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Video: Scott Ransom vs Orbea Rallon - Which Lightweight Enduro Bike Is Best?

Jun 17, 2024
by Seb Stott  


What's the ultimate do-it-all MTB? If you want a long-travel bike capable of taking on the toughest enduro courses and bike parks but still want something that climbs well enough to pedal all day, these bikes should be on your shortlist.

The 2024 Scott Ransom and Orbea Rallon are highly capable enduro bikes with 170 mm of suspension at each end, yet both are relatively lightweight and highly efficient on the climbs. But which is best?

The models we have for this test are unapologetically premium, but both have less expensive stablemates and either one is versatile enough to be the only mountain bike you need.

We have full reviews of the Orbea and Scott , but this article goes deep on how the two bikes compare.

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2024 Orbea Rallon M-Team
• 167 mm travel, 170 mm fork
• 29" wheels or mullet
• 63.5-64° head tube angle
• Flip chip
• 76.9°° seat angle (measured, high setting)
• Reach: 510mm (XL)
• Chainstay length: 440mm
• Measured weight: 15.1 kg / 33.3 lb (XL)
• MSRP: $7,999 US/ €7,499 / £7,999
• More info: orbea.com
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2024 Scott Ransom 900 RC
• 170 mm travel, 170 mm fork
• 29" wheels or mullet
• 63.8 - 65° head tube angle
• Angleset
• 77.4° seat angle (measured)
• Reach: 508mm (XL)
• Chainstay length: 440 mm
• Measured weight: 15.5kg / 34.2lb (XL)
• MSRP: $9,999 US / €9,999 / £8,599
• More info: scott-sports.com

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Features and details


First, let’s take a look at the unique features of both bikes.

The Scott was completely redesigned earlier this year, and the main story is that Scott hid the shock inside the downtube to match their other bikes, using a six-bar suspension system to make that work. They got rid of any lockout on the fork, but it still has the Trac Loc system on the shock that firms it up for climbing with a remote on the handlebar.

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The Orbea Rallon was subtly updated at the end of last year, becoming half a degree slacker and increasing rear wheel travel to 167 mm. One cool thing is that Orbea allows you to customise the paint and parts on their website - I specified a 35 mm rise handlebar, 40 mm stem and 230 mm dropper post.

Weighed as they came, the Orbea is very slightly lighter, but part of that is down to the tire spec - the Orbea came with EXO+ tires front and rear while the Ransom had a DoubleDown out back. With the same wheels and tires fitted the weight is almost identical.

The Scott is more expensive if you’re paying in dollars, but here in the UK, there’s not much in it. And while this is the top-tier Ransom, there is an even more expensive version of the Rallon which goes for $11,000 or £11,400. On the other hand, both bikes are available with less expensive build kits, but Orbea is probably offering better value at the lower end of the range. As for the models we have on test, neither could be described as good value and both fit into the money-no-object category.

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Specs

Both have a full-carbon frame, Fox Factory suspension and alloy wheels. Both have moderately useful in-frame storage and the option to run a 27.5” rear wheel, although only Orbea will let you buy it with one.

The Scott has an adjustable headset offering 1.2 degrees of head angle adjustment, while the Orbea has a flip chip to adjust the angle of the whole front triangle by half a degree and the BB height by 7 mm. But if you go for a 27.5" rear wheel, the shock extender for a mullet setup only lets you run it in low mode.

The top-spec Ransom uses SRAM’s X0 Transmission gears and Code Ultimate brakes with 2 mm thick rotors that seem to improve consistency and bite. This second-tier Rallon makes do with Shimano's XT mechanical drivetrain which I have no problem with, but the Shimano XT brakes had a wondering bite point even after bleeding - I preferred the brakes on the Scott.

On the subject of spec it’s worth noting that Orbea allow you to choose either these EXO+ trail casing tires from Maxxis or the downhill versions. I’d much rather have their Double Down enduro casing. That's what you get on the rear of the Scott, albeit with an EXO+ on the front, but I think this is a good all-rounder setup for most people.

