Review: 76232 The Hoopty
Posted by CapnRex101,
LEGO sets are commonly criticised as expensive and often justifiably so. However, few examples rival 76232 The Hoopty in that respect. Despite including 420 pieces and three minifigures, this set costs an incomprehensible £84.99, $89.99 or €94.99.
Although this price is impossible to ignore, I am interested in the titular spacecraft. The vessel's stubby proportions and rounded shape look unusual and official images show ample interior. Furthermore, the minifigures have definite potential, especially since Ms. Marvel so infrequently appears in minifigure form.
Summary
76232 The Hoopty, 420 pieces.
£84.99 / $89.99 / €94.99 | 20.2p/21.4c/22.6c per piece.
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76232 The Hoopty is an enjoyable set, sadly overshadowed by its absurd price
- Distinctive spacecraft design
- Excellent interior
- Unbelievably overpriced
- Mediocre minifigures
The set was provided for review by LEGO. All opinions expressed are those of the author.
Minifigures
Several versions of Captain Marvel have now been released, almost always similarly dressed in the character's dark blue and red garb. This minifigure is no exception, although it features a new torso, adorned with accurate bands of metallic gold and an updated belt. However, this was a missed opportunity to include dual-moulded arms, recreating Captain Marvel's short sleeves.
Photon is another minifigure where I think there is potential for improvement, especially since the white stripes on her legs are absent. The black and white torso looks excellent though and includes a nice metallic silver symbol, while the hair component created for Monica Rambeau's Collectable Minifigure is brilliantly detailed.
By far my favourite of the three minifigures is Ms. Marvel, whose Marvel Cinematic Universe incarnation has not appeared in LEGO form before. The dark brown hair piece suits her quite well and this minifigure does include decorated legs, completing the dark blue and gold design from her torso. Even so, it seems a shame that her original costume from the Disney+ series lacks a minifigure.
Ms. Marvel includes a cheerful double-sided head introduced in 21337 Table Football, but the two excited expressions suit her personality. Photon's returning head is less effective because Monica needed a face with glowing eyes. The pack of trans-orange accessories seems peculiar too, as all three heroes' powers are predominantly tinged with blue or purple onscreen.
Goose is Captain Marvel's Flerken companion, but outwardly looks like a common house cat, so uses an equally common LEGO part. The dark orange colour is accurate, but I wish Goose featured a printed collar. In addition, it appears Goose will be having kittens during The Marvels, hence a pair of white and dark bluish grey kittens are included too.
The Completed Model
LEGO produces no shortage of spacecraft, but this example is unusual. The rounded shapes look superb and flow quite well between the front and back, especially in combination with the large windscreen. The tested colour combination of light bluish grey with sand blue highlights is appealing too, although understandable criticism has been levelled against the renders on the box, as their silvery finish is not present in reality.
The vessel measures 24cm in length, which is a good size for play, but is evidently rather small in relation to the price. I think 76127 Captain Marvel and The Skrull Attack offers a fair point of comparison because both vehicles have similar visual presence, although the Hoopty is more substantial overall. However, the 2019 set cost less than a third of its successor in most regions, which is damning.
Even so, the general design is effective, beginning with the trans-orange windscreen. I like how this colour stands out and the canopy's forward angle looks nice, in combination with 1x2 grille slopes minimising gaps underneath. The rounded bodywork on the sides is impressive as well, re-using the 3x3 quarter dish elements and incorporating a pair of stud shooters.
A few trans-orange bricks are found along either flank as well, complementing the cockpit and breaking up the Hoopty's exterior. Moreover, the transitions between varied slopes and curved slopes are very smooth and I like the shaping behind the cockpit, in particular. A couple of sand blue 1x1 half-circle tiles add welcome detail, alongside occasional stickers.
The underside of this spacecraft is odd, as the 1x16 bricks reinforcing the model remain wholly exposed. These elements look reasonable, but I think they could have been integrated with the fuselage more effectively. Moreover, the section underneath the cockpit is hollow and should be finished with a plate on the bottom, which is a strange omission.
While the bricks on the underside are unusual, these maximise the space available inside the vehicle. The entire canopy and roof assembly is therefore connected via Technic pins and lifts open to reach the interior, providing easy access. Mark Stafford is known for designing models with generous interiors and this example continues the trend.
There is accordingly room for all three minifigures to sit inside the cockpit and several others could stand in the living area behind. While there is no doorway to distinguish the cockpit, the use of white elements provides a degree of visual separation and seems accurate to the vessel onscreen, based on what little has been shown in trailers for The Marvels.
One detail that does appear in the trailer, however, is Carol Danvers' communication with Nick Fury. A stickered holographic screen with Nick Fury's image is thus found in the cockpit, beside two control levers and another screen displaying the Hoopty. Additional control panels along the sides of the cockpit are also represented with stickers.
The living quarters further back are not quite as readily accessible, but include even more detail. A selection of accessories are kept along both walls, notably including a screen showing a star system, which matches those in the cockpit. Book cover elements have been used similarly in previous sets, serving brilliantly as holographic displays.
Some plants, a printed record, a jar of coffee and an alien weapon are placed on the opposite side. Again, trailers for the film have shown little of the Hoopty's interior, but the vehicle seems rather untidy from the brief clips, in which case the variety of accessories is perfect. These also offer a splash of colour to the interior.
A simple bed is situated at the back of the spacecraft and accommodates a minifigure. Like the cockpit, there is no wall or door separating this section of the interior. However, the trans-light blue wall panels flanking the bed do give some indication of partition between the main living area and the sleeping quarters.
