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Hillbilly Elegy by J.D. Vance
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“One way our upper class can promote upward mobility, then, is not only by pushing wise public policies but by opening their hearts and minds to the newcomers who don’t quite belong.”
― J.D. Vance, Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis

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(my dad's father [center on the stairs], uncle, and other workers during harvest)

The writing and conclusions of this book are probably a 3-star, but emotionally this is a 4-star book for me (thus my vacillating between 3&4-stars). J.D. Vance is my father. Reading his memoir is like reading a story about my dad. My dad, like Vance, grew up in a family with a lot of dysfunction. Neither of my dad's parents graduated from high-school. He wasn't a hillbilly, per se, but he was born in a small dry-farm community in the mountains of Southern Idaho. Poor. And he wanted the hell out. He didn't get good grades, but a stint in the Navy and marriage to my mom provided the stability and the perspective that allowed my dad to climb. And climb he did. The GI-bill and my dad's grit enabled him to eventually graduate with honors from UC Davis' Veterinary school.

His work ethic still is a thing of wonder to my brothers and sister. He is intimidating. He, by force of will, natural intelligence, etc. climbed (always with the assistance of my mom) up several economic and social rungs. His effort provided middle class, and eventually upper-middle class opportunities for his children. I will have to travel to the moon, I feel, to maintain the same trajectory he set.

Vance's story about growing up a hillbilly in Kentucky and Ohio resembles not just my dad but many people I know from many cultures, races, and backgrounds. The positive of this book is Vance's lack of meanness married to his willingness to criticize. That is a fine line, but I think Vance is right. There is no magic bullet, but there are several things that need to come together to help address some of the cultural, economic, and societal challenges facing not just poor whites in Appalachia, but inner-city poor minorities, Native American poor, etc..

Vance and Vance's publishers also benefited from timing. His book was published during the Trump movement of 2016 and 2017 (and yes, we are still trying to understand all of that). Vance seemed to offer SOME explanation why poor whites in Appalachia and the Rust Belt seemed to vote against their interest for a demagogue and pseudo-populist. Vance seemed available with at least SOME answers. If you look at the way this book was published, this book almost seems like a Yale project to get J.D. Vance into congress. A hillbilly Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. I can't completely go down that caustic hole, but this book seems almost designed as a political answer, as a legitimizer. I have a friend from the poor town in Ohio whose BS radar is high on this book. I'm still not sure.

We are a nation that is seeing a huge chasm open up between the haves and the have-nots. There aren't enough bridges, and not enough shepherds helping those on the edge across. I remember thinking about this very issue years ago. It was one area where I felt I needed to take a personal stake in someone else's development and progression. It is hard to see neighbors struggle with debt, single mother's barely keeping their heads above water, addiction, and hardest of all despair. Despair. I don't want to wait until government addresses the income gap. I think, because of the tremendous gift I've been given and the resources attached to that -- that I have a moral responsibility to pass that gift on. My kids will get it naturally enough. They will have a stable home (mostly), education, too much food and exposure to opportunities that will allow them to maneuver through the hurdles and the traps of the modern economy and upper-middle-class culture. What I need to do, because I have been blessed, is find a way to extend this opportunity to more. I really think -- and like Vance I don't have all the answers -- my way is person-to-person. Mentoring. Looking for an opportunity to take a kid who, given the opportunities I was BORN with, could excel me -- and helping her or him out. I've done this a couple times and it is miraculous and I think going forward necessary. Both for the economic survival for our nation, but also for our nation's soul.
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Margitte Beautiful tribute to your dad, the book and your life. This book stirred quite a lot of conversations. A necessary book.


Diane Lovely review, Darwin.


Michael I found that the book seemed to describe my *grandparents* (one set of whom came from rural Idaho, the other set from Southern Utah) in certain ways.


Darwin8u Michael wrote: "I found that the book seemed to describe my *grandparents* (one set of whom came from rural Idaho, the other set from Southern Utah) in certain ways."

Where in Idaho? Where in Southern, Utah?


message 5: by Darwin8u (last edited Apr 13, 2017 07:07PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Darwin8u Margitte wrote: "Beautiful tribute to your dad, the book and your life. This book stirred quite a lot of conversations. A necessary book."

Thank you Margitte.

Diane wrote: "Lovely review, Darwin."

Thank You.

Greg wrote: "Perhaps the most moving review I have read since I signed up for Goodreads. Thank you."