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Climbing

Both of these bikes are very impressive when it comes to climbing and covering ground. I don’t mean they’re better than you’d think considering the travel - I mean they’re better than a lot of trail bikes. They’re lighter than many trail bikes and both manage to keep pedal bob in check well even with the shocks fully open.

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The Orbea has a climb switch on the left-hand side.
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The Scott's shock/dropper remote is more intuitive to use than you'd think.

The Scott has the Trac Loc lever under the bar. When you push it once it makes the air spring more progressive by reducing its volume. I barely notice the difference while climbing - the effect is more noticeable when you’re pushing into a berm or pumping. That can be for flow trails but I barely use it for climbing. Push it again though and it firms up the compression damping, which I do sometimes use for a long smooth climb, just because it’s so easy to use you might as well. Ad in a race situation, I could see that being a benefit for those mid-stage sprints. The Orbea has a climb switch too, but it’s harder to reach so it’s less useful.

With the shocks left open, both bikes pedal equally well.

The real difference is in the seat tube angle. With the saddle set to my pedalling height, I measured the Orbea’s effective seat angle at 76.4 (low) or 76.9 (high), while the Scott is 77.4 degrees. So even in the steeper setting, the Rallon puts your weight slightly further back than the Ransom.

I did some back-to-back tests comparing the Orbea’s high and low settings on a loop with a steep climb and descent, and the high setting was better for me. In the low setting, I feel too off the back - I can’t get the power down as easily or control the front end on the steepest uphill sections. Fortunately, the high setting isn’t too high for descending. In fact, the BB is still about 7 mm lower than the Scott’s, and the head angle is only slightly steeper. I preferred the high setting on the Orbea - it’s noticeably better for climbing and I wouldn’t say it’s any worse for descending.

But with the Scott, the seat angle is another half a degree steeper, and that’s what gives it the edge for me when it comes to climbing.

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Descending

I got on well with the Ransom from the first ride. It's easy to use the external sag indicator to set the sag, though I did end up softening the spring pressures until I had around 33% sag. I also ran the compression damping fully open for the most part. This gives a nicely balanced suspension feel, with good suppleness and support deeper into the stroke. It feels settled on steep terrain and tracks the ground well enough, while still avoiding harsh bottom-outs on big landings. The extra sag also helps compensate for the BB which is a little on the high side, at least compared to the Orbea.

The Rallon had me scratching my head a bit more. The shock has more adjustments but I couldn’t get it to feel as supple as the Ransom. I then measured the usable travel of both bikes by compressing the suspension with a ratchet strap, and the Orbea was only giving me 159 mm at the point where the ratchet strap was maxed out. There may be a bit more travel available if bottomed out really hard, but when tested in the same way the Scott was giving me 172 mm of travel. This probably explains a lot of the difference in suspension feel, because, on paper, the kinematics are much the same. I think the Fox X2's bottom-out bumper is making it hard or impossible to use all the travel and making the suspension feel more restricted when compared to the Scott, which slightly over-delivers on travel by my measurements.

Geometry-wise, the bikes are remarkably similar. The main difference is the Rallon is a little bit lower (even in the high mode, which is what I used most often). But I never felt the Ransom was too high once I’d increased the sag to 33%. The ability to run the Rallon extra low is a potential advantage for riding especially steep trails with tight turns.

But while both bikes are solid descenders with well-judged geometry, the Ransom’s suspension is noticeably more forgiving on bigger hits thanks to the extra travel, and it's easier to set up too.

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Verdict

To sum up, I’m thoroughly impressed with the versatility of both bikes. They both allow you to attack the toughest climbs and roughest descents without feeling compromised in either setting. But for me, the Scott Ransom is the better-performing bike both uphill or downhill.

