User:Ttonyb1/May 2011 Archives

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why are you wishing to delete?

It fails to establish notability. ttonyb (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi,

RE - Bantams Trek - Have added some more references, there are more, and more info to be added, have tried to make sure it is in keeping with Wikipedia standards, feel free to advise on any issues as only my second page addition to Wikipedia. Have tried to remain within the guidelines. Page seems however to have disappeared on the search, which seems a little quick as there is plenty of information. Not only that, now a number of other reliably sourced links. Telegraph & Argus link is also the paper for the 6th largest City in the UK, so not small fry. More info about everything on my talkpage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Easybizsites (talk • contribs) 00:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Professional football clubs x 4 and press of 6th largest city in the uk, what more do you need? Easybizsites (talk) 00:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Please state, a little confused :)

This article appears to fail WP:EVENT. I have created an AfD to get a wider view of the event and better eyes on the article. ttonyb (talk) 00:58, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

It is not an event, it is ongoing. If it was a one off event, or just a series of events i could understand your reasoning. However this is not, it is a group set up directly to help the bradford burns unit, which does work for the world helping research into burns and it is backed by bradford city football club. This is very relevant to the bradford burns unit, bradford city football club and the city of bradford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Easybizsites (talk • contribs) 01:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Ttonyb1 …

It looks like EJ Topping, Author (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been recreated after you requested its speedy deletion under another name … this piece of vanispamcruftisement looks like it's an autobiography, or else the work of a serious fanboy … in any event, I'm afraid it will take a WP:AfD to get rid of it since a WP:PROD will probably be contested by the author … are you willing to take the lead on this?

Happy Editing! — 71.166.156.113 (talk · contribs) _{03:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)}

 Done … Thnx! :-) — 71.166.156.113 (talk) 00:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I've flagged Medio systems for speedy deletion on the basis of an unremarkable company that does not meet the notability guideline. Just giving you the heads up as I see from the history that you have some concerns too. Best ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 23:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I also see the creator has a COI as the company's product manager. ttonyb (talk) 23:20, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

1) I shouldn't have to ask but do not ever attempt to threaten me again. 2) You should have enough intelligent sense and experience editing and updating Wiki articles to know how to do research enough that you can see my references can be verified. They have been. Obviously, you didn't check all the sites and references I included. Check again. 3) I don't care what your arguments are against what I've stated above. I will not read or respond to further accusations, comments, or manipulations of the article I created so don't bother. Just do your research, remove the alerts, and everything will be peachy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erkman27 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

There was no threat, just a warning telling what will happen if you continue to add copyrighted material to Wikipedia. ttonyb (talk) 01:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Erkman27 (talk) 01:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)I am having Billy's son Jack make further edits to the page as well as adding verification for the use of the photo and associated article information. That should relieve any notion of neutrality abuse or copyright infringement.

Interesting apology. You may want to read WP:OWN. My best to you. ttonyb (talk) 01:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind me using your talkpage for a bit, because, as you say, the discussion was beginning to devolve more around you and Erkman might not like us ignoring him on his own talkpage. As to WP:VANDTYPES I’ve read the relevant section on copyright violations and extending my good faith towards him it does not appear that this user is aware of what he is doing. As indicated by his comment "I actually have no idea what you're talking about" he is at least made aware that his actions are inappropriate, and so this is more of a behavior issue than mere vandalism. I know that some people can be thickheaded sometimes, but you should persist in attempting to communicate your thoughts to him, somehow. If you wish to continue to try and correct his actions I suggest using the more appropriate forums like the administrators’ noticeboard or the copyright contributor investigations page in order to more effectively communicate your problems, rather than heading straight to WP:AIV. Furthermore, I see that you have been placing a template on his talkpage and continually reverting on the article; what I would have probably done in your place would have been to contact him on his talkpage and explain to him why what he is inserting is a copyright violation. And if it doesn’t get resolved, ask an uninvolved administrator via WP:ANI to look into it if I can hopefully accomplish the same thing.

