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Highlighting: "No one can own the basic idea for a story. General plot ideas are not protected by copyright law; they remain forever the common property of artistic mankind," the verdict concluded." (Judge Marilyn Hall Patel) ----- For any who didn't understand, it is lawsuits like this that explain why no entertainment studio will take outside pitches anymore. It is not worth the hassle. This reminds me of the God of War lawsuit that Sony got dismissed. You can't own ideas, only implementation. ----- Hollywood Reporter: "Judge Dismisses ‘Fake Famous’ Idea Theft Lawsuit A producer who had been shopping a title called 'Instafamous' alleged that the HBO project had infringed upon his pitch for "a documentary-style TV show incorporating an underlying faux-dating show competition.” (JULY 10, 2024) A New York judge has dismissed a lawsuit against Warner Bros. Discovery from a producer, who claimed that he originated an idea for the premise behind HBO‘s Fake Famous documentary and Max reality series FBoy Island. The producer, Jack Piuggi, said he shopped a reality TV show titled Instafamous, which was pitched as “a documentary-style TV show incorporating an underlying faux-dating show competition” to “expose the superficiality” of Instagram dating culture. His lawsuit, filed last year in New York district court, alleged that defendants, conspired against him to create “similarly themed” TV projects, which resulted in Fake Famous and FBoy Island. Piuggi, whose banner is titled Flipp Productions, brought claims for copyright infringement, breach of contract and unjust enrichment. In a July 2 order, U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero dismissed the lawsuit, finding that Piuggi’s “vague and conclusory allegations of unspecified copying are insufficient” to “plausibly plead a substantial similarity between Instafamous and HBO’s shows at issue.” Hollywood Reporter: https://lnkd.in/g4AZBgxa ----- GamesIndustryBiz: "Sony prevails in copyright lawsuit over God of War. Judge rules that basic idea for a story cannot be owned" (Kath Brice) (March 18, 2010) Sony and game designer David Jaffe have prevailed in a court battle against screenplay writers who claimed that God of War infringed on their copyright. Jonathan Bissoon-Dath and Jennifer Dath said that they conceived the idea behind the game God of War, having submitted two treatments and two screenplays based on a story involving a Spartan attack on Athens and the resulting effort by the Greek Gods to restore peace. But Judge Marilyn Hall Patel ruled against the pair in her verdict, concluding there were key differences between their story and Sony's, and that the basic idea for a story cannot be owned anyway. "No one can own the basic idea for a story. General plot ideas are not protected by copyright law; they remain forever the common property of artistic mankind," the verdict concluded." GamesIndustry: https://lnkd.in/gRBtss68 #gameindustry #filmindustry #hollywood #originalip #iplegal

So Saudi Arabia wants to host the Olympic Esports Games. I have a few questions. How will the Saudis handle LGBT+ folks? And women? And any religion or country they don't agree with? This is how esports will grow? With a repressive regime that might jail participants or scare them from traveling to events? How is this healthy for esports? How do female competitors participate if they have to be chaperoned by male participants? Will the Saudis check participants' social media? ----- The game industry is changing globally, and its getting more diverse, because EVERYONE plays games. ESA Essential Facts 2024: https://lnkd.in/gwwkFjrF ----- VideoGameChronicle: "Olympics agrees 12-year deal with Saudi Arabia for Esports Games. THE INAUGURAL OLYMPIC ESPORTS GAMES WILL TAKE PLACE NEXT YEAR" "The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has announced a 12-year agreement to host the Olympic Esports Games in Saudi Arabia. The partnership between the IOC and the Saudi NOC will see the Olympic Esports Games held regularly, the pair said in an announcement on Friday, with the inaugural event taking place in 2025. Saudi Arabia has invested heavily in eSports, most recently holding the Esports World Cup in Riyadh. “We are very fortunate to be able to work with the Saudi NOC on the Olympic Esports Games, because it has great – if not unique – expertise in the field of esports with all its stakeholders. The Olympic Esports Games will greatly benefit from this experience,” said IOC President Thomas Bach. “By partnering with the Saudi NOC we have also ensured that the Olympic values are respected, in particular, with regard to the game titles on the programme, the promotion of gender equality and engagement with the young audience, which is embracing