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July 2024

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to Name of Ukraine and this edit to Iryna Farion, you may be blocked from editing. TheWestBelongsToUkraine (talk) 21:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, then what? Mellk (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He must be blocked Marcus Master (talk) 16:15, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they were blocked. Mellk (talk) 16:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mellk, why you without explanation deleting updates?

First of all, my updates were much more relevant to scientific point of view, you better leave comment why there is ignorant and propagandistic part of wiki could be left this way instead of using more objective and more scientific points. We can discuss via email, or add your comment what should be proved with link or so Marcus Master (talk) 16:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest to check the WP policies first. You keep making unsourced changes. See WP:V. Mellk (talk) 16:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You already received several warnings for this as well, with the relevant links for guidance, but you are still repeating this behavior. Mellk (talk) 16:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted Theofan Prokopovich edit

Why? As far as I understand, the modern name of the Ukrainian capital should be generally used. Furthermore, the linked sources also state clearly that he was also a Ukrainian, so including his name in Ukrainian is entirely valid. Mnohohrishnyi (talk) 14:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus is detailed here. Mellk (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You also made several other unexplained and unsourced changes. Mellk (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only other changes besides Kiev -> Kyiv (which I now acknowledge was wrong) was clarifying what Theofan's name is in Ukrainian. That should definitely stay. One of the primary sources of the article, Ukrainian Encyclopedia online, directly calls him a Ukrainian statesman. Mnohohrishnyi (talk) 18:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I have restored it and additionally added the Ukrainian romanization. Mellk (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that looks better. Mnohohrishnyi (talk) 19:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Russian SFSR

I have a concern over Vasily Utkin.

You see, all Russian biographical articles have an infobox using Russian SFSR, examples including Vladimir Putin, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, and Tsar Nicholas II.

As per Talk:Vladimir Putin/Archive 17#Geo links in infobox that engaging edit war over "Russian SFSR" by omitting as irrelevant option. By the time, it violates Wikipedia:General sanctions/Russo-Ukrainian War. 49.150.12.163 (talk) 10:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem here is that Moscow Oblast in the context of the Soviet Union is the second-level administration division. It does not really make sense to include the second-level administration but not the first-level one (Russian SFSR). Today, it is a first-level administrative division, but not then. Either both or neither should be included. Mellk (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean, for example Yevgeny Prigozhin was born in Leningrad, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union is in the infobox, is this comprehensible? 49.150.12.163 (talk) 11:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oblasts isn't included, only Soviet republics included until 1991 for infoboxes. 49.150.12.163 (talk) 11:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At the time, Leningrad was a city of republican subordination, not part of Leningrad Oblast. A better example would be Sverdlovsk. It is best to say "Sverdlovsk, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union", or perhaps "Sverdlovsk, Soviet Union". But I think the first option is usually preferable, the second one where the republic is omitted might only work for capitals of republics or just Moscow. Mellk (talk) 11:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See also Template: Infobox person where it says for birth_place parameter: For union republics, subordinate country can be shown. Mellk (talk) 11:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, also can applies to union republics of SFR Yugoslavia as well? 49.150.12.163 (talk) 11:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since Yugoslavia was a federated state, I do not see why not. Mellk (talk) 11:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mellk and Firefangledfeathers: As a remedy for Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe, Mike Novikoff repeatedly omitting "Russian SFSR" to infobox on Vasily Utkin for not following Template:Infobox person/doc. Should we proceed to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, after receiving this, and this discussion on Putin's infobox.

And by the way, should we designate this article as contentious topic? 49.150.12.163 (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also for David Burliuk in 2022, for removing "Ukraine" from infobox it specifically violates the WP:GS/RUSUKR:

49.150.12.163 (talk) 23:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OMG, it looks like WP:DUCK. Perhaps my old "friend" SwissArmyGuy is here again. With his poor English and total misunderstanding of what Arbitration Committee is, among other things. — Mike Novikoff 01:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Novikoff: For the last time, after making four WP:ANI discussions (1, 2, 3, 4) for a long content dispute that you edit as a contentious topic via Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Balkans or Eastern Europe. @Firefangledfeathers: should we proceed to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement? 49.150.12.163 (talk) 01:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The duck quacks louder and louder, yet it even starts trying to hide. — Mike Novikoff 01:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Novikoff: since union republics of the Soviet Union are most important for biographical articles, for example, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was born in "Kryvyi Rih, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union" is included the infobox, you can't omit it. 49.150.12.163 (talk) 02:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not for people born in (or near) the largest Russian cities. Everybody knows what Moscow or Leningrad are, and everybody knows it's not Ukraine or Tajikistan. Infoboxes should be concise. On the other hand, specifying a small town such as Balashikha and omitting Moscow Oblast is wrong, because it forces the reader to follow the link for the town that they might not know. — Mike Novikoff 03:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You mean Yevgeny Prigozhin, Alexei Navalny, are born in "Leningrad, Russian SFSR", also for Tsar Nicholas II died in "Yekaterinburg, Russian SFSR". 49.150.12.163 (talk) 03:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is best to start a more centralized discussion somewhere like Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Russia to get more opinions on the matter. Mellk (talk) 04:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, but would still look a little odd to me to say something like "Moscow Uyezd, Russian Empire". I am not sure if the MOS is strict about this, though, but this is just my opinion. Mellk (talk) 04:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? It's better than a small town alone. As for the MoS, I can't find a rule for this specific case, but we do have MOS:NOFORCELINK. And RSFSR is just too broad, it says almost nothing about the location. — Mike Novikoff 05:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kolky

Dear Mellk, thanks for your interest in the page about Kolky. I would have to disagree about the idea that my edit was not neutral. I have included an historical fact which is supported by the verified local source ("The Routes of the Generations"). Since Kolky is a Ukrainian village, I think it deserves to have the information from local sources and local scholars. It is quite unfair that my edit is being constantly deleted in favour of a particular viewpoint, which is not even fully historically correct and reflects only one nation's view of history. Please let the page about Kolky include also the factual information from local sources. Thanks & best regards Kjfkfwhefjheklw (talk) 11:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, the reference should contain the original title ("Маршрути поколінь"), the translated title should be in the trans-title parameter. Otherwise it is difficult to find the source.

Secondly, I could not find any other sources to support the statement that Polish and Soviet forces massacred the civilian population in November 1943 and ended the republic (the page number and quote is also missing). This is also a questionable source at best since the author simply glorifies the UPA and is more of a guide book. As a result, we should not be using it for exceptional claims. In general, reliable sources should be cited. Mellk (talk) 11:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]