionic you will like to choose the snapdragon processor But Between iphone 14 pro max and s23 ultra, you will definitely choose the apple Hehe!
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Randy chan February 23, 2023 at 10:46 PM
That's very true because the s23 is android based while the iphone 14 pro max is iOS based which has superior software-hardware optimization vs all android based phones.
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David48797 March 5, 2023 at 09:14 AM
Most def will choose s23 ultra over 14 pro max (my opinion)
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MKPROHD April 21, 2023 at 01:05 PM
Randy chan, But I find Android One UI really smooth and enjoyable, iOS is still smoother because they have a very tight control on it, it's a trade-off that I wouldn't want to do, but the APPLE users did and I understand that.
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SysAdmin SoC June 9, 2023 at 08:27 AM
Randy chan, No, it doesn't. Apple has a lot of bugs now. The S23 Ultra is leagues ahead of the iPhone. I would go so far as to say that the Nothing Phone 1 is FAR more optimized for its chip than Apple is for its own.
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8XUS June 9, 2023 at 03:31 PM
SysAdmin SoC, Apple user here, only ever, out of the whole year I’ve used iOS, experienced around 6 bugs.
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Only 6 June 20, 2023 at 10:41 PM
8XUS, Only 6? The last iPhone i used (8) couldn't be updated without iMessage and several other apps refusing to launch. The UI would start to lag after 3 days, requiring a restart. Finally one day , after i went to bed, i woke up to an apple logo on my screen - the ultimate sign of device failure. Always thought it was funny that Apple would display its logo instead of a critical error
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Pierce August 18, 2023 at 09:30 AM
MKPROHD, Apple phones have better single core performance. Even the a15 beats the sd8gen2 for single core performance. 90% of the time spent on your phone is only using one core.
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John Wiederecht August 18, 2023 at 09:31 AM
SysAdmin SoC, I use an Apple phone all day every day and then use an Android for emulation at night. As far as just clicking around doing things, Apple really is noticeably snappier.
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Chipsets Revelations February 15, 2023 at 04:42 PM
Facts and Revelations that will blow your mind: 1. Revelation: Apple's A16 Bionic have the same GPU to the previous A15 while upgrading to LPDDR5 Ram from the last LPDDRR4X 2. Facts: Qualcomm's Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 GPU the Adreno 740 has the same performance score as NVidia GTX 1050 from a well-known benchmark while only consuming 8 watts. 3. Revelation: Apple's A16 Bionic does not really reach 3+GHz?. A test from a well-known Tech channel. During a Benchmark test, it turns out that A16 Bionic has no chance of reaching its full potential. Conservative yet scummy move.
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Hato_Mail8 April 19, 2023 at 11:02 PM
A16 has 5 cores, but it’s not the same GPU as it’s %15 more powerful than the A15s 5-core GPU. So that’s false (again)
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MKPROHD April 21, 2023 at 01:06 PM
Hato_Mail8, It same GPU, but faster ram lead to better results I presume?
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John Wiederecht August 18, 2023 at 09:35 AM
The GPU in the sd8gen2 is incredibly powerful. It’s just a shame there’s only 1 or 2 games that actually use it’s potential. It’s an incredible chip for emulation. Still, I’d never consider going back to Android daily drivers after about 3 years on Apple.
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ItzMe September 15, 2023 at 10:53 PM
Hato_Mail8, For god's sake do some research before throwing comments!! A16 GPU is THE SAME WITH a15 GPU! They just upgraded the ram to the DDR5 model! Watch some YouTube! Thank you for your time!