The Ransom's hidden shock protects it from mud and grit, potentially reducing service requirements, but overall it's probably harder to live with thanks to its headset cable routing and two extra pivots,

So which would I buy with my own money? Well neither - I’d probably look at an entry-level Canyon Strive or Merida One-Sixty for half the price, but then I am the sort of person who buys own-brand baked beans. Money-no-object? The Ransom is the best all-rounder enduro bike I’ve tested so far.



Testing Info



Though I rode the Ransom in the rock and dust of Spain (pictured) I tested both bikes extensively in the mud and roots of Scotland, mostly using my local trails in the Tweed Valley. This allowed me to compare them directly to one another - sometimes riding both bikes on the same trails on the same day. It also made it possible to get a sense of how they stack up against other modern enduro bikes. I had both bikes on test simultaneously for two months so I often faced the dilemma of which to take out. It's a tough job, I know.

I rode them on a wide range of terrain, including steep climbs that are more often pushed than ridden, rocky downhill tracks (e.g. "Classic" and Matador"), bermy trail centers and plenty of tight rooty tech.
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Seb Stott
Location: Tweed Valley, Scotland
Age: 31
Height: 6'3" / 191cm
Inseam: 37" / 93cm
Weight: 187 lbs / 85 kg, kitted



Which of these bikes would you most like to own?



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89 Comments
  • 71 2
 PB: Hey Seb, here are two new enduro bikes, what do you think of them?
SS: They're both great!
PB: So which one would you buy?
SS: Neither of them
PB: What?
SS: Give me Tesco Baked Beans
PB:....
  • 1 0
 Realistically, what's the difference between private label baked beans and "premium" baked beans (whatever the hell that means)?

They're still baked beans.
  • 2 0
 @boozed: I won't eat the low salt and sugar ones (XC beans?) and some of the very cheap supermarket ones are like eating hand grenade shrapnel. All others are exactly the same and anyone who tells you otherwise is a filthy liar.
  • 1 0
 @codfather1234: Nah Beans are like ketchup, when they're bad they're really bad.
You can find posh ones for way too much money but they don't hit the same nostalgia the real ones do.

Heinz is top tier or a decent supermarket own brand is a very close second
  • 1 0
 @boozed: you have no idea man, no idea. As an Englishman I will ONLY eat English baked beans
  • 64 3
 Easy winner here, just say no to cable tourism with your wallet. It's the only way "the industry" will learn we don't want it.
  • 16 1
 Now before I get unpleasant responses, I don't like headset cable routing either. But I wonder how many people outside of here actually care. If there's some numbers on sales for bikes with headset vs external routing. I'm willing to bet that average Joe bike buyer doesn't care either way. And to add on, is probably more impressed with the cables disappearing into the headset.
  • 5 6
 And press fit BB as the cherry on top.
  • 5 1
 @everythingsucks: I wonder how many people outside here would even consider such a bike?
  • 12 3
 100% agreed. Cable tourism is an instant hard pass for me.

