Descending I felt comfortable quickly on the Rallon thanks to the self-selected high-rise bar, long dropper post and 40mm stem. The shock needed some fettling to unlock the best performance and improve suppleness, but it was never the bump-swallowing "mini DH bike" that the 167mm travel would suggest. I rode it back-to-back with the Scott Ransom, which has similar suspension and geometry numbers, and the Scott felt a little more comfortable on rough terrain and big hits.
I measured the useable travel after this test and discovered I was struggling to get more than 159 mm of squish out of the Rallon (the Scott over-delivered at 172 mm measured in the same way), The helped explain the difference in plushness between the bikes. It's not that the Rallon is harsh, but it's not a plow. The X2 has a substantial bottom-out bumper, which in this case probably restricts the useable travel and makes the suspension less good at soaking up the big hits than you might expect from the quoted travel. The combination of a progressive linkage, air spring and bottom-out bumper which affects a significant fraction of the end-stroke add up to make the Rallon less good at erasing bumps than some bikes in this travel bracket.
Don't get me wrong: the small-bump sensitivity is good, (really good if you optimise the shock setup for it) it just feels like a 160 mm travel bike rather than 167 mm, because that's effectively what it is. The flip side is that there's no hint of harshness when you get to the end of the (usable) travel on a heavy landing (I have a 2-meter drop with a flat-ish landing that I use to test this), and there's plenty of support deep in the stroke when pushing into a berm or compression. Pump or pedal out of a corner and the support is there to get you going quickly.
I tried both high and low settings, but I didn't have a strong preference on the descents. Even on tight twisty steeps, where I usually prefer lower bikes, I didn't notice much benefit to the low setting, and in the higher setting the suspension felt more balanced through flatter sections and berms. The high setting is noticeably better for climbing too, so that's what I used most. But even then, the BB is low and the head angle is slack, so it's very stable and surefooted on steep and techy trails. The low mode is there if you want it, but the high setting offers a great balance for climbing and descending that you can set and forget.
On flatter sections and flow trails the Rallon offers good support and balanced handling, making it easy to carry speed. It responds well to pedal inputs too, making it as rewarding on faster, less demanding trails as it is on steep and gnarly ones. If a Rallon was your only bike you wouldn't wish for a trail bike to go with it.
wow, 77 is not steep enough? 90?
- The shock's bottom-out bumper restricts access to the full 167 mm of travel, and makes the suspension less forgiving than some long-travel rivals
last 7mm of travel is a gift from Orbea, basicaly it is 160mm travel frame, yeah
- Not the best value, especially if you're buying in the UK
it's best value in Spain, you need to fly with Ryanair/Easyjet from Britain to Barcelona/Alicante etc, get yourself some sun and pick up an Orbea! Saludo!
Bike reviews are ridiculous!
Screw the extra weight I've gone full coil on everything forever, less thinking the better.
All the little deficits like a degree of seat angle and 5-10 mm of chain stay/ rear centre are really noticeable and exacerbated by the leverage effect that our height and leg length bring to the physics of bike set up.
I think a lot of the XL frames that do adjust for the taller rider are actually computer modelled but the best frames were also test ridden by a properly tall and capable rider (eg one of Norco's design engineers is 193-195 cm tall).
On an XL in that travel category 78º-79º is better and probably the minimum.
Bollocks! Looks exactly like the 2022 model that Matt Beer reviewed 2 years ago. Even the published kinematics curves match. Which makes me doubt whether Seb had read that review before taking this on.
My bike (and yours RoboDuck) came with a 230x60mm shock and 160mm of travel.
The "new" model comes with a 230x62.5mm shock and 167mm of travel
If you do a three simple rule (62.5x160)/60=166.6(6) and according to an orbea dealer I spoke to, all the part numbers for any frame parts (front triangle, linkage, rear triangle bits...) are the exact same so it won't matter if you're ordering it for a 2022 or 2024.
On the R5 they've developed a new link to increase travel and progression and made it available for whoever wanted to upgrade which was great. This is just patetitc.
My only really complaint with the bike is some rattling from the storage door.
The first pic says it all there
Since then: No further changes to the frame despite using shocks with more travel.
Afaik it is even possible to run 65mm of shock stroke anyways. So stay tuned for the Rallon 2026 ;-)
And this seems like an excellent bike for tons of riders. For all those who do a lot of climbing but still want a bike that can tackle anything on the way down. E.g. everyone living in alpine regions.
In fact thinking about that statement some more... do you really think it is possible that there is a widespread issue with a frame that has been mass produced for 4 years now?