Thanks Greg. It still needs a bit of editing, but I appreciate your comment - a lot.


message 6: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala That quote by Vance caught my attention. Your response to it is very inspiring.
The photo you included is awe-inspiring too. If I'd seen it out of context, I'd have said it was a still from a movie, it is so well set-up. Like an artist, the photographer caught a graceful momentary pause in the hard grind of real-life. And the man on the right looking at the camera! So good!


Darwin8u Yeah, the photo is one of my favorite things.


message 8: by Cecily (new)

Cecily Great review - and especially the photo. What a treasure.


Christy Hammer Love the photo, and story of your dad's social mobility! I also had some familial connections to Vance's place and time. The tragedy of poverty and unfulfilled work ethic in the US midwest is shown in the dysfunctions Vance details.


message 10: by Judy (new) - rated it 3 stars

Judy I was born middle class and privileged but I had a similar response to this book. No government program can help all underprivileged people. It is people helping other people that cannot be stopped and is unlimited.


Darwin8u Judy wrote: "I was born middle class and privileged but I had a similar response to this book. No government program can help all underprivileged people. It is people helping other people that cannot be stopped..."

Absolutely agree that no program can help ALL people. But that is expanded to such a level that it becomes absurd. I think some programs work very, very well. The G.I. Bill was transformative post WWII in boosting the US' middle-class, college-educated class. Public education can make a significant contribution to the underprivileged. But, absolutely, we can't delegate to government alone. And, I think this is Vance's point, ultimately there is a large responsibility on those being underserved to take a critical look at where they are at and their own responsibility. But, unsaid by Vance, because it wasn't the scope of his book. The middle-class and upper-class are equally blind in many ways. Many middle and upper-class individuals feel that their efforts alone are responsible for where they are, and thus feel very little need to pay back, or even put on a cloak of humility about their own circumstances.


message 12: by Darwin8u (last edited Apr 15, 2017 12:36PM) (new) - rated it 2 stars

Darwin8u Cecily wrote: "Great review - and especially the photo. What a treasure."

Yeah, it is like a family Dorothea Lange.

Christy wrote: "Love the photo, and story of your dad's social mobility! I also had some familial connections to Vance's place and time. The tragedy of poverty and unfulfilled work ethic in the US midwest is shown..."

Thank you Christy.


Helena Thank you for the thoughtful and inspiring review. It seems my parents had the same experience as yours except my dad was in the CCC and my mom had to drop out before 11 grade. But they made sure we valued education and so my brother is a CPA and I have my doctorate. My mom read constantly and my dad read all my textbooks. I love that you stressed " pay it forward". I read an editorial that most Americans accept inequality as normal and want opportunities to be fair. I find this confusing. And maybe naive. What do you think?


Darwin8u Helena wrote: "Thank you for the thoughtful and inspiring review. It seems my parents had the same experience as yours except my dad was in the CCC and my mom had to drop out before 11 grade. But they made sure w..."

I think there is certainly no way to avoid inequality driven by effort or even, to some extent luck (oh, how I'd love the chance to be born into an upper-middle class family in Palo Alto in the 1950s, 1960s). However, a lot of inequality is maintained and perpetuated by policies (official and unofficial) that benefit some groups more. I personally feel this robs ALL of us of dignity and our society of a certain amount of efficiency.


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Steve This review is exceptional even by your own high standards, D8u. The story of your dad's bootstraps and the ways you're continuing to pay the benefits forward is nothing less than ennobling. It makes me wonder what steps I could take to follow suit.


Darwin8u Thanks Steve. I'm not sure, however, if I can claim to have any standards.


message 17: by W.D. (new)

W.D. Clarke Wow, this review has convinced me to get this book for my dad for father's day, Darwin! BTW, how do you get pictures into a review?!


Darwin8u WD. The pictures have to be on the internet somewhere. If you have the address for the picture, you link to it in the review and make sure the ratio is set so the width is 400 pixels.


message 19: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala Or if your photo isn't on the net already but just in your photo files on your computer, you can upload it to your profile easily using the 'select file' option. Then the photo acquires an image address automatically and you just copy that and insert it between the beginning and end HTML image codes in the review box.

Darwin, I'm impressed all over again by that photo.


