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Lust by Elfriede Jelinek
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Nobel Prize for Literature 2004
I'm REALLY struggling with the works of Austria's first Nobel laureate for literature, but that's exactly what this author intends: Jelinek is a literary radical, and I applaud her for that. "Lust" is a relentless, cynical pamphlet against male violence against women, which correlates gender relations with capitalist exploitation dynamics. Loosely revolving around the plight of a woman married to the director of a paper mill in the Austrian province, we get an endless, repetitive array of oral, vaginal, and anal rape scenes illustrating chains of dependency and power. I know that Jelinek is famous for her word play, but I often find her tricks, sorry to say, idiotic and annoying, and as this is literature driven by (justified!) rage, there is no nuance, which is, I see that, the whole point. Do I like it? No.

BUT (and now I'm arguing with myself, which is part of the merit of this text): Jelinek, while thankfully still alive and well, is an author that has to be perceived in historical context. Born in 1946, she is a representative of second-wave feminism, which does not only explain that there is no awareness of intersectionality, but Jelinek and her peers were pioneers when it comes to talking about domestic abuse and marital rape, so they often took a, let's say, undercomplex stance, because they were operating from a subaltern position and wanted to be heard. "Lust" was first published in 1989, the year marital rape became illegal in Austria. I stand behind a lot of the criticism third-wave feminists hold against the second wave, especially its blindness regarding gender identity as a spectrum and its sex-negative attitudes that work against female sexual liberation, but since reading Andrea Dworkin's Mercy, I have a better idea of where they were coming from (I still strongly disagree with Dworkin on many issues).

So yes, Jelinek is not here to present us with topics like intersectional solidarity, female sexual liberation, the negative effects of toxic masculinity on men (shout out to Klaus Theweleit), or toxic femininity (I see you, Sophia Fritz), and that's why in a way, her texts are outdated, but also represent a stage in a process. Fortunately for me, this type of second-wave discourse frequently tends to feel bizarre to me, but yesterday, I found a TV snippet that features German literary and cultural icon Marcel Reich-Ranicki, the most famous German-language literary critic ever, and he and his male colleagues are pondering how "Lust", this explosion of disgust and misogyny, illustrates male lust (because men get off on torturing their wives???), denounces sexuality as such (rape is not a form of sexuality, it's a form of violence), and one of these geniuses even upholds that the wife is okay with it, which is a Freudian misreading beyond my comprehension. Broadcast in 1989. If you hate yourself enough to watch it, here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py75C...

Elfriede, I'm starting to get your outrageous aesthetic choices, I'm starting to understand your boundless anger. It's just that I'm a third-wave feminist who longs for more nuance.
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message 1: by Peter (new)

Peter Ein leidenschaftlicher und einsichtsreicher Review. Das Buch steht bei mir ungelesen im Schrank. Jetzt bin ich auf meine eigene Reaktion gespannt.


Meike Peter wrote: "Ein leidenschaftlicher und einsichtsreicher Review. Das Buch steht bei mir ungelesen im Schrank. Jetzt bin ich auf meine eigene Reaktion gespannt."

Das Buch hat mir überhaupt nicht gefallen, aber ich sehe die Intention - bin auf Deine Einschätzung gespannt!


Alexandra Ui das kugelt auch noch ungelesen bei mir herum


Meike Alexandra wrote: "Ui das kugelt auch noch ungelesen bei mir herum"

Jelinek und Grass und Handke, die Nobelpreisträger*innen, die niemand ernsthaft liest! :-)


Anna Carina S. Dann bin ich Niemand 🙃


Meike Anna Carina wrote: "Dann bin ich Niemand 🙃"

Leider konntest Du "Lust" nicht davor bewahren, mittlerweile nur noch antiquarisch erhältlich zu sein.... und es steht auf Platz 3 der meistgelesenen Jelinek-Bücher hier auf GR! :-) Aber jemand muss den Kram ja lesen, Ausnahmen bestätigen bekanntlich die Regel! :-)


message 7: by Ernst (new)

Ernst Vor Jelinek habe ich bislang noch zurückgescheut, habe zwar ein oder zwei tolle Theaterinszenierungen gesehen aber noch nichts gelesen. Wird wohl irgendwann sein müssen…
@ Meike: wer bitteschön liest nicht Handke?😄 in dem Fall bin ich auch niemand


Meike Ernst wrote: "Vor Jelinek habe ich bislang noch zurückgescheut, habe zwar ein oder zwei tolle Theaterinszenierungen gesehen aber noch nichts gelesen. Wird wohl irgendwann sein müssen…
@ Meike: wer bitteschön lie..."


Hab letztens noch in einem Interview mit zwei anderen Literaturjournalisten herzlich darüber gelacht, dass so gut wie kein Mensch ernsthaft Handke liest. Insbesondere nicht nach dem ganzen menschenverachtenden Milosevic-Shit, den der sich geleistet hat. Naja, immerhin hat er als NOBELPREISTRÄGER 3031 (hahahaha) Bewertungen für sein drittbeliebtestes Buch auf GR, Jelinek hat hingegen starke... 1820. Pfff. Auf Fosse lass ich nix kommen, aber was der Nobelpreis sich in den letzten Jahren abhält, hat mit Relevanz nix mehr zu tun. Und nein, wenn es keiner liest, spricht das nicht für einen erhöhten Anspruch. Leute wie McCarthy oder Roth haben auch wie bekloppt verkauft.


Nicholas Beck I've read 3 of her novels so far and she is definitely not an easy read, she's unrelenting in delving to the very core of her subject matter and there's absolutely no sugar coating involved. I think she is a superb novelist and one of a kind and absolutely deserves the Nobel prize.


Meike Nicholas wrote: "I've read 3 of her novels so far and she is definitely not an easy read, she's unrelenting in delving to the very core of her subject matter and there's absolutely no sugar coating involved. I thin..."

Unrelenting is the key word, and I agree with that, Nicholas. It's good that she's not sugar-caoting serious issues, but how she renders feminist topics just reads as dated, as the lack of nuance also means that she omits important and potentially highly interesting factors and aspects. It's not what she wants to do in the first place, but a modern-day third-wave feminist would never approach her topics like she does in "Lust", which makes it a historical novel, and one that I personally didn't like and that bored me, although I understand where the author is coming from.


message 11: by Be (last edited Jul 17, 2024 06:46PM) (new)

Be Nice Meike wrote: "how she renders feminist topics just reads as dated, as the lack of nuance also means that she omits important and potentially highly interesting factors and aspects"
I’m curious about what you believe to have been omitted. Can you elaborate? I am interested specifically in why you say that “ a modern-day third-wave feminist would never approach her topics like she does”. Is it something to do with the verbal focus of the writing? Something about motive?


Meike Be wrote: "Meike wrote: "how she renders feminist topics just reads as dated, as the lack of nuance also means that she omits important and potentially highly interesting factors and aspects"
I’m curious abou..."


It's in the review, Be: Topics like intersectional solidarity (this text only has a binary, cliched and static view of gender roles), female sexual liberation, the negative effects of toxic masculinity, or toxic femininity. The people in this text are no people at all, they are stock characters illustrating the exploitation of women. There is no nuance, hence it's boring and does not further the conversation beyond rage.


message 13: by Linda (new)

Linda Thoughtful review.


Meike Linda wrote: "Thoughtful review."

Thank you, Linda!


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