Hope this helps, :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 04:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for moving this here, but I do not agree with your assessment of the situation. There is nothing wrong with adding user warning templates to a user's talk page. If you note only the first template that was placed on the user's page without an additional comment – all others were placed with comments attached to the templates. You talk about continuing to try to communicate with user, well I tried for over an hour to get through to the user, but he continued to ignore the issue of copy violation. I do not understand what you mean, "this is more of a behavior issue than mere vandalism". Vandalism is a behavior. Look, I understand you concern that this might be seen as biting a new user, but this was not a issue that I jumped allover the user without trying to advise him of the problem – and yes, {{uw-copyvio}} is a valid way to accomplish this. Why would I wish to use the administrators’ noticeboard or copyright contributor investigations page, this was clearly a copy violation followed by vandalism. If you notice, this has been resolved without needing to ban the user, but only after he opened up to talking about the situation. My best to you. ttonyb (talk) 05:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Fine with me. I'm just concerned if we end up scaring a good-faith contributor away, more so than inviting a bad-faith one. But it seems that with him at least, it seems resolved. Cheers, :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Tony - Could the deleted page of Stewart Pearce (Master of Voice) be completely removed from the web? I have created a new page with info which should adhere to Wiki's code.

Kindest - Sarb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarbdeeps (talk • contribs) 10:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello again, Ttonyb1 … Articles may only get a WP:PROD once (you did a PROD twice on Eben rey before taking it to WP:AfD), and a previous PROD can be hard to find in an article's edit history, so please add a {{Old prod full}} template to an article's talk page as a notice to other editors … I usually add it when I do a {{Prod-2}} on an article … just a friendly FYI. :-) — 71.166.156.113 (talk) 14:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Dear Tony

I think we have some confusion

I am using content that was produced by the owner of the violin with whom i am currently employed. There is no unlawful use of content as you suggest. While i may be unfamiliar with your process I am not malicious in my attempts to clarify the record of this instrument. EVERY post you have removed was both accurate and using content that was created by myself or an AUTHORIZED Representative of the violins owner.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Scooterlane (talk • contribs) 14:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Please read donating copyrighted materials for information concerning the use of "owned" copyrighted material. Until permission is received it is still a copyright violation. ttonyb (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

And why have you been deleting a the content that I WROTE that was cited in the WSJ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scooterlane (talk • contribs) 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Because it appears to a copy of previously published material. ttonyb (talk) 15:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm new at this and could benefit from your advice. I thought the idea was to link in order to explain as many terms as possible. What would you recommend for linking guidelines. I am also trying to add more categories and references. At what point do I ask for a resolution of the outstanding issues on this page and how do I go about doing so? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernie4321 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello again, Ttonyb1 … I tagged this unsourced BLP Paul Rhys (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) with a WP:PROD, and the author removed it the same day without any improvements … it's been sitting there for a couple of years with just a link to IMDb and lists of their film, TV, and stage credits … I put some lipstick on this pig, but I think that it shout go to WP:AfD … I'd appreciate your help in making that happen. Happy Editing! — 141.156.222.164 (talk · contribs) _{12:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)}

Feel free to create an account and you can then nominate it as an AfD. If you need any help doing so, feel free to let me know. ttonyb (talk) 14:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I've got one, but I don't like to use it (my IP changed the other day) … I guess what I wanted was a Second Opinion on this one, as I don't trust my judgement right now. :-) — 141.156.222.164 (talk) 17:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ttonyb1. Thank you for your work on patrolling new pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I'm just letting you know that I declined your deletion request for Diann Blakely, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, because the criterion you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Please take a moment to look at the suggested tasks for patrollers and review the criteria for speedy deletion. Particularly, the section covering non-criteria. Such pages are best tagged with proposed deletion, proposed deletion for biographies of living persons, or sent to the appropriate deletion discussion. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 15:41, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ttonyb1. Thank you for your work on patrolling new pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I'm just letting you know that I declined your deletion request for Shonlock, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, because the criterion you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Please take a moment to look at the suggested tasks for patrollers and review the criteria for speedy deletion. Particularly, the section covering non-criteria. Such pages are best tagged with proposed deletion, proposed deletion for biographies of living persons, or sent to the appropriate deletion discussion. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 10:45, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ttonyb1... please excuse the templates above... the reason I declined the CSD A7 request for Shonlock was that there's a credible assertion of significance, in that it states his single was number 1 on the Billboard radio charts for 7 weeks. Cheers, Catfish Jim & the soapdish 10:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the messages and congratulations on the successful RfA. My best to you. ttonyb (talk) 03:46, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

how to get a copy of my deleted content ? WowCestMoiSurWiki (talk) 01:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

