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Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge
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Reni Eddo-Lodge no longer wants to talk to white people about race because white people always manage to make the conversation about themselves. Isn’t this the original definition of a bore? This would actually be funny if it didn’t have such deadly consequences for people of color everywhere.
“Discussing racism is not the same thing as discussing ‘black identity.’ Discussing racism is about discussing white identity. It’s about white anxiety.”
Eddo-Lodge is British and this book evolved from an explosive blogpost of the same title that she wrote in 2014 and which is reproduced in full in the Preface to this volume. Contrary to her explicit desire to stop talking to white people about race, she has become a national and international spokesperson and spends most of her time talking to white people about race. Is there a lesson here?

Eddo-Lodge divides her commentary on the subject of race into seven chapters, the first of which, “Histories,” details her awakening to the realization that she knew very little about black British history until her second year at university. That moment of awakening, the moment Ta-Nehisi Coates also details in his own book, Between the World and Me, is a thrilling one in the life of an writer/activist. After that moment comes the hard work of study and making connections.
“We tell ourselves that good people can’t be racist…We tell ourselves that racism is about moral values, when instead it is about the survival strategy of systemic power.”
Chapter 2, “The System,” tries to describe the way racism looks today from the point of view of those discriminated against in Britain, and the excuses made to paper over any actual discussion of the problems. This is where the insistence upon merit and the way the conversation always turns to white anxiety is most apparent. Chapter 3, “What is White Privilege?” surprises us with the assertion that
“White privilege is never more pronounced than in our intimate relationships, our close friendships and our families… Race consciousness is not contagious, nor is it inherited. If anything, an increase in mixed-race families and mixed-race children brings those difficult conversations about race and whiteness and privilege close to home (literally) than ever before.”
I’d always assumed that mixed race families had the advantages of understanding around issues of race, but Eddo-Lodge tells us that many families are not having the conversations they need to have, difficult and raw though they may be. Of course.
“It makes sense that interracial couples might not want to burden themselves with the depressing weight of racial history when planning their lives together, but a color-blind approach makes life difficult for children who do not deserve this carelessness.”
There is so much in this short book that I have to urge everyone to get their own copy. The insights come fast and furious from this point on. For some white people, Eddo-Lodge asserts, “being accused of racism is far worse than actual racism.” That resonates in today’s America, and could as easily be said about sexism. We need to humble ourselves enough to learn new lessons. When addressing feminism and racism in Chapter 5, "The Feminism Question," Eddo-Lodge may present her most eloquent arguments, including a discussion about the need for black feminists to meet separately:
that [white gaze] “does so much to silence you...And there's an element of just speaking the truth of what it means to be a black woman in the UK that it would be ridiculous, as a white person, to not read that as implicating you."
In direct relationship to the cogency of her arguments, her shortest chapters are the most fluent, insightful, and well-argued. At the end, Eddo-Lodge uses a Terry Pratchett statement as her final chapter heading: "There is No Justice, There is Just Us.” In this chapter she reflects our questions right back out at her audience.
“White people, you need to talk to other white people about race….white people who recognize racism have an incredibly important part to play. That part can’t be played while wallowing in guilt.”
Apropos of this exhortation, a racial justice educator based in Boston, Debby Irving, wrote a book on race primarily for white people, called Waking Up White, detailing her experiences waking up to an unconscious racism. I agree with her that we need to learn to speak this new vocabulary of race if we want to enjoy the benefits of diversity. Eddo-Lodge, despite her exhaustion talking about race with white people, is doing her part.
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December 9, 2017 – Shelved as: to-read
December 9, 2017 – Shelved
December 20, 2017 – Started Reading
December 21, 2017 –
10.0% "Eddo-Lodge's book came out of a viral essay she'd written when she was in her early twenties. She is older now (not much, about 28) and wants to distinguish her experience as a black person in Britain from that of black people in America. Apparently even ten or fifteen years ago there was no widespread understanding of "where all the black people came from" in Britain. Shocking. She tries to make up for lost ground."
January 13, 2018 – Shelved as: british
January 13, 2018 – Shelved as: debut-author
January 13, 2018 – Shelved as: immigration
January 13, 2018 – Shelved as: journalism
January 13, 2018 – Shelved as: essays
January 13, 2018 – Shelved as: nonfiction
January 13, 2018 – Shelved as: race
January 13, 2018 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by HBalikov (new)