esports.” HRH Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Faisal, Minister of Sport and President of the Saudi Arabian Olympic and Paralympic Committee, added: “Saudi Arabia is hugely excited by the prospect of partnering with the IOC and helping to welcome a completely new era for international sport. “We believe that to take part in the Olympic Games is one of the greatest honours any athlete can achieve. And we are proud to support the writing of a new chapter in Olympic history that has the potential to inspire new dreams and new ambitions for literally millions of athletes around the world.” The kingdom’s Public Investment Fund (PIF) has made a series of investments in the video games industry in recent years and is central to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s goal of making the Saudi economy less reliant on proceeds from oil. The PIF has stakes in EA, Take-Two, Nintendo and more. PIF’s continued investments in video game companies may raise concerns for some, given Saudi Arabia’s longstanding history of human rights abuses. Many critics have accused it of “sportswashing” to improve its international reputation." VideoGameChronicle: https://lnkd.in/g5EDfHB5 #gameindustry #saudiarabia #olympics #olympicgames #esports

Superhuman? AGI? ASI? Nope. AI is still amusingly basic. That's okay. Its easy to find flaws in any AI system because they aren't adaptable. For all the AGI talk it isn't around the corner. Just more AI with more flaws. How hard will the AI bubble crash when suckers stop believing that either AGI or ASI is close? ----- ArsTechnica: “Superhuman” Go AIs still have trouble defending against these simple exploits. Plugging up "worst-case" algorithmic holes is proving more difficult than expected." (Kyle Orland) (July 12, 2024) In the Chinese game of Go, state-of-the-art artificial intelligence has generally been able to defeat the best human players since at least 2016. But in the last few years, researchers have discovered flaws in these top-level AI Go algorithms that give humans a fighting chance. By using unorthodox "cyclic" strategies—ones that even a beginning human player could detect and defeat—a crafty human can often exploit gaps in a top-level AI's strategy and fool the algorithm into a loss. Researchers at MIT and FAR AI wanted to see if they could improve this "worst case" performance in otherwise "superhuman" AI Go algorithms, testing a trio of methods to harden the top-level KataGo algorithm's defenses against adversarial attacks. The results show that creating truly robust, unexploitable AIs may be difficult, even in areas as tightly controlled as board games. These attacking algorithms were laser-focused on discovering exploitable weaknesses in an otherwise performant AI algorithm, even if those simple attack strategies would lose to most human players. Those exploitable holes highlight the importance of evaluating "worst-case" performance in AI systems, even when the "average-case" performance can seem downright superhuman. On average, KataGo can dominate even high-level human players using traditional strategies. But in the worst case, otherwise "weak" adversaries can find holes in the system that make it fall apart. It's easy to extend this kind of thinking to other types of generative AI systems. LLMs that can succeed at some complex creative and reference tasks might still utterly fail when confronted with trivial math problems (or even get "poisoned" by prompts). Visual AI models that can describe and analyze complex photos may nonetheless fail horribly when presented with basic geometric shapes. This shows that determined "adversaries" can often discover new holes in an AI algorithm's performance much more quickly and easily than that algorithm can evolve to fix those problems. And if that's true in Go, it might be even more true in less controlled environments. "The key takeaway for AI is that these vulnerabilities will be difficult to eliminate,” FAR CEO Adam Gleave told Nature. "If we can’t solve the issue in a simple domain like Go, then in the near-term there seems little prospect of patching similar issues like jailbreaks in ChatGPT." ArsTechnica: https://lnkd.in/gutzAfpp #ai #aifail #fakeai #genai #degenai