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Tech Reviews February 14, 2023 at 03:33 PM
Lemme tell you why Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 kills A16 Bionic with its "Genius" Idea I've ever seen: Factual Revelations About Apple's A16 Bionic: Disclaimer: Sorry if Someone Got Mad at me or get hurt but it's the truth! Especially IPhone fanboys... 1.Apple's A16 Bionic and A15 Bionic GPU are THESAME! BOOM! The only additional small upgrade is the DDR5 on A16 from the previous DDR4X at A15 which is a small improvement to lessen the power consumption by 15%. 2. At the test from a well-known Chipset tech Youtube Video, Apple's A16 Bionic Consumes 11 Watts while performing only below 45 FPS at Genshin Impact!? APPLE GAMERS ARE SCAMMING CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMIC ISLAND THING... 3. A test again from a well-known Chipset Tech Youtuber. Did u know that Apple's A16 doesn't reach 3GHz+? U heard it right! Another SCAM A16 Bionic is soo conservative at power Efficiency that its Cores don't peak which means that it would perform a performance that doesn't reach its full potential APPLE. If u gonna let me pick I'll go back to A15 Bionic. Apple starting to DOWNFALL! Crazy Facts About Snapdragon 8 Gen 2: 1. Did u realize that Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 replace 1 of its Power Efficiency Cores with a Performance Core? Some Haters would say "OMG! Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 is a power-hungry chipset!". Well, Qualcomm made a Pretty Genius idea, you see a small core does penetrate to cool off a phone while processing but when u multitask it does clock up to maximum frequency and because of it the chipset will start to heat up so Qualcomm made up an idea to replace it with a Performance core so that the computational of each application it multitasks would be quicker and it lessens the frequency peaking that would help the smartphone to lessen the heat and power consumption. 2. Qualcomm's Flagships has an Undisputed GPU that is dubbed as the "King of Smartphone GPU Maker". Did u know that Adreno 740 is the as same performance as a PC GPU? Well according to a Famous tech reviewer in a GPU Test Adreno 740 reach the score as same as NVidia GTX 1050! And another shocking test it only consumes 8 Watts WHAT THE HELL!!!? And it is also proved when it tests Genshin impact and it turns out it only consumes 8.75 Watts WOW! while the consistency rate of FPS is almost flat at 60 FPS with very few Frame Drops.
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A14 Titan March 20, 2023 at 10:56 AM
I was using the iPhone 12 and I thought it would be flawless while gaming.. I live in a relatively warm climate region (Nigeria) where temperatures outside can reach as high as 45 degrees on a sunny day. I don’t play games during the day even if I’m indoors because it will heat up. So I typically played games at night (CALL OF DUTY) when the weather is cool. 🥲 I switched to the iPhone 12 and it was slightly better although it still heated up, it was slightly better. 🥲🥲
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Hato_Mail8 April 19, 2023 at 09:59 PM
Again…. Focusing in on only Apple. Their A chips have always been like this, where they don’t continually and always boost above 3GHz. That much power packed in a tiny casing means there will be issues. It’s a thing called thermal throttling y’all never seem to realize. Plus this new Snapdragon does the same thing, cuz the thing only has one core that goes to 3.2GHz, while there are 4 cores that go up to 2.8GHz, which they’ll still throttle if the chip gets hot. That’s how all CPUs work, and how they’ve always been. Also phones using the new snapdragon have a Vapor chamber, compared to the iPhones using just back casing for cooling. Lastly, benchmarks mean literally nothing because people like Samsung have a tendency to fake results in those tools. Real-world performance in every day things means more, and with android as the OS as well, it means you’ll have a 50/50 chance of having a good time, and If the thing will get more than 3 years of updates.
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ItzHey February 8, 2023 at 04:53 PM
Wowowoowow!!! 8K 60fps video playback?! 79 fps in 3D mark?! Apple....time to speed up and catch android or else you'll belong in the Mid-range section😬🎮
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Qwerty February 10, 2023 at 12:36 AM
Ah yes, 8k60 video playback…on a 1440p display. Oh, and how long is that 79 fps going to be sustained before your phone burns your fingers?
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Legit February 14, 2023 at 08:28 PM
Qwerty, Bruh it still tries to render 8k pixels in any display causing it to use the max performance required to play 8k videos. U clearly don't know how rendering works lol.
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ItzHey February 22, 2023 at 09:53 PM
Qwerty, Dear apple fanboy, EVERY android flagship nowadays comes with superior liquid cooling systems so that performance remain on its peak every single moment. Meanwhile, apple struggles to even PUT a SIMPLE cooling system on your overpriced phones.....meaning disability to keep stable FPS performance in heavy, especially, gaming. You cant compare gaming on android vs on iphone....
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ItzMe February 28, 2023 at 09:50 PM
ItzHey, Sorry, bro, I misunderstood ur answer...Sorry
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Hena April 11, 2023 at 07:19 AM
ItzHey, You are right, iPhones do in fact get very hot. I played Genshin Impact on my iPhone 13 and it got pretty hot and I got few micro lags after 10 minutes. But the optimization of many games on iOS in my opinion is better.
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i can't take this lol February 1, 2023 at 04:17 AM
ThatGuy, dude, I don't care if apple or sd wins but who needs 8k in a smartphone screen? btw 30 fps is barely playable and there are NO chips in the world that do not throttle without frying themselves.