In general, I am pleased with the interior and much of the exterior too. The back is probably the weakest area though, lacking the detail present towards the front. Furthermore, each engine is only connected using one Technic pin, so they tend to wobble, while the 2x4 tile between them looks very plain. The thrusters underneath are perfect though and integrate 1x2 grille slopes for texture.
Overall
76232 The Hoopty is quite an enjoyable set, particularly for its distinctive rounded shape and extensive interior. The minifigures seem reasonable too, although Captain Marvel and Photon would have benefitted from dual-moulded and printed arms, respectively. Also, the use of trans-orange pieces to represent all three characters' powers is disappointing.
Of course, the price is an insurmountable issue. £84.99, $89.99 or €94.99 is wildly expensive, even when compared with equivalent Super Heroes sets. After all, there are only three figures and the Flerken, with no intricate new elements or other factors that sometimes increase prices. Personally, I think half price would be acceptable and I hope discounts reach that level, as the Hoopty is generally satisfying.
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This is a $40 set.
Wow.
Marvel isn't my thing so I wouldn't buy it anyway, and I generally don't complain about the price of Lego sets, but $90 US is absurd.
@CapnRex101 : Kamala is/was also available in 10784, a 2022-set, still in stock as we speak.
I want to like this set. It's a nice spaceship. Captain Marvel was great (until around Civil War II, when the writers basically made her Super-Fascist in Tony's stead); Photon was great until she became stuck with Machine Man and other Z-list losers (after which she became pretty awesome). Kamala is always an absolute delight, and the only good thing that came out of that whole "let's make the Inhumans the new mutants, yayyy!"-fiasco from a few years back.
But come on. I can't justify this price-tag. No one can do that, unless their superpower is bending at the knees. Fellow nerds, you've got a few more months to pick up Ms. Marvel from the 4+ range, don't pretend you're not tempted!
I probably could have phrased that better.
Don't know why LEGO keep doing lazy versions of Captain Marvel. Just want one really well detailed figure good enough for display and accurate to the design on screen. Each one has had a major flaw. Such a shame.
I'm sure FireStar will have a fix before too long.
I'm not usually one to complain about prices, while it SUCKS there are times where I can go, yeah outside of public outrage, I can at least somewhat understand the price.
But my god, the price on this set is something else, it is grossly overpriced and I'm just stunned by it. And it's a shame, I actually do like this set. Sure I'm not totally one for Marvel sets and I'm not interested in the movie this set is based off of, but I love that ship alot! I want it! But, despite my desires to get this set. I won't. Not for that price anyway. Maybe I'll buy it off of Bricklink used with no minifigs and maybe it'll go down to 30usd or something.
You pay the additional $50 for the surprise of the box outright lying to you.
The pricing department @ TLC is off their anti-insanity pills again
I'm at a stage where I look at Lego sets and wonder how likely it is that I can either 1) sell the set sans minifigures and recoup most of the cost, or 2) hold out for a decent clearance.
I got lucky with Black Panther: War on the Water 76214 and pulled off both. (I am also noting that, of late, a lot of MCU and Star Wars films lack any kind of permanent iconography in their ships or locations such that I'd *want* to keep the big build. A Quinjet or Avengers Tower is iconic in its own right and the kind of thing I'd want to keep. The Hoopty looks kind of like generic spaceship 37 and maybe would make an interesting parts pack.)
LEGO must be the only company with 100% inflation.
$90?!??! I wouldn't pay over 50, and THAT'S too much.
Think this set is more proof that price per piece is no longer a valid representation of lego worth. While this set is still overpriced, many of the pieces are large, or shapes you can't normally get. Compare that to several other sets, which high part counts, but the pieces are single tiles...
I do really like the design, but when shown that the previous Captain Marvel set was a third the price for 100 parts less... I'll have to wait for this set to get a heavy discount before I consider buying it.
What an odd mix of really, really cool, and really, really unfinished. The price genuinely makes no sense here -- it'd be fine at $50-$60 *if" the underside was better finished and the minifigures had additional detail.
I try not to be overly critical, but come now.
@Ridgeheart said:
" @CapnRex101 : Kamala is/was also available in 10784, a 2022-set.
I want to like this set. It's a nice spaceship. Captain Marvel was great (until around Civil War II, when the writers basically made her Super-Fascist in Tony's stead); Photon was great until she became stuck with Machine Man and other Z-list losers (after which she became pretty awesome). Kamala is always an absolute delight, and the only good thing that came out of that whole "let's make the Inhumans the new mutants, yayyy!"-fiasco from a few years back.
But come on. I can't justify this price-tag. No one can do that, unless their superpower is bending at the knees. Fellow nerds, you've got a few more months to pick up Ms. Marvel from the 4+ range, don't pretend you're not tempted!"
What about 76076?
I don't know enough about the character's backstory to determine whether it is a different person.
LEGO is loosing touch with reality with prices like these. I don’t think there has been a set of worse value than this monstrosity!
I still don’t see what makes it a hoopty.
Sounds like the Marvel writers desperately want us to know they’re hip to 90s urban slang. I’m surprised there’s not a “Woomp! There it is!” on the back of the box over a picture of the Flerken.
It looks nice as a parts pack, but not at that price. Maybe Stafford should’ve gone with a brick-built canopy instead of that giant Slave-1 canopy again.
Sucks for LEGO, too. Their timing for this would’ve worked, if Disney hadn’t suddenly moved the release date around.
You know normies are looking at this wondering where it came from.
I’m not going to say what this looks like…but it looks like it’s entirely appropriate.
Good spaceship for 45 bucks!
I do like this set and would like to get it at some point but at the end of the day, like the iron man armoury from a couple years ago, there's no justification for the price. This thing would have to go for more than 50% off for me to consider it, which is a real shame.
38€ and it's risky.