Madison Santos Hey D8u, for some reason I have an idiosyncratic need to rally against this book whenever I see a friend discuss it. Love the ol' politics is downstream from culture argument. Not only did Appalachia not swarm to Trump (sure Appalachian areas went red, but with incredibly low voter turnout and with mainly the wealthiest people in these areas going for Trump), but Vance's argument is insulting and has been around forever, the idea that it's not the material conditions of society that have caused widespread depression and drug use, but a cultural problem. I understand the personal sentiment his memoir might have, and his writings not bad either (I was raised poor and go to an elite school now so there's plenty of familiarity), but I'll have to beg to differ that this does any helpful political work. Appalachian studies scholars say that this book has set their work back decades, it relies on empty debates about a culture problem and Vance commits the two biggest errors in trying to write about culture, universalism and essentialism, while letting liberals gawk at the lifestyle of 'hillbillies' that only affirms decades (if not, over a century) of misrepresentation. Plenty of better writers have much more fleshed out discussions that might be of interest: https://anticap.wordpress.com/2016/08... ... https://newrepublic.com/article/13871... ... https://elizabethcatte.com/2016/11/19... ... if interested.


message 21: by Lily (new) - rated it 2 stars

Lily Madison wrote: "Hey D8u, for some reason I have an idiosyncratic need to rally against this book whenever I see a friend discuss it. Love the ol' politics is downstream from culture argument. Not only did Appalach..."

I appreciate D8u's comments, but thank you, Madison, for reminding us there are many (valid) perspectives on these issues and situations. (I too have had the privilege knowing a wide range possibilities even within my own and relative families, let alone the communities within which I have worked and lived.)


Darwin8u Madison, no... I appreciate your feedback a ton. I think my hedge "some" was meant to suggest (obviously too lightly) that while the book has benefited from trying to understand Trump voters AND Appalachia, it isn't close to being a perfect explanation. Your criticisms are spot on. That is why the substance is a 3-star. His personal experience emotionally connected, however, because it reminded me of my dad. Again, your feedback is appreciated.


message 23: by Glenn (new)

Glenn Russell Echo how your review is a beautiful tribute to your dad. Also a tribute to your vision to help others directly, person-to-person, who have the desire to grow but have a lot less resources then yourself. Bravo.


Darwin8u Glenn wrote: "Echo how your review is a beautiful tribute to your dad. Also a tribute to your vision to help others directly, person-to-person, who have the desire to grow but have a lot less resources then your..."

Thanks Glenn. We do what we can when we can.


message 25: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Great review! I haven't read the book yet, though it's on my long list, but I appreciate your takes—both the critical aspect and the personal. I'm not always eager to friend folks I don't know here—I'm really a horrible snob I guess but so many people are either looking to push their own work (nothing wrong with that) or their reviews just aren't that worth my time (nothing wrong with that on their end either—I just read a lot of reviews and I'm picky about where I put my limited energies). But I've really enjoyed reading yours, as well as having a chance to check out what you're reading. Both are always really interesting. So, thanks for the good reviews and reads, and with this one I feel like I actually do have a little insight into what makes you tick. Not that that's a requirement, but it is a nice angle to these online reading connections.


Darwin8u Lisa wrote: "Great review! I haven't read the book yet, though it's on my long list, but I appreciate your takes—both the critical aspect and the personal. I'm not always eager to friend folks I don't know here..."

Thanks. Yes. Sometimes, self-published authors bearing books aren't the best friends. :)


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Deyanne Stunning and heartfelt review. You so eloquently express your thoughts and feelings and the connections you had to this book. I acknowledge your honesty and insights.


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Deyanne Just read Lisa's comments. Couldn't agree more about how the openness reinforces connections and how gratifying this is. Books are a marvelous tool to bring people together. Just watched the Netflix movie "Guernsey ..." ehich reinforces this beautifully. Love Goodreads and the friends I've made.


Darwin8u The system isn't letting me delete my review. I really do wish i hadn't thrown away my 1st edition, just so I could check to see if the Couch pages were there. At this point, I'm just impressed with the 5-star shitposters who started this. Although their couch memes probably are the reasons I can't delete my own God Damn review (I probably should have deleted my own review a few years ago). I guess it serves as a lesson now.


Darwin8u Madison wrote: "Hey D8u, for some reason I have an idiosyncratic need to rally against this book whenever I see a friend discuss it. Love the ol' politics is downstream from culture argument. Not only did Appalach..."

Madison, your view ended up changing my mind a few years ago. Now that I've realized what a souless fucker he really was. He was cosplaying an Appalachian and now he's cosplaying being a Republican. He just seems like a giant opportunist that will say or write anything to move the needle. Thank you, way too many years too late.


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