Existing AI, not just generative AI, but many varieties of ML are fairly terrible at adapting. And they're easily fooled by humans. This is why AGI is a holy grail. The thing is holy grails are mythical concepts to quest for but ultimately not reach. The people promising AGI are promising a holy grail to tech the same way that the holy grail was promised to spur the crusade's during the European High Middle Ages (1050-1300). AI have training libraries and they remix solutions from within their libraries. Nothing more, nothing less. We've known this for a while now. AI is easy to exploit by humans. And only humans innovate. AI innovation is just an output remixed from the training libraries that a particular human hasn't seen yet and thus calls it "innovative". That says more about the human than about the AI or about innovation. ----- This is hilarious: "Shashank Joshi @shashj These aren’t the marines you’re looking for." Twitter: https://lnkd.in/gz-dY789 ----- PCGamer: "Marines use Metal Gear cardboard box trick to fool AI robot."You could hear them giggling the whole time." (Rich Stanton) (January 19, 2023) The Economist’s defense editor Shashank Joshi recently posted an excerpt from a new book about AI in the military, Four Battlegrounds by Paul Scharre (spotted by Kotaku). In it, there's a story about how the military was using marines to improve its AI detection systems. Initially, they just had to mooch around it while the machine gathered data used to improve it: Then the script got flipped. The AI machine was placed in the middle of a traffic circle, and eight marines all had the same challenge: Whoever could get to it without being detected would win. "Eight marines: not a single one got detected," Phil said. They defeated the AI system not with traditional camouflage but with clever tricks that were outside of the AI system's testing regime. "Two somersaulted for 300 meters; never got detected. Two hid under a cardboard box. You could hear them giggling the whole time." Like Bugs Bunny in a Looney Tunes cartoon, sneaking up on Elmer Fudd in a cardboard box. "One guy, my favourite," Phil said, "he field-stripped a fir tree and walked like a fir tree. You can see his smile, and that's about all you see." The AI system had been trained to detect humans walking, not humans somersaulting, hiding in a cardboard box, or disguised as a tree." Like Bugs Bunny or like the 21st century's greatest soldier? Funnily enough, this is one of the themes Kojima regularly returns to around the cardboard box: Typically, a character will grumble about having something so useless, and another will point out that its usefulness is determined by your imagination." PC Gamer: https://lnkd.in/g8WxNjwq #ai #genai #degenai #generativeai #generativeai #fakeai #holygrail #agi #notagi #excuse

Tencent is talking up Original IP in the same way that Electronic Arts is talking up Original IP, by saying and not doing. Tencent is focusing on and relying more and more on Asian IP licensed from others. Recent messaging was fewer foreign franchises and more original IP. The reality is more Asian licensed IP. Who is doing original IP? Smaller studios and publishers. And Tencent is often using its muscle to be the one putting those IP into the Chinese market while other publishers bring the IP out globally. Can Tencent rely so much on just the 600 million strong Chinese gamer market? Maybe... ----- Reuters: "Focus: Tencent's next level up: fewer big foreign franchise games, more in-house" (Josh Ye) (April 4, 2024) "We're focusing on fewer bigger budget games. Typically, we're seeking to make the biggest bets around games that either iterate on a successful IP ... or games that are iterating around proven gameplay success within a niche and taking those to a more mass market," Tencent CSO James Mitchell on an earnings call." Reuters: https://lnkd.in/gAGe9Vbd ----- Tencent's new hit title that has surpassed Honor of Kings is Dungeon and Fighter from Nexon. ----- Reuters: "Tencent finds new hit in 'Dungeon and Fighter' mobile game after dry spell" Reuters: https://lnkd.in/gA3pBJyx ----- Bloomberg: "Tencent Holdings Ltd.’s Dungeon & Fighter Mobile more than doubled the sales of longstanding Chinese best-seller Honor of Kings in its first month, suggesting the online entertainment leader may have finally found a marquee franchise to replace aging titles." Bloomberg: https://lnkd.in/gDWwtGH9 ----- Goddess of Victory is Shift Up IP. ----- GameWorldObserver: "Goddess of Victory: NIKKE hits $600 million in revenue, strengthening Tencent’s position as top mobile publisher" (Dec 18, 2023) GameWorldObserver: https://lnkd.in/gvd-zxWk ----- Dreamstar was supposed to be Tencent answer to Netease's Egg Party, a casual original IP mobile game. That didn't work. ----- Reuters: Tencent launches party game 'DreamStar', analysts say poses a threat to NetEase" (Josh Ye) (December 14, 2023) Reuters: https://lnkd.in/gacvbCQN ----- Futunn: Egg party's success was a surprise to both NetEase and Tencent: "In fact, the popularity of “Egg Party” came as a surprise to NetEase itself. Futunn: https://lnkd.in/gbEXchpN ----- In 2024 Dreamstar doesn't even factor into Tencent's top 10. What does? Lots of Asian IP from other publishers, plus spinoffs from Riot Games. But new original IP from Tencent? Nope. Statista: Dungeon 'n Fighter (Nexon) Honor of Kings (TiMi) (Tencent) PUBG Mobile (Krafton) Batttle of Golden Spatula (TFT spinoff) (Riot Games) (Tencent) Crossfire:Legends (Smilegate) League of Legends: Wild Rift (Riot Games) (Tencent) Goddess of Victory (Shift Up) Naruto (Bandai Namco) Speed Drifters (Garena) Arena Breakout (Level Infinite) (Tencent) Dungeon Fighter Origins (Nexon) Statista: https://lnkd.in/gqbR_W-e #gameindustry #tencent #mobilegames