HBalikov I've noticed, Trish, that you and I are on similar journeys. We cannot glean much about this "unconscious racism" if we are always self-reflective in our discussions. That quote about talking with other white people about racism rings true to me. Another component, from my perspective, is to JUST LISTEN to people of color when they are discussing their experiences. Guilt and trying to solve their problems are both less than productive.


Ameesha As a mixed-race person, this part of the book concerned me, as the author seemed to generalise about the experience of all mixed-race people based on one example and a vague statement. She doesn't provide figures on how many mixed race people she spoke to, but this certainly isn’t my experience or that of the other mixed-race people I know. On the contrary, having a mixed-race person in a family usually leads to more discussions on race. Of course, this doesn’t mean that racist attitudes won’t prevail; however, the majority of the racism I’ve experienced has been from the non-white side of my family, so I struggle to accept that racism "doesn't happen both ways", as the author suggests.


message 3: by Trish (last edited Jul 01, 2018 06:22AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Trish That's so interesting, Ameesha. No, I don't think Eddo-Lodge just spoke with one mixed-race person: as a public figure, she undoubtedly talks to many many mixed-race people, but you are right that unless one conducts a study, all evidence is hearsay & anecdotal.

Of course racism can work both ways, especially if one is part of a dominant non-white culture. It is only where white society has been the most privileged and powerful, say in U.S. or Britain, that it may rarely have suffered, or been hurt by, the indignities of racism against it.

But Eddo-Lodge is focused on the terrible harm that has been done POC in white societies that discriminate against them because of color. As a result, she is not going to spend time discussing many possible iterations of how racism plays out in diverse societies.

But you raise a point that I expect is taken very seriously indeed in government, and if you wanted to pursue this line of inquiry professionally, I am sure you could find funding and a willingness to examine this phenomenon...of debilitating pervasive racism in diverse societies. It probably won't go away without some focus on it, and it may well become worse as national compositions change.


Ameesha Hi Trish, Thanks for your reply. I’m sure you’re right that Eddo-Lodge must have spoken to many mixed-race people—it just felt like a broad-brush statement without any figures to back it up, especially when what she described as being the ‘norm’ is so different to what I’ve experienced and to what seems intuitively to make sense.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree that she is focused on the harm to done to POC in white societies, and much of what she says about structural racism I have witnessed. However, by bringing the mixed-race issue into discussion, she took this down to a familial level, rather a structural level.

Instead of clarifying that in mixed-race families, communication may vary and racism may happen both ways, she focuses on one case study where the white side of the family is the problem. In doing so, she presents a very limited and one-sided view of what it’s like to be mixed-race to readers who may not have encountered someone of mixed-race before.

While I realise this isn’t her area of focus, if she doesn’t want to or isn’t able to discuss the complex issue of being mixed-race in the depth it requires, then I’d rather she have left the topic alone, rather than giving a very limited view of it. As you can see, it’s a subject close to my heart, and it is an area worthy of more research, so perhaps it’s something I’ll look into, thanks!


Cecily Very good review, Trish. Eddo-Lodge's previous ignorance of black British history is the norm. It's just not taught to any useful degree here. That needs to change. Before reading this, I knew more about African-American history! And like you, I found the section about mixed race families another eye-opener, now with the addition of Ameesha's comments. Yes, Eddo-Lodge quoted extensively from one mixed race woman, but I also had the impression her voices was used to illustrate common problems, though not necessarily universal ones.


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