I'm actually shocked that the Ransom is currently leading over the Rallon in the poll.
  • 5 3
 @everythingsucks: true, although the average Joe will start to care when takes the bike back to the shop for some noise in the Headset and the bill is 250$ instead of 40 for a couple bearings, plus ruined brake hoses that will eventually need to be replaced, saw steerer tube and so on, cause let's admit it, there is no way around that crap, sooner or later it will happen
  • 7 5
 Not as bad as people make it out to be..... Have you owned one?
  • 15 2
 @Snowytrail: a properly made BB shell will make PF better than BSA... its not the standard, its the quality of frames we accept.
  • 2 0
 @HeatedRotor: absolutely right, it should be easier for them to make a press fit bb work well in a carbon frame than a bsa bb since they don't have to worry about bonding in threads. For alloy frames threaded all the way, no reason to not just cut some threads in them.
  • 3 0
 @eae903: I like PF in alloy frames more as its easy to machine a round hole vs relying on a brand to manually check their clearance on a carbon frame and do manual work to fix it.(shops can fix them anyway)
  • 2 2
 inside routing hasn't fitted in the public, but you'd freak out on how many standards have been introduced without a clear benefit. See 35mm clamp carbon handlebars
  • 3 0
 @everythingsucks: yeah. Here's my hot take: People who fork out a lot of money on bikes and whom value for money plays less of a role, are probably also likely to take their bikes in for a service or to have new parts fitted.
  • 2 2
 I love that the cables are hidden. I’d only buy a bike at that price if it was hidden. I love how my Scott Genus looks and feels.
  • 3 2
 @HeatedRotor: ^This. My 8 Scotts with PFbb have been problem free. Same with the 3 that have headset cabling.
  • 2 1
 i want to agree with you but in NW England at the moment it feels like it's not stopped raining since last September, a weatherproof rear shock could be a real bonus
  • 1 0
 @Snowytrail: pressfit BB is easy especially thanks to Wheels MFG and their screw together press fit system.
  • 3 2
 @lkubica: Pinkbike users are something like 2% of the MTB population. Most of the >$7K MTBs I've ever sold were to guys and gals that most definitely aren't on here. They also don't work on their own bikes and don't care about whether a bike is easy to work on. They want a bike that looks good, rides good, and gets compliments from their riding buddies.

Do these buyer's "need" this much bike? Probably not, just like they probably don't need their M5s and Raptors. It's a little bit of a flex and a little bit of wanting nice things or nicer things than the rest of us.
  • 27 1
 Can't believe they forgot to include "I already own both " as one of the options in the poll. I guess I'll have to skip this one.
  • 27 3
 The Ransom is just in the brand lineup to convince ebike customers that their bike looks like the non-motorized counterpart.
  • 3 0
 Or to address customers who want to ride bio but still get all the ebike hate
  • 14 0
 and though I never thought it would come to this...here we are at the day that Orbea makes a Scott bike look like a pregnant salamander...the apocalypse must be upon us...
  • 15 0
 And..... Orbea does NOT have cable tourism...
  • 13 0
 I usually like Scott.....but this thing looks like a fat storm trooper. I've tried Scott's shock adjuster lever and it works well. The problem is it makes using the dropper difficult and unnatural. Also, just say No to proprietary shocks and headset cable routing.
  • 2 1
 @HciNGPDo: fat storm trooper... Bwahaha! lol
  • 2 0
 @bman33: it has a beautiful (NOT) long yoke tho
  • 8 2
 Crazy how lightweight is now 34lbs. In the early days of the EWS, I remember it being fairly common to see sub 30lb enduro rigs on the circuit (even ones with DH air shocks, DH casing tires etc.). Know the demands of the sport have changed and these machines are much better performing than the ones used in 2018, but still an interesting trend (and, one that has also trickled down into trail bikes -- tough to find sub 30lb bikes in that category now too, which I'm not sure is a good thing).
  • 3 1
 Meanwhile I think the lightest bike measured in the last article was like 34.Xlbs and it was a transition. All the others were 37-40lbs.

But when exo tires save like 600 grams over DD/DH casing it’s so easy for brands to save weight in the tires.
  • 7 0
 In fairness, back then bikes had less suspension, were a bit shorter, and had narrower wheels and less beefy tires.
  • 2 0
 It's all a ploy to make ebikes lighter by comparison
  • 5 1
 Great review, Seb. I love the customization aspect of the Orbea! Heard they are a really cool company that allows their employees to progress based on their performance on the job. Scott bikes are dope too, so many good options these days.
  • 7 0
 Very good article and super straight/honest verdict!
  • 3 0
 Cool to see an article focused on well-rounded heavy hitters. Over the last ten years, the performance envelope of this type of bike has expanded hugely in BOTH directions. I wonder how much farther we can push - as the category settles, will we see 30lb enduro bikes someday? Adaptive geometry, like the Ransom or Strive? Making a 170mm bike pedal as well as a 130mm bike is a lot easier than making it equally responsive, but we've gained so much ground in the first area.
  • 9 2
 No motors how are us obese Americans supposed to get uphill
  • 5 0
 Shuttles, duh
  • 1 2
 You are not alone! Just ook at average German or British citizens...
  • 6 3
 @Sebstott, the one thing I find missing, is that you talk about seat angle, and it being better for (steep)climbing. And then you go straight into descending.
That makes it sound as if steep angles are universally better. Of course, in the real world they are not, because they are uncomfortable on flat and low angle pedaling sections.