The Speedy Deletion tag on your talk page outlines how to get a copy of the deleted article. ttonyb (talk) 03:44, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, have a question regarding how many third party links are required for this page? I show several newspaper articles and a couple magazine articles one of which was a two page spread with images. Also appears to be a thesis on there that per the guidelines states is an approved document as it has peer review. I'll work on the intro as I was reading up on it and can see what it needs. The movie info as far as I can tell only appears on IMDB and his website. Is IMDB acceptable to reference for that section, I know it's not a true third party source?�� —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobtweis (talk • contribs) 02:40, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. Let me see if I can answer all your questions. The number of references is not important; however, the the quality of the source is important. The newspaper articles I could find were very limited mentions of the article subject. I tried to find the articles Express News and KS City Star and was unable to find any mention of the articles or the article subject in the archives. I believe a thesis is a reliable source in the case of a doctoral thesis, regardless, the thesis does little to support the article. IMDB is not a reliable source by itself. ttonyb (talk) 03:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Can you please explain as to why you have edited this page?

Did you read the edit summaries? ttonyb (talk) 17:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

What copyrighted material is this you are referring to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nezamali (talk • contribs) 17:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

http://www.lawsociety.kk5.org/#/mooting/4546326809 ttonyb (talk) 17:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

All of the content on that website was created by myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nezamali (talk • contribs) 17:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

See this search. I don't think much of the Indian media's fact-checking standards! One of those video clips shows his invitation card which, needless to say, is quite different from the real ones. JohnCD (talk) 16:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I just finished looking at his "book". Incredibly weird stuff...I also like the claim, "one of the most widely read Historical Literature of all time in this Present World". ttonyb (talk) 16:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Association for Social Transparency, Rights And Action (ASTRA), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I think there is enough here to get it past A7 - consider PROD or AfD if you think it doesn't meet WP:ORG. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 11:47, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks--and see how soon it was gone. I edited the article in hopes that there might have been something to it, but it became clear pretty quickly that it was a lost cause. All the best, Drmies (talk) 16:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

• Whoa--I was editing a re-creation of the article, apparently! See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donny B. Lord (2nd nomination). Drmies (talk) 16:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

There's something weird about Reggie Dale Frazier Jr prefix:Talk:Main Page. Your CSD says the material came from this, but that site is simply a copy of Proof (rapper). Looks like someone either grabbed the facebook entry and changed a name or grabbed a WP article and changed the name.

Ought to be deleted in either case, but I'm not wholly comfortable deleting it as a CV of a facebook page, which itself is a copy of material that can be copied (although should be attributed).

In short, I'm happy deleting it, but I'd like some thought on the right criteria.--SPhilbrickT 23:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

My thought was the article was copied and the name changed. Perhaps deletion as a hoax? ttonyb (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could try this url instead? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 23:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Not sure how that helps. The article purportedly is about someone named Reggie Dale Frazier, but the material is either copied from a Wikipedia article about a different person, which makes it eligible for deletion as a hoax, or it is a copyright violation of this although that appears to be a copyright violation of a WP article, which would mean it is not material under copyright.