A pretty solid reason not to buy one, besides the cracking, would be the amount of bearings they use, and how quickly they go through them. I'm not trying to hate on them; they are clearly a great performing bike, but they do have more than their fair share of issues relative to other bikes we sell.
I can't possibly fathom that the 2024 Enduros are lemons. There's just no way that a big brand would mass produce a bike for 4 years running if it was a statistical anomaly in warranty rates.
Also don't forget that nobody goes to their shop to let everyone know their bike is running great. While you have the benefit of knowing the bikes inside and out, you also have a very skewed/jaded view of them since pretty much everyone walking in your door is there because they have a problem.
We have sold about 140 at our location since 2019, and I have seen about 20 with some form of cracking (not including crash replacements). So about 14%. I would say that is pretty bad for a modern day bike, especially considering the R&D budget the big S has. In fact, when the S-works Enduro launched, it had a carbon link, which was SUPER prone to breaking. Spesh made a running change and just put the normal link from the lower end frames on and called it a day. I'm by no means saying they are lemons, and our terrain here (North Shore and Sea to Sky) is obviously known to be pretty hard on bikes. But relative to our other brands, the Enduro specifically had its fair share of issues. The big issue is that we had one actually catastrophically fail at the headtube from honest normal use JRA down a trail. Something I haven't seen from any other brand we carry in a LONG time. As I mentioned, other bikes definitely crack, but they were usually in a specific area across all of those frames. In other words, it's an isolated issue that can be (and was) easily rectified with a running change. When you find cracks all over the bike from various different riders, then there is a bigger design flaw at hand.
I'm not anti- Spesh. I have had an Enduro, and two drop bar bikes from them. I also think they are leading the way with E-bikes as a whole package.
S-sizing is marketing. People get sucked into brand's size guides, and then think they HAVE to be on a large because the brands SiZe ChArT sAiD sO. People could probably squeeze between two sizes depending on preferences and be totally fine. It doesn't matter if it's called Medium or Large vs S3 or S4. If you want playful, size down, if you want stability, size up.
I think you have that backwards? Although the anti-rise is overall fairly low and linear/flat post sag so I imagine it would be predictable.
Has anyone tested this? Is it caliper or lever or both? I’m about to go buy a Deore brakeset!
It’s not restricted to caliper or lever, but rather to the interaction between the two.
Many people use Putoline HPX 2.5 suspension oil. There have been some reports that in the long run (several years), caliper seals swell and grow soft when run with Putoline.
Agree that the comment regarding rotors seems kind of clueless.
Does that transform my 2022 Rallon to a 2024 one?
Thanks
Brexshit apart, you've got plenty of nice brands across the Channel... which are not the best value for us living on the other side of that bloody Channel. Everything is relative once again. Cheers from Frogsland
The best thing of all is that it didn't have silly cables running through my headset or a shock buried in my frame. I'd rather go with my girlfriend to HomeSense on a Saturday to pick up crafting supplies than be subjected to owning a bike with those features. Lord Jesus please, I'll take the Specialized Enduro looking, single/ split pivot whatever, vanilla Orbea every time before the over engineered Scott.
Heading into the second season, the bike rides consistently from Whistler Bike Park to 7 hour pedal missions. It does everything I want from it and doesn't act up but it's not perfect... the bottle cage/ down tube port rattles in the lightest breeze, the multi tool was useless (thankfully doing everyone a favour and fell out on the second ride), and the down tube storage door needs to be bigger so I can get one bag of Haribo gummies inside.
All of those issues could be overlooked except for one last one... It would get hung up on small/mid sized hits. I tried upgrading to coil with only some minimal luck. I was debating getting something else this year until I put an O-Chain onto it.... HOLY SHIT. The bike now motors over everything and is still a pleasure to climb.
www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=248057&pagenum=1#commentid7230377
www.reddit.com/r/MTB/comments/1by60p8/warning_orbea_rallon_snapped_shock_strutmount
for example
Race bikes are usually covered in non-spec parts that make them heavier. I’d say 34lbs for a bone stock bike is pretty normal.
That's my point. The weight on this Orbea isn't for a bike that's got all the things strapped to it, it's the bone stock bike. 34lbs is about in the ballpark for most similar enduro bikes. It ain't that light.
A lot of people would be way better served by a 28 pounds, 140-150/130-140, 29/mx.
Also, climb switches for rear shocks exist and work. Regardless of what this guy said all the time
Funny thing is I have the Orbea Wild and I think that is one of the better looking e-bikes (disclaimer, I think all e-bikes are ugly)