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White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo
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Victim role and defense mechanisms prevent an emancipated and enlightened reappraisal of past and present grievances, culminating in worsening of system immanent problems, backlashes, and indirect and unconscious promotion of racial divide. Building mental suppression reflexes, fortifications against unwanted truth, is a sign of an immature and romantic idealization of one´s ego for the price of being part of the problem.

The term aversive racism is well chosen, it´s exactly the subconscious mechanism many are unwilling to accept as part of their socialization and conditioning, an epigenetic factor expanding in those trying to be against prejudices, but unwillingly promoting them in a way they don´t even see. It´s the misuse of altruism by indirectly enforcing stereotypes, belittling minorities and other ethnicities, and downplaying the own bias and agenda one deems positive.

Look at who built Western society, what inhuman ideologies they had, and think about what that means about the foundations of any system and how much of it is still there under the surface. If one isn´t willing to accept it and wants to keep living the illusions while having a privileged life, try this one:
Contrast the reality with a fictional culture built by women for women, an ecotopia by environmentalists, a techno utopia by futurists, etc. In none of these cases someone would deny that key elements of the main ideas can be seen in all elements of the culture, but in reality, of course, no, thank you, inappropriate idea, we are over that, everything is fine.

Ignoring own problems worsens them and the older we get the more passive aggressive indirect racist mindsets, that are often indirectly expressed in economic and political contexts, come to mind. Whenever a person is insecure about not possibly promoting ideologies that have integrated exploitative and evil elements, one can easily find cozy reassurance of the righteousness of one's behavior thanks to echo chambers and media exponentiating the hypnotizing sound of all these decent people who can´t all be wrong.

And then, bam, someone dares to tell the truth about such self deception mechanisms that don´t just include individual blinders, but many other, good willing people with the same opinion, friends, family,… that of course also don´t deem themselves part of the problem and the natural reaction is, of course, extreme outrage, pure white fragility. „I, an activist for years, decades, having so many friends of all ethnicities, etc. yada, should be a bigoted, opportunistic enforcer of racist ideas? You, harbinger, are wrong and should be ashamed for making me feel bad about your fake history news! And I am activating my being offended mode because now I just feel and can´t think anymore.“

It´s exactly what I´ve experienced with many other problems privileged, white people don´t have to deal with and build illusions, ivory towers, and excuses for their inactions and stubborn behavior around them.instead. In Europe, precisely Austria, it´s done with refugees, the economic system, nazi past, sexism, conservatism, etc that way. People have their unbalanced, strange, implemented opinions they mainly built on news media, friends, and family instead of book and science and repeat bias, mantras, and illogical and bad explanations. As soon as someone points the finger on the hard, real facts, they react this way, get aggressive, change topic, do as if they didn´t mean it that way, behave like expected by good extremists and fanatics. The refuge of pseudointellectual wanna be experts that keep repeating whatever their social media feed drips in their mind, even infecting people that should know better.

Even well meaning people who are active in charity organizations, NGOs,… are prone to this blind spots, some strange examples I´ve tried out: Try talking to environmentalist about positive aspects of NGOs, to human rights activists about dehumanizing elements of our whole system and how it indirectly promotes circles of violence instead of just helping whistleblowers and journalists, to hard working people who invest much of their money in destructive, useless consumerism, to green party members…or to anti racism and equal rights groups about this. Forget it, they will act like kids, immediate defiant phase activation, lalala, don´t want to hear. Honestly, part of my misanthropy is that I´ve lost interest in and respecting of many people who are so blind to how they have been instrumentalized to greenwash corporate responsibility PR camouflaged as real activism without even recognizing, and absorb the propaganda as part of their identity, thinking we have reached the end of history, attacking anything questioning their distorted and self aggrandizing world view.

They are lost, stranded in a mixture of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogniti...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...
salted with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaga...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_m...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychol...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychol...
fueled by the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replica...
that legitimates their disturbing views with fringe science. Their whole personality is built on nothing more than the soft washed, trivialized, indirect fallout of anachronistic ideals still secretly metastasizing and growing with any descendant of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. At a moment in history where anyone could build an objective opinion by using the amazing possibilities of wikis, apps, independent media, and progressive nonfiction authors instead of reading the same, repetitive, everything is fine fairy tale unicorn rainbow BS. Instead, they keep being used by forces they don´t want to be real, whose main interest is to divide and rule by fueling any kind of conflict between social groups to keep their status.