It's amusing that the poster put "learn " or "gossip" as choices. That is an attempt to shut down discourse. This is what AI influencers do. Why? Because they are running scared as investors, analysts and financial press all start ringing the warning bells that the bubble is almost over. Also, Prompt engineering is not a career future. Even among AI startups, the goal is to reduce the interface, not to set up people to "learn prompting". Those of us talking about AI are not gossiping, we are chronicling the downfall as press, investors, and analysts prepare for the AI bubble to burst. ----- Reuters Institute Survey: "What does the public in six countries think of generative AI in news?" (28th May 2024) "Based on an online survey focused on understanding if and how people use generative artificial intelligence (AI), across six countries (Argentina, Denmark, France, Japan, the UK, and the USA)." --"Frequent use of ChatGPT is rare, with just 1% using it on a daily basis in Japan, rising to 2% in France and the UK, and 7% in the USA." --"In terms of use, ChatGPT is by far the most widely used generative AI tool in the six countries surveyed, two or three times more widespread than the next most widely used products, Google Gemini and Microsoft Copilot." --"Just 5% across the six countries covered say that they have used generative AI to get the latest news." --"Very few people (8%) think that news produced by AI will be more worth paying for compared to news produced by humans." Reuters Institute: https://lnkd.in/g28ttqZD ----- The US government is tracking an Ai usage that is not mainstream adoption, far from it. US Census: "Only 3.8% of Businesses Use AI to Produce Goods and Services, Highest Use in Information Sector" (Nov 2023) US Census: https://lnkd.in/gMCw5ZbB US Census: "Business Trends and Outlook Survey for September 2023 to February 2024. During this period, bi-weekly estimates of AI use rate rose from 3.7% to 5.4%." US Census: https://lnkd.in/gFjDjW7y ----- Investors and analysts are beginning to notice. Sequoia Capital is all in but even they sound worried. Sequoia Capital: "AI’s $600B Question - The AI bubble is reaching a tipping point. Navigating what comes next will be essential." (David Cahn) (Jun 20, 2024) "If you run this analysis again today, here are the results you get: AI’s $200B question is now AI’s $600B question." Sequoia Capital: https://lnkd.in/g6CPgdDB ----- Goldman Sachs is less bullish and puts the cost spent at 1 trillion with no clear path to recoup losses. Goldman Sachs: "GEN AI: TOO MUCH SPEND, TOO LITTLE BENEFIT? " Goldman Sachs: https://lnkd.in/ggCQy-Ed ----- The Economist can find little actual profit from the much vaunted generative AI revolution. The Economist: "What happened to the artificial-intelligence revolution? So far the technology has had almost no economic impact" (Jul 2, 2024) The Economist: https://lnkd.in/gKDa6vQg ----- #ai #aihype #aibubble #genai #fakeai #bubblesburst

Shift Up joins the ranks of South Korean game publishers. Below is its ACTUAL position. Sorry Forbes, Shift Up is 6th not 4th. Forbes missed several South Korean publishers. The numbers and order below are accurate to market close on July 13, 2024. (0) Naver ($20.6 Billion USD) not counted, technically an internet platform. Runs social UGC/game platform Zepeto. Launched a Twitch competitor. (1) Nexon ($17.6 billion USD) is the largest (originally) South Korean game publisher, but is listed on the Japanese Nikkei. Down 50% from 2021. (2) Kakao ($13.7 billion USD) is the next largest game publisher but is maybe considered a internet communications company because of Kakao Talk? Down to 33% of its value from 2021 peak. (3) Krafton ($9.8 Billion USD) at 50% its 2021 IPO peak. (4) NetMarble ($4 Billion USD) at 50% of its value since 2022. Consistent thru the pandemic and before. (5) NCSoft ($3.03 Billion USD) is currently down to 20% of their 2020-2021 value. Even pre-pandemic it was double the current value. (6) Shift Up ($2.908 Billion USD) just launched. (7) Pearl Abyss ($2.2 Billion USD) down to 33% of its 2022 high. (8 )Smilegate (valued at $701 million USD), not public. ----- Forbes: "Founder Of Korean Gaming Company Becomes Billionaire As Shares Surge On Listing. Shift Up shares jumped 18% in their public-trading debut and made its founder and CEO, Kim Hyung-tae, a billionaire." (Jul 11, 2024) In one of the most highly anticipated IPOs in South Korea this year, shares of online game developer Shift Up soared in their trading debut