Go off Capn (as the kids say)! Glad you are not pulling any punches with that price tag.
@PurpleDave an old telephone, obviously.
@GrizBe said:
"Think this set is more proof that price per piece is no longer a valid representation of lego worth. While this set is still overpriced, many of the pieces are large, or shapes you can't normally get. Compare that to several other sets, which high part counts, but the pieces are single tiles..."
Shhhh. I used to get yelled at for arguing this, with the counter-position being that I only wanted things to be made of "chonky parts." Apparently some people think windscreens should only be made out of 1x1 bricks.
@Ridgeheart said:
" @CapnRex101 : Kamala is/was also available in 10784, a 2022-set, still in stock as we speak."
Thank you; I forgot about those Spidey and his Amazing Friends sets.
@PurpleDave said:
"I’m not going to say what this looks like…but it looks like it’s entirely appropriate."
A grey aubergine / eggplant?
I would maybe pay $60 for this. Although I would only pay that if I was absolutely obsessed with the ship, and recognizing that it would still be overpriced. Sets like this I just guess how high of a discount it needs to get off shelves. They did a good job on interior space though.
The offensively extortionate pricing makes my opinion on the quality of this set irrelevant.
This is really not cool, my frood.
I love the design of this set as it reminds me of a Star Trek shuttlecraft. I would love to pick this up just to create a MOC from it. The price, however, is utterly absurd. Why, oh why, is this $90? We all know this isn't going to move from store shelves at this price and will be greatly discounted soon, but the starting price of this set should have been $39.99 to $44.99 at best. Someone lost their damn mind setting this MSRP.
Is anyone else seeing Captain Marvel raising two huge middle fingers with those energy pieces?
I wonder if one of the actresses demanded a personal piece of the sales of these sets.
@thom1414 said:
"This is a $40 set.
Wow."
There is no chance Lego would ever sell this for $40 considering today's pricing. Obviously the price per piece lines up, but it's way too substantial for a $40 set
the shape of the vessels has a distinct "Spaceballs" vibe IMO
the price is an insult and I am looking forward to see how quickly it's available for under half of the RRP
I can only assume this set exists solely to make all of the other overpriced sets seem better value. Because there’s just no justification otherwise for why a set of this size with this few minifigures costs this much.
@Judgeguy said:
" @thom1414 said:
"This is a $40 set.
Wow."
There is no chance Lego would ever sell this for $40 considering today's pricing. Obviously the price per piece lines up, but it's way too substantial for a $40 set "
Most sets still have a ratio of around 11 or 12 cents with outliers at least offering more larger parts, many unique double molded or otherwise difficult to produce parts. Pricing this at 50$ would have been a normal price and 60$ would have been the usual Marvel overpricing.
76212 and 76214 had similar outrageous prices at 18 or 16 cents despite not really including that many pieces that would justify it. I also doubt that it is a matter of popularity, at least I don't see how the Marvels are as much of a name as Black Panther or Iron Man. Even Spider-Man with 76261 has the arguably most anticipated Superhero set at a still somewhat decent 12 cents and that with 3 arm prints and an unusually high number of figures
The price is just baffling. You can usually tell why a set is expensive. Lots of big pieces, low volume pieces like the Jurassic Park Dinosaurs, it's licensed, minifigures, power functions. This thing is just a brick.
I have to agree that this is at least 30% above the price it should be. There are a couple of big pieces that maybe push the price up a little, sure, but I don't think they are going to push the price up to the point where it's 50% above the typical ratio of £/$ Per Piece for a standard set, nor would the windshield (for example) be a $10 piece.
I think the biggest insult with this set is how utterly half-hearted the Carol and Monica figures are. There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't have dual-molded or at least have printed the arms and legs on those characters, or on Kamala's arms. They look pathetic by modern LEGO standards.
I can only assume that price was a typo and now everyone is too embarrassed to walk it back.
@GrizBe said:
" @PurpleDave said:
"I’m not going to say what this looks like…but it looks like it’s entirely appropriate."
A grey aubergine / eggplant?"
Yes. An eggplant. Absolutely. Like the emoji.
I feel bad for any retailer that chooses to stock this, they're the ones that are going to be affected by it's price, Lego is going to get their money when retailers order this set, they aren't going to be affected by it going on steep discounts or clearance.
As for this bit:
"The underside of this spacecraft is odd, as the 1x16 bricks reinforcing the model remain wholly exposed. These elements look reasonable, but I think they could have been integrated with the fuselage more effectively. Moreover, the section underneath the cockpit is hollow and should be finished with a plate on the bottom, which is a strange omission."
Be glad they didn't! Those extra pieces would certainly have jacked up the price to €150, maybe even €200!
While overall quite a nice set, it's obvious they had to cut a few corners te keep it down to the desired price point.
Adjusted for inflation: less costly ($/pcs) than 497 Galaxy Explorer! :)
So the designer stated he put the maximum number of bricks in this set for the budget he was given.
I'd like to live in the world where that makes any sense.
@StyleCounselor said:
" @Ridgeheart said:
" @CapnRex101 : Kamala is/was also available in 10784 , a 2022-set.
I want to like this set. It's a nice spaceship. Captain Marvel was great (until around Civil War II, when the writers basically made her Super-Fascist in Tony's stead); Photon was great until she became stuck with Machine Man and other Z-list losers (after which she became pretty awesome). Kamala is always an absolute delight, and the only good thing that came out of that whole "let's make the Inhumans the new mutants, yayyy!"-fiasco from a few years back.
But come on. I can't justify this price-tag. No one can do that, unless their superpower is bending at the knees. Fellow nerds, you've got a few more months to pick up Ms. Marvel from the 4+ range, don't pretend you're not tempted!"