It made me hyper sceptical regarding many humanities and soft sciences they use as arguments too. It also took me some time over the last decade to go chronologically through the feelings of disbelief, anger, something close to hate (one of the rare emotions I feel next to flow, hungry, the other ry (not sorry), and sleepy), motivation to try to change people, I am still laughing about this one, repeating of the first circle, to end up with cold, cynic apathy for, disinterest in, and avoidance of the overwhelming majority of the population. But it luckily fueled my belief in the youth and the next generation instead.

Power resetting people´s mindsets is very difficult and if it´s not combined with an extreme ideology (and even then it´s close to impossible to make people accept that they´ve been wrong over years or decades), but with thinking of themselves as progressive founding mothers and fathers of a better future, it gets close to impossible. They´ve invested time, heart blood, belief, studying, debating,… in becoming the person and identify they are and I don´t believe many of them will change, because it includes many other aspects of their agenda and ideology, they would have to reevaluate and revise key elements, something too brutal and hard. See what I just did, I indirectly defended white fragility, it´s truly a hellish circle.

And an extremely ridiculous one in the eyes of discriminated groups and minorities, it´s a kind of black comedy mentally instable person gag where the wealthy, carefree, lucky ones do as if changing the inhuman system that made them rich, and some of their opinions, is something unfair, painful, and gruesome to them.

A wiki walk can be as refreshing to the mind as a walk through nature in this completely overrated real life outside books:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrim...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura...
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LiLi Great review and I don't think I can disagree with anything you've said. How would you say this book (written by a white person) compares to other books on the subject written by POC? I've been interested in it, but I wonder if it might not be better to expand my horizons and read one written by a nonwhite person to get a truer, broader perspective. I liked Ijeoma Oluo's book, but it was of course very short.


message 2: by Mario the lone bookwolf (last edited Jul 04, 2020 08:10PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mario the lone bookwolf Thanks!
It´s unique in its idea, although I think to see similarities to Eddo Lodge Renis´ Why I am no longer talking to white people about race
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...
I´ve not finished yet.
The main premise, that well intentioned, privileged, white people, who never had to really work or suffer in their whole life are instrumentalized to do pseudo improvements of a dysfunctional system, securing it that way, thinking they are progressive, etc., and points mentioned in this review, seem to be the same.
I am looking forward to reading
Kendi Ibram X`s How to Be an Antiracist
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...
and curios, if these points are mentioned, as I personally deem it the key trigger for change, because these influential, wealthy, mostly elder, white people would be important for change and could do something better than being unaware parts of the anachronisms. Although I just see a chance for a small, very open minded, minority really willing to change, it would be just too difficult for most of them.

Other interesting books about the topic are
Noble Safiyas´ Algorithms of Oppression How Search Engines Reinforce Racism
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...
also strongly showing how hidden bias causes damage

Alexander Michelle´s The new Jim Crow
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6...
more showing the whole dimension

and
Roberts Dorothy´s Killing the Black Body Race, Reproduction, and the Meaning of Liberty
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

Ijeoma Oluos´ So you want to talk about race
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...
you mentioned gives a very good overview.


message 3: by Tom LA (new)

Tom LA I just read your review and I noticed how you are hyper-critical about pretty much everyone's behavior except your own. Are you one of the very rare "real activists" that you talk about?


message 4: by Graeme (last edited Jul 05, 2020 12:44AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Graeme Rodaughan Hi Mario, I'm seriously considering reading this book. Does Robin DiAngelo articulate an end game for the eradication of Racism? I.e. How does racism end and become an element in the dust bin of history?


message 5: by Mario the lone bookwolf (last edited Jul 05, 2020 05:43AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mario the lone bookwolf Tom LA wrote: "I just read your review and I noticed how you are hyper-critical about pretty much everyone's behavior except your own. Are you one of the very rare "real activists" that you talk about?"

My favorites are the elites everyone is ranting about and ignorant people, two groups predestined for roasting.

I guess I am close to nothing anymore, maybe still a few books with new ideas, some reviews, but the most important works are read. The ones who read progressive literature will build a better opinion and dealing with the others, what could be called activism, has been a great waste of time.


Mario the lone bookwolf Graeme wrote: "Hi Mario, I'm seriously considering reading this book. Does Robin DiAngelo articulate an end game for the eradication of Racism? I.e. How does racism end and become an element in the dust bin of hi..."

An author has to include some positive outlooks, but I don´t really see a chance except of time and a paradigm shift. As we said in our parallel conversation about subjectivity in the comment section of Heinlein, this topic goes too deep under the skin of many people.