I'm leaning toward hoax, but I can't delete it as a copyright violation of material that doesn't have a copyright.--SPhilbrickT 23:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The url has substantial duplicates to make the WP hoax a copyvio, see Duplication Detector for the http://www.thisis50.com/forum/topics/proof-the-most-underated which has its own ToS for copyright. This was from a quick google check, and I'm sure you could find out more beyond that. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 23:52, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

TeleComNasSprVen, I don't think we are on the same page. You are demonstrating similarity between a page about Proof and the Reggie Dale Frazier page, but I think that's simply because someone ripped off the WP material in the WP page Proof (rapper). If you are trying to show that Proof (rapper) is a copyvio, then that's a different subject. If you are demonstrating that the Reggie Dale Frazier page is a copvio, we need to confirm that the material at http://www.thisis50.com/forum/topics/proof-the-most-underated is under copyright. I don't think it is. I don't think Reggie Dale Frazier is an alternate name for Proof, I think it's some kid who wants a page with his name and Proof's bio. If someone wants to change the CSD tag to hoax, I'll delete it. If you want it deleted as a copyvio, we need evidence that the material at http://www.thisis50.com/forum/topics/proof-the-most-underated is under copyright, and I don't think it is. (I know, the presumption is that material is under copyright, but there's reason to question it. Sorry if it sounds like I'm being a pain, but I don't intend to delete material as a copyvio when I don't think it is a copyvio.--SPhilbrickT 00:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of OlsenDaines, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 19:30, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Ttonyb1, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Jon Acuff, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. --Σ _☭^★ 22:11, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

...and what is the credible assertion of notability? Working 8 jobs in 8 years? Being an author? Starting a blog? ttonyb (talk) 22:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

There's a difference between notability and importance/significance. The A7 criterion is only for articles that make no claim of importance/significance. Notability is not a factor in deciding whether or not to use the A7 tag. The article does assert importance/significance, but not necessarily notability, for which articles should be deleted/discussed through the PROD and AFD processes. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 19:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually I am well aware of the difference and use of CSD tags. The statement above should have been, "...and what is the credible assertion of importance or significance?" Thanks for taking the time to comment. ttonyb (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

So here I am working on an article and along you come and redirect the whole page destroying all of my work. Thank you. I think I can return the favor since your intention is obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wesley1235 (talk • contribs) 01:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure what you are assuming my intent is, but you might be embarrassed to find out it is to improve the quality of Wikipedia. In this case, per WP:ORG, articles about local chapters of larger organizations are redirected to the larger organization's article. I am not sure what you mean by, "I think I can return the favor since your intention is obvious", but I suggest you read WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. My best to you. ttonyb (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Tony, I am sorry about the confused messages and articles. Pertaining to the other message, thank you for understanding. I was startled with the speed at which you edited the article and disappointed. In my disappointment I thought you may be someone out to put down anything masonic in nature so I naturally assumed you would be booted off of Wikipedia. It was a weird thing to say and I am sorry. I would like to count the whole thing as a learning experience and try again with the advice you have given me. In the end I am actually grateful for your advice so thank you. I have had enough of staring at history sites and scans of old news papers for the day. Good night Tony. (hey, I can sign this are you impressed? ;) ) --Wesley1235 (talk) 02:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem and thanks for the apology. Just so you know, Wikipedia is not censored and censorship is not taken lightly by the community. If there is anything I can do to help you navigate Wikipedia, please let me know. My best to you and I am impressed. 8-) ttonyb (talk) 02:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Pertaining the article that you deleted, I never had the opportunity to show you why it should not be deleted. One main reason is, if this article was branded promotional, why isn't the article that I followed of a similar record company ie. used as a guideline(which 'is' and 'still is' on Wikipedia) not branded as "promotional". Before a correction was made on this article, one of your associates pointed out to something that I wrote "uncompromisingly creative" as the bad words that killed the article. What is the difference between what I have used and what someone have used "fiercely alternative" (and by the way it is still on Wikipedia)? If you're going the way of promotional, then they both are, but if you're not then they are not, but rather both descriptive. Right?

Looking up my history I realised that this same thing happened to my previous article several years ago. Back then I didn't bother, but this time I'm interested in the truth. So please some answers to some of my questions is the least I can get.(Tafal2525 (talk) 12:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC))

It appears you are not questioning the fact that the article is "promotional" in nature, but rather you are concerned that another article is allowed to remain on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, other stuff exists. I cannot comment on the other article since you have not provided the name of that article. As far as creating the article, I would suggest creating it in a sandbox in your Users space and when it is completed move it to the mainspace. If you need any help with this, please let me know. Thanks ttonyb (talk) 20:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The picture you signed as copyright violation is being used with permission of the author. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obocci (talk • contribs) 23:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Please sign you entries using four tildes ~~~~.