What about 76076 ?
I don't know enough about the character's backstory to determine whether it is a different person. "
Most likely the one the Capn mentioned. Kinda wish I had that one, might outright buy that set at some point. It's STILL twice as cheap as the Hoopty here.
76076 is probably Earth-616 (meaning the comics) and the Hoopty is presumably the version from Earth-199999 (meaning the MCU). I'm guessing the Spidey-and-Friends-verse is probably a universe unto itself, and before long, we're probably going to need yet another purge to kill off some worlds.
So in short: same character, different circumstances.
@PurpleDave said:
" @GrizBe said:
" @PurpleDave said:
"I’m not going to say what this looks like…but it looks like it’s entirely appropriate."
A grey aubergine / eggplant?"
Yes. An eggplant. Absolutely. Like the emoji."
I was thinking it looks like something you order from one of those more exotic adults only paraphernalia sites. I mean seriously did nobody in the design process realize what it looks like? Did they double the price so only the adult nerds would buy it, thus avoiding the parental complaints?
I'm a Marvel completist, but at this price, I'll either be purchasing the set at 50% off (or more)....or not at all.
Shame on LEGO for this kind of pricing strategy.
@The_Chosen_1 said:
"I'm a Marvel completist, but at this price, I'll either be purchasing the set at 50% off (or more)....or not at all.
Shame on LEGO for this kind of pricing strategy."
That, or Disney has ramped up their licensing cut so high that Lego has to do this in order to keep the sets profitable.
The M-Tron-console next to the holographic display in the living quarters is a nice touch!
The price is out of space though!
"Guys our movies are bombing at the box office, what to do we do? How do we recoup the loss?"
"Let's extort the toy market"
"Brilliant!"
Future shelf-warmer here
There's not much left to say, is there? The price is an abomination. I would absolutely LOVE to know the internal details on how this ended up at $90.
Starting to wonder if Lego is intentionally selling sets at a high price initially only to lower it officially a few months later. Feels like a pay to have it first tactic.
Finally a set that is befitting of the following (slightly altered) quote - you might have guessed which movie it's originally from ;-)
Radar Operator : Colonel, you better have a look at this radar.
Colonel : What is it, son?
Radar Operator : I don't know, sir, but it looks like a giant...
Jet Pilot : Dick. Dick, take a look out of starboard.
Co-Pilot : Oh my God, it looks like a huge...
Bird-Watching Woman : Pecker.
Bird-Watching Man : [raising binoculars] Ooh, Where?
Bird-Watching Woman : Over there. What sort of bird is that? Wait, it's not a woodpecker, it looks like someone's...
Army Sergeant : Privates. We have reports of an unidentified flying object. It has a long, smooth shaft, complete with...
Baseball Umpire : Two balls.
[looking up from game]
Baseball Umpire : What is that. It looks just like an enormous...
Chinese Teacher : Wang. pay attention.
Wang : I was distracted by that giant flying...
Musician : Willie.
Willie : Yeah?
Musician : What's that?
Willie : [squints] Well, that looks like a huge...
Colonel : Johnson.
Radar Operator : Yes, sir?
Colonel : Get on the horn to Danish Intelligence and let them know about this so called "Hoopty"
Nifty set as the ship is pretty cool looking and I like the personal touches inside. It's nice to have all the Marvels together even if the minifigures could have been a bit better executed.
But that price...WTH? No other way to state it. That's a $50 set at best. Someone over at LEGO proper needs to get with the accountants/marketers and come up with a realistic pricing structure. This set, the 4+ series (as a whole), the latest Hulkbuster, the Black Panther bust...even some of the smaller City sets have us scratching our heads a bit. I'm not cheap but I do value what my budget can allow for myself and my family. LEGO is just distancing themselves from the base demographic that got them here in the 1st place IMHO.
I can only guess that the 420 pieces is a clue as to what was going on behind the scenes when they priced this.
I am not a brickset reviewer and I am not sure what your contracts are with the lego group. But I think an effective way to show how stupid this price is to just not review it at all.
I didn't read the review past the intro. Sorry.
There are Many other appropriately priced sets out there worth reviewing. Anyone that has to have it will buy it regardless of the review.
Reviews are good for people sitting on the fence on whether to buy or not. No one was sitting on the fence for this. Nothing inside, save a goat, would have prompted anyone to change their mind on buying or not.
But thanks for the review effort Cap, just wish it had been for a set others were possibly going to buy, instead of a clear and obvious no.
@dmrankin99 said:
"Is anyone else seeing Captain Marvel raising two huge middle fingers with those energy pieces?"
It's Marvel's sly message to its audience.
I'm a sucker for less conventional spacecraft designs. Especially because it gives me a more unique starting point to hopefully make something more my own, and spark ideas for a personal sci-fi setting of mine. Which makes this price hurt even more.
I try my best to understand where a price point MAY be coming from. Not so much to excuse LEGO's pricing altogether, but to at least make sense of it and maybe prevent a kneejerk reaction. I haven't scanned the comments here yet, but unless someone else has managed to connect dots I'm not seeing, I just... I just can't do it this time.
@PurpleDave said:
"I’m not going to say what this looks like…but it looks like it’s entirely appropriate."
Suppository? I’ll say it. It’s a medical term.
I think like a lot of people I find the constant complaining about prices in the reviews totally out of touch with reality but it appears to be justified this time.
Lego seems to do this every year?
One really overpriced set.
Every company needs a write off.
Just for fun on the Price-Per-Piece debate, I looked up what Brickset has to say about 10699 , a 32x32 sand baseplate. It's given a rating of 699.0p/799.0c/799.0c (which makes sense, of course: it's a single part that costs $7.99 U.S.).