Otherwise, a great video as usual.
  • 4 0
 Enduro bikes are for enduro terrain, not for flat and low angle pedaling sections.
  • 3 0
 Nice job on the video. Only Critiques. When you talking about a particular bike stand next to that bike. For the bikes 1) tire clearance, 2) max dropper insertion 3) Frame flex.
  • 7 5
 Cable tourism, a mess of pivots, levers and no real reason for a hidden shock (or cables) on the Scott. No thanks. The Orbea's performance would have to be complete dreck to even make me consider the Scott. Otherwise, I'd have to have a dedicated service team to keep up with the maintenance on the Scott.
  • 5 1
 Cable tourism, press fit BB, fiddly shock adjustment, and electronic shifting on the Scott: no thanks. Orbea is the easy choice for me of these 2.
  • 2 0
 I really don't like integration and headset routing, but ironically I quite like the ransom because it goes all in into that route (as much as I like Starlings because they go in the complete opposite direction) . It looks like a bike from an (impractical) future.
  • 9 8
 Internal cable routing: The number of times I've had to replace housing makes this a non-issue. I'm sure as the tech gets refined it'll become easier, and the complaints will dwindle. The single piece stem/bars is a an odd choice. So many riders customize their bars and stem, so I'm curious how many space bar/stems there are in a parts bin somewhere.

With suspension setup, how often should riders recheck their settings? It's fascinating that the measured travel of both bikes is so different. Under deliver vs. over deliver.

As a fan of design details, that Scott is pretty awesome.
  • 13 1
 Internal cable routing if fine. Headset cable routing thru the headset bearings (AKA: Cable Toursim) is a BS way to 'look cool' to the uninformed and reduce the price of the frames a few dollars. The manufactures combletely know this.
  • 12 1
 Oh, Scott puts garbage headsets in their bikes. Their design funnels water right onto the top bearing. It'll have to be replaced. Be prepared to disconnect your brake hose and shock cable to replace it. Plus, their angleset is made of the lowest quality Chinese plastic that they could find. The bottom cup easily falls out when doing any work to the front end of the bike, and the little keys that make sure the headset cups are installed straight are easily destroyed. Other than that, it looks cool.
  • 7 0
 @packfill: I would never spend money on a bike from a company that skimps out on bearings and annoying to live with parts. I get a cheap saddle or tires. Those are easy to replace but not bearings. f*ck that even if PB reviewers always ignore parts that relate to regular long term use so a lot of mfg's have more review friendly builds.
  • 2 1
 why are you replacing housing?
  • 1 0
 A bit curious to know how other people are running their Fox 38 forks as far as PSI. I am roughly the same dimension as Seb (although, admittedly, probably not quite as fast) with a body weight of about 190 lbs. with my hip pack and helmet. Currently, I am running about 88-90 PSI with fairly open LSC/HSC and mid-range HSR/LSR.

I tried running much lower PSI in a recent ride (84), and while this was more comfortable, it was a bit too soft and resulted in 3 understeer/off line events during a ride at speed. After bumping up to 90 PSI, the fork felt way more precise and reliable in terms of steering performance, but I felt absolutely worked at the bottom of a 13 minute descent.

