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EU Reportedly Planning to Charge Apple for Violating Digital Markets Act
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I take it that you expect the middle class to flourish and buy expensive Apple products, right?
From what I understand the Fed is using Canada as a guinea pig to try a rate cut and see what happens. I am wondering if Canada started a rate cut yet?
I think than they’d have to charge that across the world - based on my loose interpretation of a snippet of the EU document someone posted in the thread earlier.
“Anyone thoughtful?” Good grief. Stop expecting everyone else to read tea leaves and try to interpret the intent of sloppy work.
If Apple doesn't want to follow these regulations, they can simply leave the EU market. Their marketplace, their rules.
Ummm...Apple spends billions of dollars to build and maintain the iPhone, IOS, IP, etc. This is what Apple "charges itself." Getting all that for free would be giving preferential treatment to 3rd parties.
Apple should leave the European union, a company has a RIGHT to decide what goes on within it's platform, don't like it use windows!!! Want an Apple product in the future 3rd party resellers will feed your needs!!$$$$$ Hey EU keep shaking the hornets nest!!!
This thread should be civil. My $.02;
The law is the law. No one should be surprised that punitive action is taken against entities that violate the law or the spirit of the law.
The law is the law. No one should be surprised that punitive action is taken against entities that violate the law or the spirit of the law.
I agree. Most of Apple features aren't available in my region anyway. Not even a language. Android has and supports my language. Apple doesn't. Windows also has my language.
Nobody in the EU even uses a Mac. It's rather about iOS.
If you happen to ascend to the C-suite of any company please post it here so we can instruct our brokers to sell or short that company's stock.
Much appreciated.
They won't given the same is going to happen in Australia, India, the UK, the US and Japan.
At this rate Apple would only be able to sell their phones in China.
He seems to think the CTF is going to be okay
From this post
"We know from today’s workshop that (a) Apple has already gotten specific pushback from the EC on aspects of its DMA compliance plan; and (b) Apple continues to think the CTF is perfectly cromulent under the terms of the DMA. That to me says the CTF is going to fly."
One issue is that the law might not be particularly clear. If laws were always clear in all situations, we'd have way fewer lawyers in the world.
Apple should comply with the law. However, it's well within Apple's rights as a corporation to challenge laws the people running Apple think are bad or unclear or not constitutional EU's Constitution). Also, it is possible Apple is in full compliance with the law as written. In that case, it might be some people in the EU government don't like how Apple is complying and are trying to strong-arm Apple into doing something that complies differently with the law. In this case, maybe the law needs to be amended and written better. This is where lawyers come in.
It's great that the EU is liberal enough to allow people and corporations to do things like this. There are countries where there is no legal recourse for corporations or individuals who 'break' the law or keep the law in a way that government officials do not like.
The problem is that in the rest of the world (and in the EU if you stick with the old App Store terms) you only have to pay the annual developer membership to gain access to all of those features, they give all of that away already.
So Apple charging Apps, essentially, a 0.50 fee to also offer their apps outside of the App Store is what is at issue, they already give away the tech because Apple knows that it is important to keep third party apps around.
Exactly, we haven’t reached the point where it’s not worth doing business, at all. Apple has complied with China, so obviously they will comply with the EU. Even if it’s sad that the EU is going in that direction, we’re still far from being something like China.
how do you know they don’t? From Apple’s perspective it would just be a ledger entry.
They don't give it away; they subsidize it with app sales. Take those app sales away, and the revenue to pay for the service doesn't exist.
That’s true, I suppose they’d just have to prove it. Maybe that’s the thinking behind their platform fee.
No one is surprised, we’re used to the EU. The main problem is that they create very abstract legislation, the legislator is the same body as the judge, and fines are absolutely outrageous.
Just wait until the implementation of this latest thing they passed where if you want to sell something in the eu you have to conform to their guidelines and those who provide parts for your products you sell in the eu also have to conform with the guidelines. 
This take is nothing but hyperbole. No one is required to comply with intent and spirit. Unless a court decides that the words of the law mean something different, you comply with what it actually says.
They did comply with the regulations. Apply has thousands of lawyers on staff and they spent a ton of developer and legal hours creating the code for this compliance and updating their policy to comply with this. This isn't just them flipping the bird to the EU like so many of you seem to think. This is a legitimate effort at compliance with the law. Apple's legal team read this and created this compliance. The EU is reading their law differently. The big difference is that the EU had something in mind when they wrote the law. Apple is not privy to their thinking. They only know what the law says. So, the EU folks are saying they are not in compliance. But, are they not in compliance with the law as it stands, or are they not in compliance with the EU's intent? If it is the latter, then the EU will need to update the law to match their intent before Apple will be on the line for any fines. And if that happens, Apple would have the opportunity to update their policy to match the updated law.
Incorrect.
Apple is not getting to put their own apps out there for free. This is the HUGE mistake that so many are making when they look at this. Apple is spending a massive amount of money developing the platform and corresponding APIs. As a business, they are entitled to be compensated for that work. It doesn't cost Apple $0 to put Apple Music on the App Store. It cost them a ton of money to build the platform that made that possible. What you are saying is that Apple should spend all the money to build the platform and APIs and Spotify should pay $0.
Maybe instead of pulling out of the EU they'll raise the prices in the EU to reduce iPhone usage here and that'll make them no longer considered as "gatekeepers", all while keeping their profits high.
Apple products are already much more expensive here than in the US...
Apple products are already much more expensive here than in the US...
Apple's anticompetitive practices are finally coming back to bite them in the ass. They are getting what they deserve.