At 20.2p/21.4c/22.6c per piece., 76232 is a far more economic deal by the PPP metric, except I think I'd really rather have the Baseplate. Call me crazy.
Of course, a bag of 1,024 1x1 plates (32 x 32) would be 0.0078 per piece, which would be an amazing deal, which again shows that PPP gets absurd at the margins.
Her domino mask may not be in the movie but they should've included it because we never got a minifigure from the series. Lego once again half-arsing us with the Marvel theme.
@Faefrost:
You don’t know a single teenager, do you?
God damn, this is a set, that is barely even worth buying at 50% discount. Normally you only get the odd "to expensive to buy at 40% discount" set. Lego is really pushing the line with this one, I wonder when we will ascend to 60%.
@shedjed said:
"I am not a brickset reviewer and I am not sure what your contracts are with the lego group. But I think an effective way to show how stupid this price is to just not review it at all.
I didn't read the review past the intro. Sorry.
There are Many other appropriately priced sets out there worth reviewing. Anyone that has to have it will buy it regardless of the review."
Or review it and mention the pricing issue in the review, as they have done?
To suggest that a set shouldn’t be reviewed because of a high price is a bit backward.
@CapnRex101 said:
"LEGO produces no shortage of spacecraft"
I would, respectfully, disagree.
That's a shelf warmer. It'll be left at the price even when the Walmart LEGO isle has been scalped at Christmas.
Look, I'm usually the first to mention the (lack of) affordability of a set.
But to not beat a long dead horse, I'd like to say that I like the inclusion of the interior. I'm a sucker for spacecraft and vehicles with some real room inside for minifigs to actually move around in (glares angrily at 75284), so I really appreciate that this is basically a long hollow tube.
I could have phrased that better. Anyway, I like sets like 5974 the most and this set hits that bill.
Not that I'll EVER be able to get it, probably, not to mention the license I have absolutely zero interest in. But the craft itself seems nice all things considered and some things ignored.
Ah yes, Hoopty, a name not unlike “Hoopta-Oopta,” an emphasized fictional location in my brother’s weird try at recreating “LEGO Plane Go Boom,” known as “LEGO Plane Go Crash.” The morbid 9/11-adjacent concept is bad enough, but I can’t help but wonder if “Hoopta-Oopta” had some sort of appropriative intent in its naming, perhaps taking from “Chirac Gupta” of Diary of a Wimpy Kid. In any case, the plane goes crash, the LEGO Indiana Jones Peril in Peru build that my parents spent blood, sweat, and tears trying to find all of the pieces for and rebuild for him with unknown intent. My heart sank too, this being one of my favorite LEGO Indiana Jones sets and one that I never remembered being assembled up to this point. All for a shoddy, unfunny “video” where the plane is thrown offscreen and crashes into a barely-discernible pile that was promptly swept into many Ziploc bags, at least some of which we have since lost.
I’d blame you and your 3K subscribers, Zwoobee, for your outdated caricature “Doofy” and his influence on my brother’s destructiveness. But, he’s the real bad guy here. I learned this as he physically shoved me so that I’d completely destroy the yellow Creator propeller plane I was using to make a spin-off of a better title “LEGO Plane Go Bang” after I spent much time mastering the art of dropping the plane lightly enough that it’d satisfyingly lose a couple of pieces and sections without destroying the whole build, as, y’know, a plane crash actually goes. This build was dropped in the grass and I will likely never have all of the pieces to rebuild it again, which, of course, led me to try destroying an overpriced Playmobil plane to continue the series smashing it repeatedly into the floor, before my parents stopped me and this entire scourge upon our household.
That is what “Hoopty” means to me. That’s it’s worst quality. Not the excessive price, not the tiny build, not the lack of leg printing on 2/3 Minifigures in this $90 set. Truly the LEGO PLANE GO CRASH ! ! ! episode 1 Attack of the grizzly bear moment of all time.
It is a beautiful looking Lego spaceship, as spaceships go, but that price is just laughably ludicrous.
It's funny, because the price-per-piece isn't that bad on this one, I mean, it's terrible, but not compared to a couple of the smaller superhero sets that came out this year as well.
But for that price, it's not even worth looking at. I'll wait for the discounts to kick in, because they will.
@Trigger_:
"Hoopty" is slang for a car that's so past its prime that, if you removed the bumper stickers, it would collapse into a pile of random bits of metal.
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Just for fun on the Price-Per-Piece debate, I looked up what Brickset has to say about 10699 , a 32x32 sand baseplate. It's given a rating of 699.0p/799.0c/799.0c (which makes sense, of course: it's a single part that costs $7.99 U.S.).
At 20.2p/21.4c/22.6c per piece., 76232 is a far more economic deal by the PPP metric, except I think I'd really rather have the Baseplate. Call me crazy.
Of course, a bag of 1,024 1x1 plates (32 x 32) would be 0.0078 per piece, which would be an amazing deal, which again shows that PPP gets absurd at the margins."
That's why PPP works best as a general reference point, something akin to an average, from which you can start building a more personal value judgement. PPP, weight, volume of the final build, none of them should be treated as a hard and fast rule that applies perfectly to every scenario.
There's no need to get rid of PPP as some sort of obsolete idea. It's a familiar concept, it's readily available information, and it's just... a really handy reference point. It doesn't have to be gospel to be worthwhile.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Trigger_ :
"Hoopty" is slang for a car that's so past its prime that, if you removed the bumper stickers, it would collapse into a pile of random bits of metal."
Suppose that’s an apt name in both cases, than (not that this set looks susceptible to collapsing into a pile of random bits but because it pretty much is an assembly of random bits made to look like metal).