Thursday. The company’s shares closed at 71,000 won on their first day of trading on the Korea Exchange, up 18% from the offering price. That gives Shift Up a valuation of around 4.1 trillion won (about $3 billion), making it the fourth-biggest online gaming company listed in South Korea by market capitalization after Krafton, Netmarble and NCSoft. Shift Up raised 435 billion won (about $320 million) in an IPO of 7.25 million shares at 60,000 won apiece—the top of its indicative range. Shift Up will use the proceeds of the IPO to develop new games and expand popular titles. Investors that backed Shift Up before its IPO include Tencent; online game mogul Park Kwan-ho’s Wemade; Kakao Ventures, the venture capital arm of Korean billionaire Kim Beom-su’s internet giant Kakao; Korean energy conglomerate Daesung Group’s private equity arm (whose portfolio includes Korean online game developers Krafton and Pearl Abyss); Smilegate Investment, the venture capital arm of game giant Smilegate; and IMM Investment, which also backed Krafton. Tencent, the world’s largest game publisher by revenue, is the second-biggest shareholder in Shift Up, after Kim. The Chinese company owns a 35% stake through Aceville, a Singapore-based subsidiary of Tencent’s cloud arm. Tencent is the distributor of Shift Up’s Goddess of Victory: Nikke. Forbes: https://lnkd.in/g3yuBU3r #gameindustry #southkorea #shifton #korean #gamepublishing

Dark patterns riddle the web. It is good to remember that the "open web" as people romanticize it, is filled with anti-consumer dark patterns. Cloud-hosted mobile apps are neither better nor worse than the open web. If it is freely accessible consumer areas either over mobile over cloud or open web, it's a largely unregulated mess. Walled gardens are actually often honestly better. We need to fix this long before we get to any future metaverse. ----- FTC: "FTC, ICPEN, GPEN Announce Results of Review of Use of Dark Patterns Affecting Subscription Services, Privacy. Results come as FTC assumes presidency of ICPEN, an international network of consumer protection authorities" FTC: https://lnkd.in/gvd7NgSF ----- Engadget: "Report finds most subscription services manipulate customers with 'dark patterns'. A second study looks into the sorry state of privacy policies." (Anna Washenko) (Jul 10, 2024) Most subscription sites use "dark patterns" to influence customer behavior around subscriptions and personal data, according to a pair of new reports from global consumer protection groups. Dark patterns are "practices commonly found in online user interfaces that steer, deceive, coerce or manipulate consumers into making choices that often are not in their best interests." The international research efforts were conducted by the International Consumer Protection and Enforcement Network (ICPEN) and the Global Privacy Enforcement Network (GPEN). The ICPEN conducted the review of 642 websites and mobile apps with a subscription component. The assessment revealed one dark pattern in use at almost 76 percent of the platforms, and multiple dark patterns at play in almost 68 percent of them. One of the most common dark patterns discovered was sneaking, where a company makes potentially negative information difficult to find. ICPEN said 81 percent of the platforms with automatic subscription renewal kept the ability for a buyer to turn off auto-renewal out of the purchase flow. Other dark patterns for subscription services included interface interference, where desirable actions are easier to perform, and forced action, where customers have to provide information to access a particular function. The report from GPEN examined dark patterns that could encourage users to compromise their privacy. In this review, nearly all of the more than 1,000 websites and apps surveyed used a deceptive design practice. More than 89 percent of them used complex and confusing language in their privacy policies. Interface interference was another key offender here, with 57 percent of the platforms making the least protective privacy option the easiest to choose and 42 percent using emotionally charged language that could influence users. The reports didn't specify whether the dark patterns were used in illicit or illegal ways, only that they were present. Its a stark reminder that digital literacy is an essential skill. Engadget: https://lnkd.in/gV4sfK7H #darkpatterns #uiux #web