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im not givin out my name February 6, 2023 at 09:28 PM
i regularly take 8k on my s20, i love it. it also doesn't throttle
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John Wiederecht August 18, 2023 at 09:40 AM
im not givin out my name, Yeah, the sd865 was a lovely chip. I wish they’d never gone to the X cores.
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Billy January 23, 2023 at 02:13 AM
Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 is very stable and has very good power efficiency. With a multi-core that was nearly A15, and a GPU score that crushed A16 with nearly 100% of stability. I believe that the GPU of 8 Gen 3 will surpass M1.
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Josh January 28, 2023 at 12:14 AM
The M1 chip is in a league of its own maybe in mobile devices but gives it cooling and no it won’t touch an m1.
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guest February 2, 2023 at 09:00 AM
Josh, M1 is in tablets, and phones don't provide sufficient cooling, so it would throttle and performance would be much lower.
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keith March 26, 2023 at 07:00 AM
guest, Is an active cooling gaming phone with a factory overclock possible?
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Donkey man January 5, 2023 at 02:38 PM
Jesus calms tf down they are just mobile chips, no need to go into the specifics about one being 2% faster than the other or that one is more efficient than the other.
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Mark February 22, 2023 at 10:04 PM
I agree with you....both chips are just perfect for everyone, no need to read all these comments.
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Daine Quitco June 28, 2023 at 09:32 AM
Mark, Same, there's no point of this argument, its all up on their own
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ItzMe December 23, 2022 at 05:42 PM
The GPU's power is clear when it comes to video capture. Sd 8 gen 2's 8K 30fps capture here clearly destroys apple's paleolithic 4K 60 fps capture. If we go back, we can see that even sd 625 (6-year-old midrange android chip) can record 4K 30fps !! Want more proof that a16's GPU lack behind the sd 8 gen 2? Check Wild life Mark results. Sd here gives 28,93% more fps, meaning better gaming performance thanks to the superb snapdragon's GPU. Apple's CPU performs better according to results, thanks to better software architecture (allocates less ram to the same apps maintaining the same performance). Conclusion? Both chips are beasts, they won't lag or ever throttle in every single task. If you're a gamer, go for Sd 8 gen 2. If you are a casual user or heavy task-fan then go for a16.
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Qwerty December 28, 2022 at 12:21 AM
If you’re a gamer, go for a $1000+ PC instead of spending that specifically for mobile gaming. 20-30% gpu performance on a phone is no reason to go out and buy a phone.
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Entworks IT January 1, 2023 at 06:12 PM
Qwerty, If you're an avid videographer or photographer or enjoy projecting presentations, videos, etc with your phone stay away from the A16. As already mentioned, the A16 is only decent due to the software architecture. If the same level of efficiency was allocated for the Snapdragon, the A16 wouldn't even be on the same graphs as the SD8g2.
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ItzMe January 1, 2023 at 06:56 PM
Qwerty, Bro, we're talking about gaming on a phone. Gaming is surely better on pc, but doesn't anyone have 1000+ to spend? Instead, purchasing a 500-600$ gaming phone is more feasible. Also, the PC needs external compartments (monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc). So don't bring Computers into the comparison, costs get too far.
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Dinervc January 4, 2023 at 02:03 AM
I sense an Android User. 1. The A16 is easily capable of 8k30fps. I‘d bet all my money it’s even able to easily record at 8k60fps as well. Why do I say this? Because it has little to nothing to do with the Processor. Apple just now got 8k capabilities with their new 48mp sensor. 2. Kid, the GPU power of the SD8gen2 is AT BEST about as good, but rather worse. iPhones are capped to 60fps, hence why the SD8gen2 is able to beat it in Wildlife by such a crazy amount. Newer versions of 3DMark literally tell you the test is too lightweight. 3. The actual conclusion: Slap a MagSafe fan on the iPhone 14 Pro Max and you got yourself the by far best Phone Gaming Device the world has to offer. If you don’t like iOS, go for a SD8gen2 device.
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Dinervc January 4, 2023 at 02:05 AM
Entworks IT, Stay away from Android if you actually are a videographer or photographer. Stop overhyping the SD8gen2, it’s meh. Properly cooled A14>=SD8gen2.☠️
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Qwerty January 17, 2023 at 11:47 AM
ItzMe, You're spending $1k on a phone to game...There's no way to make you understand how ridiculous that is.