@Spritetoggle said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Just for fun on the Price-Per-Piece debate, I looked up what Brickset has to say about 10699 , a 32x32 sand baseplate. It's given a rating of 699.0p/799.0c/799.0c (which makes sense, of course: it's a single part that costs $7.99 U.S.).
At 20.2p/21.4c/22.6c per piece., 76232 is a far more economic deal by the PPP metric, except I think I'd really rather have the Baseplate. Call me crazy.
Of course, a bag of 1,024 1x1 plates (32 x 32) would be 0.0078 per piece, which would be an amazing deal, which again shows that PPP gets absurd at the margins."
That's why PPP works best as a general reference point, something akin to an average, from which you can start building a more personal value judgement. PPP, weight, volume of the final build, none of them should be treated as a hard and fast rule that applies perfectly to every scenario.
There's no need to get rid of PPP as some sort of obsolete idea. It's a familiar concept, it's readily available information, and it's just... a really handy reference point. It doesn't have to be gospel to be worthwhile."
Yeah, PPP is *a* metric, but all I've wanted is PPW as an *alternative* metric for cases where PPP is distorted at the margins. The awful thing about a certain vocal PPP advocate is that they *only* want PPP and then lie about why someone might want a different scale.
The Hoopty Was named after MC DJ Sir-Mix-A-Lot's smash hit "My Hooptie".
https://youtu.be/UIPr4UyiZGE?si=WzsBNStvUKgaNxtO
@VBaskin said:
"The Hoopty Was named after MC DJ Sir-Mix-A-Lot's smash hit "My Hooptie".
https://youtu.be/UIPr4UyiZGE?si=WzsBNStvUKgaNxtO"
The term "hooptie" dates back to at least the late 60's. If it derives from the term "hoopie", it could go back over 100 years. Mix didn't invent the term, but he did help popularize it. To previous generations, it would be a jalopy, but that term has since fallen out of favor.
I saw this and thought it looked like a $40 set that Lego would charge $50 for.
...but 90?! WOAH!
I'm sure everyone has heard how studios have cancelled some completed films and shows (especially Warner Bros.) for tax breaks. I'm wondering if there's some kind of weird tax break that Lego gets if they make a set that sells poorly...because that's the only reason I could ever think of where they'd think that charging $90 for this was remotely within the realm of reason!
I feel bad for the designer who made this nice looking set that very few people will ever get to enjoy.
For perspective, the 2023 Quinjet set (which Mark Stafford also designed) retails for just $10 more than this set....
I'm just gonna ask the guy at the store not to tell me the AU price. He types something into the terminal, I tap my card, and go about my day.
This does seem like an interesting set, but in Canada, this price becomes even more absurd, because the PPP ratio works out to 28.6c/piece, whereas the 76248 Quinjet which StorzN mentioned above works out to 16.4c/piece.
I do agree that PPP is not the only metric to be used in all situations, but it is a factor at times. I'd be interested to see what the weight of 76232 is.
@PurpleDave said:
" @VBaskin said:
"The Hoopty Was named after MC DJ Sir-Mix-A-Lot's smash hit "My Hooptie".
https://youtu.be/UIPr4UyiZGE?si=WzsBNStvUKgaNxtO "
The term "hooptie" dates back to at least the late 60's. If it derives from the term "hoopie", it could go back over 100 years. Mix didn't invent the term, but he did help popularize it. To previous generations, it would be a jalopy, but that term has since fallen out of favor."
Yeah, just like Mr. Sandler came up with 'piece-of-shit-car'.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fw0OvKFKhw
I just can't help but think this is some big joke by Lego. They're trolling all of us. I would like to get this at about $30. That would be a good price for this piece of...
@StyleCounselor:
Oh, that's the perfect theme song for Concours d'Lemons. I've seen someone set fire extinguishers out at both ends of their Ford Pinto wagon, a 4-door Corvette (made by welding the cabins of two Corvettes together), and there was a guy who did the road rally one year and had his fuel pump fail on him. He ended up cobbling something together that involved running a replacement fuel line down the side of the car and over the driver door frame. Fortunately, if anything went wrong at the show, there was a guy with two fire extinguishers parked next to his Pinto.
the price tag is especially unbelievable with how lazy these minifigures are
they really could not have updated the outfits and made new trans-blue or trans-purple energy effect pieces for the extra half-hundred dollars, eh?
@PurpleDave said:
" @StyleCounselor:
Oh, that's the perfect theme song for Concours d'Lemons. I've seen someone set fire extinguishers out at both ends of their Ford Pinto wagon, a 4-door Corvette (made by welding the cabins of two Corvettes together), and there was a guy who did the road rally one year and had his fuel pump fail on him. He ended up cobbling something together that involved running a replacement fuel line down the side of the car and over the driver door frame. Fortunately, if anything went wrong at the show, there was a guy with two fire extinguishers parked next to his Pinto."
Seriously, your MI old car stories are fantastic!!
You sass that Hoopty? There's a frood that really knows where its towel is.
@PurpleDave said:
" @VBaskin said:
"The Hoopty Was named after MC DJ Sir-Mix-A-Lot's smash hit "My Hooptie".
https://youtu.be/UIPr4UyiZGE?si=WzsBNStvUKgaNxtO"
The term "hooptie" dates back to at least the late 60's. If it derives from the term "hoopie", it could go back over 100 years. Mix didn't invent the term, but he did help popularize it. To previous generations, it would be a jalopy, but that term has since fallen out of favor."
Look every MCU vehicle has a name after every pop culture stuff that we all grew up, and Hoopty is no exception.
@StyleCounselor In the words of the 1st Captain America; "Language".