LiLi Thanks for the additional recommendations! I've added them to my queue as well. I've requested several of these from the library. It sounds like it would probably be worthwhile to read them all!


Mario the lone bookwolf Elizabeth wrote: "Thanks for the additional recommendations! I've added them to my queue as well. I've requested several of these from the library. It sounds like it would probably be worthwhile to read them all!"

Great I could help!

I would take breaks in between, because these underrepresented topics are quite heavy. Although they give unique points of view and ideas one wouldn´t consider, classy bam mind blown/ penetrated gesture.


Graeme Rodaughan Thanks, Mario.


message 10: by Tim (new)

Tim Incredible and insightful review!


Mario the lone bookwolf Graeme wrote: "Thanks, Mario."

It´s you I have to thank for being willing to poison your mind by reading my twisted reviews.

I do often have the impression that authors of quite depressing books try to find a positive outlook, an optimistic ending at any costs, even if there is no real hope for a soon coming change or improvement of the whole situation.


message 12: by Mario the lone bookwolf (last edited Jul 06, 2020 10:53AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mario the lone bookwolf Greta wrote: "What a great review Mario!!! Now I will definitely will read it as well!"

Thanks, looking forward to your opinion, as your analysis of Enlightenment now was very interesting, complex regarding historical and political context, and awakened interest in more.


Mario the lone bookwolf Tim wrote: "Incredible and insightful review!"

Thanks, but the book is even better. Seriously, if dismantled from all the adjectives, tapeworm sentences, ranting, not to forget the lack of objectivity, there is very little substantial left.

Heck, nor sure if I should have said that out loud...


message 14: by Joe (new)

Joe Krakovsky You put a lot of thought into your reviews, Mario. However, in this day and age, it seems that whenever anybody is confronted with thoughts or actions they don't approve of, they can accuse opponents of racism, and once that title is applied, the connotation is that the accused is wrong no matter what the evidence suggests.


message 15: by Mario the lone bookwolf (last edited Jul 09, 2020 09:53PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mario the lone bookwolf Joe wrote: "You put a lot of thought into your reviews, Mario. However, in this day and age, it seems that whenever anybody is confronted with thoughts or actions they don't approve of, they can accuse opponen..."

Thanks!

I wish it would just be used as unfair argument, not hint of the subconscious, unknowing, subtle prejudice that have been made institutions and systems one is used to and doesn´t see as part of the problem. Self righteous defense mechanisms come in place everytime one puts undeniable, rhetorically vicious, arguments in the ring.

The title "indirectly racist while believing fo fight for the rights of minorities" and the similar "apologist of anachronistic, destructive economic, political system", " "master of consent, false tolerance, downplaying, relativism,..." are just awarded if people, after at least a few conversations of, let´s say, 2 to 3 hours, keep driveling as described in the review. I should have made this clearer, because without this knowledge, your critic, of the misuse of the ad hominem argument and other lawyer and media tricks, is true. Although the evidence is so clear in this case that there is no way out of it.

Austria, because people can be direct, has a climate where it´s sometimes possible to have an open debate about the dangerous topics of politics, religion, econocisc, Cthulhu without immediately losing friends, it´s just a complete waste of time.

They are just not willing to change opinion, it´s too inconvenient, it would be too hard, they fight against it, they won´t confess that much younger authors and their followers are right. Their false pride prohibits it. I´ve talked to very intelligent academics who roll this way, it´s very funny, living examples of the wise, old saying that the most progress in science, politics,... is sadly achieved at funerals.


message 16: by Joe (new)

Joe Krakovsky I had a good friend with whom I use to argue politics. No matter what we thought we were still the best of friends.


Mario the lone bookwolf Joe wrote: "I had a good friend with whom I use to argue politics. No matter what we thought we were still the best of friends."

That´s subjectively highly depending on what one want from a friendship, if fun, memories, activities, emotions,... are primarily important, it doesn´t matter.
If it´s a more sophisticated, rational, cold relationship focused on enriching knowledge, debating, planning, working together, it can become a problem.

Also one of the reasons why different generations often can´t talk with another.


message 18: by Zain (new)

Zain Mario, your review is wonderful! Very thoughtful, very profound! You got a lot from this book.


Mario the lone bookwolf Zain wrote: "Mario, your review is wonderful! Very thoughtful, very profound! You got a lot from this book."

Thank you, everybody can grow by reading this if she/he is capable of self reflection, it´s one of the very few books that have an original and unknown approach towards problems.


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