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ItzRandom January 19, 2023 at 08:28 PM
Dinervc, So much incorrect info in your answer may be due to a lack of knowledge. 1)"Iphone 14 pro max best gaming phone the world has to offer". Check out Asus Rog Phone 6 pro. 2) Where did you find 8K video capabilities in a16 bionic? Max support is 4K 60fps, check the data above 👆👆👆. "Iphones are capped to 60fps". You just said it yourself, apple can't exceed the 60 fps limit in the 3D mark. Especially, it can't ever reach 60fps!! (58 fps with even less stability, also check above👆👆). So even if a16 was not capped it still wouldn't exceed 60fps, snapdragon here is 28,93% better, there's no competitor. A New, "innovative" (let me laugh) 48MP camera doesn't mean better video capabilities. Video recording has to do with GPU, so with the chipset. I'll give a very simple example of mid-range androids: My redmi note 10S can record 4K 30fps with a 64MP sensor, but the newer Redmi note 11S can only record 1080p 30fps with a 108MP camera. So it's all about the chip. Conclusion? I suggest doing some research before throwing a comment. Thank you for your time.
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ItzMe January 19, 2023 at 08:52 PM
Qwerty, What do u mean I spend 1k on a phone for the game? My phone is a Redmi note 10S and there's no freaking way to give above 350$ for a phone. Just a waste of money for me and my use. All this comparison exists for people who want to buy stuff like this.
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yoyo January 22, 2023 at 04:32 PM
Qwerty, That’s like comparing a console to a pc. Gtfo. You should compare: PC to Console Mobile Phone to Hand handle ( Switch, Steam Deck and etc.)
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A humble engineer January 30, 2023 at 09:52 PM
Entworks IT, What do you mean by “Software Architecture” exactly? The comment you are referring to is written by a 16-year-old with the knowledge of 10 minutes of Google searching. There “micro-architecture” on both these chips are built is the same, i.e., ARM V9-A. Albeit, the A16 Bionic might have better IPC (Instructions per cycle) compared to the SD8 gen 2. What the commenter was trying to suggest was that A16 would be more optimized because it will be exclusive to Apple devices and doesn’t have to account for others. But the main reason I couldn’t keep myself from replying to your comment is that your claim that “A16 should be avoided if you are a videographer” is ENTIRELY WRONG. And this is not because I am some secret Apple-worshiping bonehead or anything. It’s because the specifications of the SOC can only tell you so much about the end video quality. What you’re looking at in the spec list is that the SD has a much higher bandwidth and can pump out much higher resolutions/ framerates than A16. But you’re forgetting that video is not just about having the better SOC, the Cameras themselves, the Image Processing Pipelines, etc play a much bigger role in it, which you might have seen in every review ever, iPhone videos have gone uncontested for years and 8 gen 2 isn’t likely to change that. So your statement on avoiding iPhones for video is incorrect. I quite like the 8 gen 2 over the A16. Sure the A16 might win by a hair on the CPU side but the 8 gen 2’s GPU is significantly faster than Apple’s. To say nothing of the versatility of the Snapdragon. And it was a solid improvement over the 8 Plus Gen 1, while on the Apple side, A16 was not as big of an improvement over the A15. Apple’s been ahead for so long that it’s starting to act like the next Intel. It’s lacking the motivation to innovate anymore and I’d love competitors like Qualcomm, Mediatek (and Exynos even) to do their best and beat Apple once and for all. Competition only benefits us. But as close as they are right now, today is still not the day for celebration.
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Greebo February 2, 2023 at 11:15 AM
Qwerty, If you are a gamer go for AD102-300 - it will easily crush both - A16 and Sd8g2 or even g3. And it will draw 600W from your power socket. However, if you are a mobile phone user... Take into account mobile restrictions and make compromises. A16 and Sd8g2 are both good and well-designed platforms. It all boils down to whether you prefer Android or iOS. Are apples better than robots?
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JJJ February 15, 2023 at 12:46 PM
Entworks IT, Anyone who is an avid videographer should not use a phone...