Input/advice appreciated! Smile
  • 3 0
 More air less tokens has been my approach, much better than dropping pressure
  • 2 0
 fox forks with grip 2 always feel better with higher psi, less tokens & ensuring the rebound is fast enough.
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: appreciate the feedback. I'll check my token status today.
  • 1 0
 @pnww: this is the way. Start with 0-1 tokens and add as needed. More tokens isn't a flex.
  • 3 1
 There's been a fair bit of noise both in the PB and in other comment sections/forums about the Orbea eating shocks. Was that a real problem, and if so, is it still with this new version?
  • 2 0
 For all those who tucked my current bike is perfect, what are you riding?

For me it's a YT Jeffsy Pro Carbon and it's the best thing I've ever pointed down or up a hill.

Interested in others though!
  • 4 2
 i'm so impressed by the amount of people that would own the Scott, everything integrated, pain to work on, shit cable tourism, plastic headset and spacers, why would anyone own that D:
  • 1 0
 I always wonder that for this sort of money, why would you choose an off-the-shelf big brand bike, rather than a boutique frame and custom build? That would certainly be my preference. Support a smaller brand, get something a bit more interesting/unique and cherry pick your spec.
  • 1 0
 Nice comparison:
Two questions about the Ransom:

Would you use the standard handlebar, how does it compare to a One Up carbon handlebar?

How does the shock on the Ransom compare to the Rallon, was it adequate? Or is an exchange to the X2 or Super Deluxe a good idea?

thanks :-)
  • 4 0
 so Seb Stott can you get that 230 dropper in the Scott?
  • 1 1
 Sorry but I'm not sorry, neither of these bikes are "lightweight enduro bikes"..... I'll stick with my lightweight 28.3lb 165/170 enduro bike, soon to be a porky 28.55lbs with a EXT Storia LOK V4 coil. And yes, that's with pedals, a cage, a rear insert, 200mm 1Up V3 dropper, MT7 brakes w/203 rotors and 1040gr 2.6 rubber.
  • 1 1
 Regarding suspension setup, it seems very weird that a heavy and aggressive rider like Seb would rund the compression damping on the Scott fully open?
If that is the correct setting for him, what are lighter and less aggressive riders supposed to run? The suspension would feel bad for them guaranteed.
  • 1 0
 I wanna know who the 17 people are who claim to already own a '24 Ransom. Mine is on order. Fairclaw & Dangerholm are the only two I've seen in possession of one.
  • 1 0
 Lighter, $2K cheaper; Orbea for me. I prefer the lower shock, steeper SA, tho.
  • 1 0
 all the modern bikes are probably just as good, i cant see the reason why whould someone spend soo much money ...
  • 3 4
 I had a previous gen Ransom and loved it. But the new one looks like a motor bike which is a hard no from me. Then you add in headset cables and not able to fit a coil shock ? That's a Viagra hard "no" from me.
  • 3 0
 You can fit a coil without any issue, unlike the previous one.
  • 1 0
 @Eneite: ok thx, glad to know I'm wrong about that.
  • 2 2
 I'd dream to have a 15kg enduro bike, but I do prefer my heavier Raaw Madonna because it has a soul, it's aluminium, durable, well thought, and it's kind of beautiful.
  • 1 0
 I'm curious how tough the Scott bottom bracket area is, what happens if you case this bike hard with that shock down low ?
  • 1 1
 With the cover off it shows how vulnerable the shock is to impacts.
  • 2 1
 I'll never buy a bike with that stupid gimmicky headset routing. I'd rather have full external routing.
  • 1 0
 I take a more relaxed view, if the issue is solved electronically with AXS components, then a cable is needed for the rear brake.
  • 3 0
 My Scor is nice
  • 2 0
 Hey @seb-stott, why's the vid not on YouTube?
  • 4 2
 Seb does great reviews.
  • 3 2
 So are either of these vastly better than the Enduro?
  • 2 1
 The Ransom looks like an emtb. eww
  • 1 0
 One wanders if they'll ever get the 'wondering bite point' sorted.
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