US Senate: "Blackburn, Cantwell, Heinrich Introduce Legislation to Combat AI Deepfakes & Put Journalists, Artists & Songwriters Back in Control of Their Content" (July 12, 2024) US Senate: https://lnkd.in/gE8tAiBG ----- Senate Act: The Content Original Protection and Integrity from Edited and Deepfaked Media (COPIED) Act PDF: https://lnkd.in/ggpbPQX8 ----- Engadget: "Three senators introduce bill to protect artists and journalists from unauthorized AI use. The COPIED ACT is a bipartisan effort to combat and monitor the rise of AI content and deepfakes." (Danny Gallagher) (Jul 12, 2024) Three US Senators introduced a bill that aims to rein in the rise and use of AI generated content and deepfakes by protecting the work of artists, songwriters and journalists. The Content Original Protection and Integrity from Edited and Deepfaked Media (COPIED) Act was introduced to the Senate Friday morning. The bill is a bipartisan effort authorized by Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.), Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) and Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), according to a press alert issued by Blackburn’s office. The COPIED ACT would, if enacted, create transparency standards through the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST) to set guidelines for “content provenance information, watermarking, and synthetic content detection,” according to the press release. The bill would also prohibit the unauthorized use of creative or journalistic content to train AI models or created AI content. The Federal Trade Commission and state attorneys general would also gain the authority to enforce these guidelines and individuals who had their legally created content used by AI to create new content without their consent or proper compensation would also have the right to take those companies or entities to court. The bill would even expand the prohibition of tampering or removing content provenance information by internet platforms, search engines and social media companies. A slew of content and journalism advocacy groups are already voicing their support for the COPIED Act to become law. They include groups like SAG-AFTRA, the Recording Industry Association of America, the National Association of Broadcasters, the Songwriters Guild of America and the National Newspaper Association. This is not the Senate’s first attempt to create guidelines and laws for the rising use of AI content and it certainly won’t be the last. In April, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) submitted a bill called the Generative AI Copyright Disclosure Act that would force AI companies to list their copyrighted sources in their datasets. The bill has not moved out of the House Committee on the Judiciary since its introduction, according to Senate records. Engadget: https://lnkd.in/gKSwZQqH #usgov #ussenate #ai #genai #airegulation

NOT a political post, an entertainment post. I know we're not supposed to take the ramblings of the orange weirdo with the small dog on his head seriously, BUT... I love Kumail Nanjiana's take on Donald Trump's take on George Clooney's take on Joe Biden. Boy, that's a mouthful. {TimeStamped]: "Guest Host Kumail Nanjiani on Trump Bashing Clooney, Biden at NATO & a VERY Honest Graduation Speech Jimmy Kimmel Live - Jul 11, 2024" YouTube: https://lnkd.in/gczHbP-x Here is what Trump said: Variety: “So now fake movie actor George Clooney, who never came close to making a great movie, is getting into the act,” Trump posted in reaction to the actor’s op-ed.  Clooney should get out of politics and go back to television. Movies never really worked for him!!!” Variety: https://lnkd.in/g_CYcGxN George Clooney not a film actor? Does Donald Trump have selective amnesia from the period of 1996 to 2016? I mean there's a period of time there where George Clooney was THE actor in Hollywood doing multiple big movies every year. Here's a sampling from that period. From Dusk Till Dawn (1996), Out of Sight (1998), The Thin Red Line (1998), Three Kings (1999) O Brother Where Art Thou (2000) Ocean's Eleven (2001), Solaris (2002), Confession Of A Dangerous Mind (2002), Intolerable Cruelty (2003), Ocean's Twelve (2004), Syriana (2005), Good Night and Good Luck (2005), The Good German (2006), Michael Clayton (2007), Ocean's Thirteen (2007), Burn After Reading (2008), Up In The Air (2009), The Men Who Stare At Goats (2009), Fantastic Mr Fox (2009), The American (2010), Ides of March (2011), The Descendants (20011), 8 (2012), Gravity (2013), The Monuments Men (2014), Tomorrowland (2015), Money Monster (2016), Hail Caesar (2016) IMDB: https://lnkd.in/gy8kj3XR I mean, has no one ever heard of any of those movies? Is Trump senile or suffering from Alzheimer's? How do you miss that 20 year period? Or compare it to a 30 second cameo in Home Alone 2? How old is Trump again? Regardless of how you feel about the politicians, let's keep movie making to the film stars. And Donald Trump? Keep a movie's stars name out yo damn mouth. It makes you look forgetful, and old. "Guest Host Kumail Nanjiani on Trump Bashing Clooney, Biden at NATO & a VERY Honest Graduation Speech Jimmy Kimmel Live - Jul 11, 2024" YouTube: https://lnkd.in/gYRT_fsn #hollywood #filmindustry