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JJJ February 15, 2023 at 12:48 PM
Dinervc, You get your "surely capable of 8k 30fps" on what? Or is it just a "hunch" of an iPhone fan? Stop kid
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care_less March 3, 2023 at 02:46 PM
Qwerty, Some folks may buy a $1k+ phone specifically for gaming. But, and this is a pretty big deal, that same phone that's so great for gaming is ALSO fantastic at many, many computing tasks. I use my older Note20 Ultra for gaming, video/photo capture/editing, and even 3D modeling/rendering. Sure, I could get an inexpensive laptop for those tasks, but why would I? My Note20 fits in my pocket has an unlimited data plan, and the battery life is much better than any laptop capable of the same tasks. And to top it off, it's a phone too! So, again, why buy a $350+ phone, and a $500-1500 laptop when I can get one device that does it all? Oh, and to keep the comparison equal, I'd need to get a separate mobile data plan for the laptop. Sure, I could use a phone as a hotspot, but they're usually super limited in regards to the data per month. No thanks, I've got a portable "lapdock" that turns my phone into a laptop when I need it. My point is simply that an expensive phone is actually cheaper in the long term, and much more convenient, and tons of people actually need the extra capability of a mobile powerhouse. It just so happens that they're great for mobile gaming. One last thing. I'd pay hundreds more for an android phone over iOS of similar performance, simply because you have more freedom to tweak and customize android to fit your needs. iPhones have one single feature that I'm moderately jealous of LiDAR. I do a lot of photogrammetries, and while the iPhone/iPad LiDAR is weak, it would be a pretty big advantage over android phones when using them for 3D imaging. That being said, I can get a really nice dedicated 3D scanner for less than $500. So, yeah, doesn't matter whether the a16 beats the SD gen2, an Android phone is capable of so much more than an iPhone. Wouldn't mind grabbing an iPad Pro, however. But not if it meant giving up my android.
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A humble engineer 2 March 17, 2023 at 07:11 AM
A humble engineer, Android utilizes a stack of software programs, with a Linux kernel contributing to its architecture. When adding new functions, they can be stacked accordingly. On the other hand, iOS or Apple uses a layered architecture, primarily MVC, and they instruct developers to adhere to it as it yields better results for iOS. The Linux architecture consists of elements like the kernel, system library, hardware layer, system, and shell functions. The Unix architecture includes the shell, hardware, kernel, and user commands and apps. Although they may sound similar, Linux is derived from Unix and is an evolved form of Unix, while Android is based on Linux. In contrast, iOS is based on Unix, specifically the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD). As a result, iOS is lightweight and has difficulty incorporating certain functions that are readily available on Android. BSD is a discontinued distribution rather than an actively developed Linux version. Linux is newer and evolved from Unix. iOS is built on an outdated OS and strictly controls its architecture. Consequently, it requires less hardware, and the lightweight and less complex nature of iOS allows for better optimization. Android may improve significantly in the future due to its active distribution, unlike the discontinued one on iOS. This is also why iOS is so restrictive. If Apple wants to change that, it would need to overhaul its entire operating system or aggressively market its products and persuade people to adopt Apple products by locking them into its ecosystem. And that's what they're doing.
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Hato_Mail8 April 19, 2023 at 10:26 PM
I’d take 4K60fps over just 8K30fps lol. Adoption is 8K is far slower than when it happened with 4K. Lots of people by now have 4K devices and 4K compatible devices, mostly for media as gaming is a whole other beast. But 8K for videos? Naw. I’d be more impressed if they somehow got 8K60fps working on such a small device. But they’d have to majorly improve the camera sensor so nothing looks bad. Cuz processing camera data is different than just having it record 8K resolution.
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Hato_Mail8 April 19, 2023 at 10:43 PM
ItzMe, Dude the phones that use this snapdragon chip are not 500. Plus there are more than just “1000 PCs” and this is talking in USD. If you had $1200 USD (which is the price of an S23) you could easily build a good PC that has higher specs than this phone, and games at higher detail and smoother frame rates. And, you could easily get a laptop at that same price. Sure with all of this, you’ll have to use windows, and X64-86 machines, but you’ll have a better less expensive thousand dollar gaming performance. Is Genshin on high with this thing? 50fps max, with dips to 37 or so. But an RTX 3060 mobile? High settings completely stable 60fps experience with no drops in high-intensity areas. The unlocked frame rate makes it 80fps. That’s just one example, and Genshin is a power hungry game. But there is way more than just Genshin. Gaming on a phone is stupid anyway because touch controls have always been bad.
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Hato_Mail8 April 19, 2023 at 10:46 PM
Dinervc, They most likely excluded 8K, because they wanted to wait till they can do ProRes 8K video. Cuz apparently ProRes video with high-storage iPhones is really great.