@VBaskin said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @VBaskin said:
"The Hoopty Was named after MC DJ Sir-Mix-A-Lot's smash hit "My Hooptie".
https://youtu.be/UIPr4UyiZGE?si=WzsBNStvUKgaNxtO "
The term "hooptie" dates back to at least the late 60's. If it derives from the term "hoopie", it could go back over 100 years. Mix didn't invent the term, but he did help popularize it. To previous generations, it would be a jalopy, but that term has since fallen out of favor."
Look every MCU vehicle has a name after every pop culture stuff that we all grew up, and Hoopty is no exception."
No. Every one of Star-Lord's vehicles has a pop-culture name, because Peter Quill is a pop-culture geek, or rather, a kidnapped little boy who clings to the few things he can remember from his life on Earth. So that's his thing, not anyone else's.
The Quinjets weren't named after Joan Jett; they were named after their five engines. The Helicarrier wasn't named after famed Olympian athlete, James S. Helicarrier (because most people don't think James ever existed (probably because I just made him up)).
Sometimes a banged-up spaceship is just a banged-up spaceship.
Hoovie would have an interest in this, because it's a Hoopty. Don't buy this, Hoovie, it's STUPIDly overpriced!
What makes the whole price situation even worse is that this is an EARLY set.
Counting the time TLG needed to design, produce and package the set and the fact that the film won't be out till November, the design is likely from an early stage. Looking at the trailer, there are some significant changes, and there is a lot of detail missing from the LEGO design.
So, for this absurd price you get a model that doesn't even look as close as the actual ship as it could. I mean, the bottom and rear just look unfinished.
There is a good change there will be a better designed Hoopty later on.
@MeisterDad said:
"I wonder if one of the actresses demanded a personal piece of the sales of these sets."
Yes, I'm sure it's the actresses demanding more money that led to this ridiculous price, and not the mega-corps that will be taking home most of the profits. /s
@Ridgeheart:
To be fair, Other Captain Marvel did grow up on Earth, and is probably familiar with the term.
@Trigger_ said:
"Ah yes, Hoopty, a name not unlike “Hoopta-Oopta,” an emphasized fictional location in my brother’s weird try at recreating “LEGO Plane Go Boom,” known as “LEGO Plane Go Crash.” The morbid 9/11-adjacent concept is bad enough, but I can’t help but wonder if “Hoopta-Oopta” had some sort of appropriative intent in its naming, perhaps taking from “Chirac Gupta” of Diary of a Wimpy Kid. In any case, the plane goes crash, the LEGO Indiana Jones Peril in Peru build that my parents spent blood, sweat, and tears trying to find all of the pieces for and rebuild for him with unknown intent. My heart sank too, this being one of my favorite LEGO Indiana Jones sets and one that I never remembered being assembled up to this point. All for a shoddy, unfunny “video” where the plane is thrown offscreen and crashes into a barely-discernible pile that was promptly swept into many Ziploc bags, at least some of which we have since lost.
I’d blame you and your 3K subscribers, Zwoobee, for your outdated caricature “Doofy” and his influence on my brother’s destructiveness. But, he’s the real bad guy here. I learned this as he physically shoved me so that I’d completely destroy the yellow Creator propeller plane I was using to make a spin-off of a better title “LEGO Plane Go Bang” after I spent much time mastering the art of dropping the plane lightly enough that it’d satisfyingly lose a couple of pieces and sections without destroying the whole build, as, y’know, a plane crash actually goes. This build was dropped in the grass and I will likely never have all of the pieces to rebuild it again, which, of course, led me to try destroying an overpriced Playmobil plane to continue the series smashing it repeatedly into the floor, before my parents stopped me and this entire scourge upon our household.
That is what “Hoopty” means to me. That’s it’s worst quality. Not the excessive price, not the tiny build, not the lack of leg printing on 2/3 Minifigures in this $90 set. Truly the LEGO PLANE GO CRASH ! ! ! episode 1 Attack of the grizzly bear moment of all time."
*subscribed*
@peterlmorris
@VBaskin
@PurpleDave
@Ridgeheart
@Andrusi
@StyleCounselor
@Trigger_
RE: The origins of "Hoopty".
You're all wrong, Hoopty is another name for Codpiece, which is what this ship resembles. Specifically, MCU Iron Man's Mk1 Codpiece.
@PDelahanty said:
"I feel bad for the designer who made this nice looking set that very few people will ever get to enjoy."
Codpiece aside, I echo your thoughts for the designer. BUT, is it right that TLG names the price first, then the designer chooses costed parts and makes the set to that price? I hear that a lot.
Reminds me how they priced another Marvel set, 76216 Iron Man Armory last year.
That set had 8 figs, 5 exclusive/new and about 70 more pieces too than this set.
Retailed the same, $90usd.
Now you see you can pick it up, if you look around for like $60 bucks and as low as $50.
I paid $59 from Amazon earlier this year.
So maybe this will be the same. Wait a year or so and get it at the retail price it should've been.
But still, only 3 figs (2 exclusive?), nice ship though, nice unique design. Maybe the large pieces pushed it up a bit; canopy, large curve pieces on the sides and back? Large 'ufo' round pieces on the back you rarely see anymore?
Or just used as part of their write offs for the year.
@ComfySofa:
Doing price first is a way they can ensure that there’s a good range of price points. If they didn’t, everything would tend to skew larger and larger, as designers kept trying to add more stuff. Retailers don’t want a construction toy line where everything costs $100+, so they (or at least Walmart) may have some say in what those price points are.
@ComfySofa said:
" @peterlmorris
@VBaskin
@PurpleDave
@Ridgeheart
@Andrusi
@StyleCounselor
@Trigger_
RE: The origins of "Hoopty".