You need to provide evidence that you have permission to use the pictures. Since you are not the owner of the image, you need to request permission from the owner to use it. Please see [1]. ttonyb (talk) 23:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I have no objections. I will defer to your judgment about that. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 06:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and my best to you. ttonyb (talk) 06:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I just stopping by to say that I really appreciate your good work on the Caylee Anthony homicide article. Thanks again.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks... ttonyb (talk) 15:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

		The Current Events Barnstar
		For your clean-up work at Caylee Anthony homicide, helping change it from a true crime novel to something more useful Niteshift36 (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the Barnstar. One gets used to conflict as a cost of editing, but kindness such as this moves me deeply. Thanks again. ttonyb (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello, It has been a mistake on my part, because there were certain things that I was not aware of them. Thank you very much for your help and suggestions, I will take your advice and take you on your invitation if I need help I will contact you. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tafal2525 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi ttonyb1,

I was asked by Erik Brunetti to help clean up his page. I've made some edits to the content so that the article provide more of a neutral point of view. I think because of the short nature of the article it does not require any additional in-line citations (currently 2). I've cited the major claims that do not require reference links. I will be adding an image of Erik's work, provided from the man himself to help clean up the look of the page. Please let me know what you think, and I'll make the proper adjustments.

Thank you.

- evildeadxsp — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evildeadxsp (talk • contribs) 02:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Why do you wish to delete my entry when there are other pages devoted to wrestlers with the same amount of information? I'm new to making wikipedia pages and am confused as to what I need to do to not get the page deleted. I'm sorry I deleted the coding but what I read on the help page (which doesn't help in the least bit) told me to and to write a reason as to why I deleted it. It didn't tell me where to write it. This page needs to be up for Dom Vitalli. I believe it will help his career. I am also working with Dom Vitalli to bring this page up to code. He doesn't know how to edit Wikipedia so he will provide me information so I can edit it.Matt 15:27, 29 May 2011 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.91.212 (talk) 15:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The article fails to establish notability. Your reason for the page existing is not valid – Wikipedia is not for WP:PROMOTION. In addition, please see WP:COI. ttonyb (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

How do I edit the page in sandbox? I will just work on it there until I have more "notable" information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naosix (talk • contribs) 18:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I have created a copy of the article at User:Naosix/Dom Vitalli. You can edit it and when you believe it is ready you can move it to the mainspace. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions or need any help. My best to you... ttonyb (talk) 18:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Ttonyb1. I noticed you, or another editor created a Requests for Adminship page under your name, and I was wondering as to what the status of that request might be. If you are still intent on running for adminship with that request, please do let me know; otherwise, I'll go ahead and delete the RfA page for you in about a week or so from today. FASTILY ^(TALK) 08:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I still plan on running. Thanks. ttonyb (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

You keep removing the Biography from page: Grube & Hovsepian...Why? It is a biography for the music duo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PressGiant1984 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

As indicated on the tag on your talk page, it is a copyright violation, a copy of the text in http://www.armadamusic.com/artist/grube-hovsepian/. ttonyb (talk) 23:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Tony: The templates you put up are being erased because they are incorrect. The person the entry describes has no issue meeting Wikipedia's notability requirements, for example, since she is a featured contestant on a national network show on Bravo TV. Please check your reference links. thanks! Learningsocal (talk) 23:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Please show me where this is a criteria in WP:BIO, WP:N, or other Wikipedia notability criteria. ttonyb (talk) 23:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Lennert van Dessel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lennert van Dessel until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. andy (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey I have only recently seen your comment on my talk page. I just wanted to thank you it was a very kind gesture and was really enlightening and necessary. Thank you Ttyonyb1 H.izzo25 (talk) 22:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)h.izzo25

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