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Hato_Mail8 April 19, 2023 at 10:58 PM
ItzRandom, 1) Asus’ ROG phone is more expensive, and uses the last gen SD8+ gen 1, and it’s not even that good for regular use without the fan, which is the only form of cooling the damn thing has 2) The A16 is very much capable of 8K, apple is most likely holding off until they can make ProRes video with 8K on iPhone, just because of how much development goes into this format 3) iPhone screens have always been 60Hz, but the pro model uses a 120hz screen mostly for smoother scrolling on stuff, plus the SD8 Gen 2 can’t even use the full 120hz screen on certain android phones, mostly because every game is different. 60fps is the average baseline for any gaming setup, even if you run some RTX 3050 desktop setup, that smashes out 60fps and a PC build with that would be less than one of those android devices.
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ItzMe September 15, 2023 at 10:34 PM
Qwerty, You're spending $1.5k on a phone that opens Spotify just a second faster than my Redmi Note 10s. I don't think I can convince you how wasteful that seems.
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just_a_random_pikachu December 3, 2022 at 03:28 PM
Guys, the snapdragon 8 gen 2 is clearly better than the A16 if you factor in price. The price for an sd8g2 flagship phone is up to maybe 1.5k USD, meanwhile, the iPhone 15 will probably cost upwards of 2k USD.
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Boris December 4, 2022 at 03:03 AM
Wait what? You are talking which is better by the price of the overall product/device and it's built quality? LOL
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pieceofchum December 15, 2022 at 07:25 AM
Right now S22 Ultra and iPhone 14 Max Pro cos the same even with Samsung deals and there is no reason why Apple would suddenly drastically increase their price. I am holding off until the S23 ultra comes out but I expect the price to match Apple’s iPhone.
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Billy November 22, 2022 at 03:50 PM
The results are that Snapdragon 8 Gen 2’s GPU has about 20% more performance than A16 Bionic. 8Gen2 CPU’s single core is between A13 and A14, multi-core is between A15 and A16.
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Dr Mujeeb November 21, 2022 at 03:04 AM
Efficiency also matters. Apple's bionics have only been downgraded since a14. ( Geekbench scores/watt) A14: 4200 @ 6.7w (626/w) A15: 4700 @ 8.2w (573/w) A16: 5400 @ 9.2w (586/w) While as Android has been only improving in terms of efficiency. SD 8 gen 1: 3700 @ 10.5w (352/w) D 9000 : 4300 @ 8.8w (488/w) SD 8+ gen 1: 4200 @ 7.5w ( 560/w) D9200: 4450 @ 7.8w ( 570/w) SD 8 gen 2 : 4700 @ 7.8w (602/w) Let's talk about improvement in genshin impact. 57 fps @ 1440:720p resolution: A15: 4.9 watts A 16: 5.2 watts ( apple becoming worse) 8 gen 1: 9 watts D 9000: 6.2 watts ( Android improving) SD 8+ gen 1 : 5.5 watts D9200: 5.4 watts SD 8 gen 2: not yet disclosed. Then GPU is altogether a different game. On manhattan es 3.1 offscreen 1080p Apple bionic in 4 years has improved from 120 fps to 195 fps (62%). At the same time, Android has improved from 87 fps to 226 fps (160%). Apple had a lead in efficiency until a14. But since then they have dried up, there hasn't been any improvement in efficiency at all and they have just been increasing tdp of their chips and no real efficiency gains.
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Steve November 21, 2022 at 03:23 PM
Anandtech does an in-depth analysis and shows that Apple's chips lead both in terms of performance and performance per watt. Also, you can't just compare frame rates in Genshin Impact. The Android version is dumbed down such that you can't run the highest level of graphic effects as compared to the iPhone version. So, you're not comparing the same thing.
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John Ades November 22, 2022 at 02:43 AM
Where did you get this data?
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Karim November 19, 2022 at 07:23 AM
If snapdragon wants to win should change the structure to 1+5+2 or 2+4+2
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Dr Mujeeb November 21, 2022 at 03:02 AM
2 4 2 isn't feasible. But 1 5 2 is, in fact, according to earlier leaks they are going to switch to 152 with 8 gen 3.
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John Ades November 22, 2022 at 02:46 AM
Dr Mujeeb, Why using 2x X-core isn't feasible like what apple does so they can win in the single-core bench?
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