You're all wrong, Hoopty is another name for Codpiece, which is what this ship resembles. Specifically, MCU Iron Man's Mk1 Codpiece."
Boy! That's a Murderer's Row.
@VBaskin said:
"The Hoopty Was named after MC DJ Sir-Mix-A-Lot's smash hit "My Hooptie".
https://youtu.be/UIPr4UyiZGE?si=WzsBNStvUKgaNxtO "
Man, that song makes me want to go to Seattle! Especially in a time machine: early Grunge, flannel shirts, and X-man playing for the Sonics.
I'll stick with 70828: Pop-Up Party Bus , or a MOC using those parts.
With no leg print on Photon it looks like she’s wearing pajamas. Bad decision to not give her leg prints.
And it almost feels like if they make the all-women superhero set super pricey so nobody will buy it and they can say that all women sets won’t sell good. Hashtag conspiracy theories :-)
@TeriXeri said:
"I'll stick with 70828: Pop-Up Party Bus , or a MOC using those parts."
Good call! Amazing, and hugely under-rated, set.
@ComfySofa:
Wait, when did Ironman dress up like a horse?
@Ridgeheart said:
" @CapnRex101 : Kamala is/was also available in 10784, a 2022-set, still in stock as we speak.
I want to like this set. It's a nice spaceship. Captain Marvel was great (until around Civil War II, when the writers basically made her Super-Fascist in Tony's stead); Photon was great until she became stuck with Machine Man and other Z-list losers (after which she became pretty awesome). Kamala is always an absolute delight, and the only good thing that came out of that whole "let's make the Inhumans the new mutants, yayyy!"-fiasco from a few years back.
But come on. I can't justify this price-tag. No one can do that, unless their superpower is bending at the knees. Fellow nerds, you've got a few more months to pick up Ms. Marvel from the 4+ range, don't pretend you're not tempted!
I probably could have phrased that better."
I have to say that I actually didn’t mind Monica on Nextwave haha but I might be in the minority here - and absolutely loved her in Mighty Avengers. Captain Marvel’s back in my eyes, way better in the current ongoing although it is early although is it bad to say that I’ve always prefered her Ms. Marvel persona around Civil War I and the early 2000s? And agreed on Kamala. Great anywhere you put her and her show is one of my favs that they put out.
@legocity2713 said:
" @Ridgeheart said:
" @CapnRex101 : Kamala is/was also available in 10784, a 2022-set, still in stock as we speak.
I want to like this set. It's a nice spaceship. Captain Marvel was great (until around Civil War II, when the writers basically made her Super-Fascist in Tony's stead); Photon was great until she became stuck with Machine Man and other Z-list losers (after which she became pretty awesome). Kamala is always an absolute delight, and the only good thing that came out of that whole "let's make the Inhumans the new mutants, yayyy!"-fiasco from a few years back.
But come on. I can't justify this price-tag. No one can do that, unless their superpower is bending at the knees. Fellow nerds, you've got a few more months to pick up Ms. Marvel from the 4+ range, don't pretend you're not tempted!
I probably could have phrased that better."
I have to say that I actually didn’t mind Monica on Nextwave haha but I might be in the minority here - and absolutely loved her in Mighty Avengers. Captain Marvel’s back in my eyes, way better in the current ongoing although it is early although is it bad to say that I’ve always prefered her Ms. Marvel persona around Civil War I and the early 2000s? And agreed on Kamala. Great anywhere you put her and her show is one of my favs that they put out."
CWII seemed like character-assassination. I think Danvers really deserved better than to be the new "good guy turns fascist so we can pit hero-faction against hero-faction". She's been around for nearly 60 years, she's got layers. Besides - without Danvers, we never would have gotten Rogue or Mystique! But you're right though, the "Let's Blame Carol"-parade seems to have moved on, and we're all the better for it.
I love Photon and Nextwave, don't get me wrong. I also kind of think Machine Man deserved better, but he he owned being a loser so much that I couldn't help but love it. Cranky Cop Monica is Best Monica.
@Ridgeheart:
55.5 feels like it’s stretching the definition of “nearly”.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Ridgeheart:
55.5 feels like it’s stretching the definition of “nearly”."
She doesn't look a day over 27, but then, that's comics for you.
At least Mars Mission fans get a new orange windscreen.
The insane price makes me wonder if Lego is testing the waters for even further price increases. I'm guessing they want to squeeze the consumers to see how much it takes for sales to reduce. Hopefully this set absolutely fails and ends up on clearance within a couple months.
This ship looks really cool. I don't really care for Marvel though ever since Disney picked up the franchise and Stan Lee passed away. The story writing has gotten progressively worse and special effects can't make up for that. Disney is suffering. The MCU is suffering.
My guess they are trying to recoup a little bit by assessing higher franchise fees on Lego and/or inflation is finally hitting them just like it's hitting everyone else.
It's really sad when cool builds suffer.
The insane price of this makes me believe the rumors and reports that licensors have managed to beat Disney into a buyback clause after the disastrous year of flop movies and poor merchandise sales. Supposedly Disney will buy any unsold first production run toys from the manufacturers/retailers. Up to the contracted minimum production numbers. So if Disney demands 10,000 pieces get made, but only 6,000 sell, Disney now buys the remainder. The Hoopty’s been sent out to die with the knowledge that any remnants will be haunting MouseGear in Orlando for years.
yikes…this price
The price is genuinely absurd, it's inconceivable that this is $160 (!) in Australia for a 400 pieces set this small, and a new low even accounting for the inflation.
@ComfySofa said:
" @peterlmorris
@VBaskin
@PurpleDave
@Ridgeheart
@Andrusi
@StyleCounselor
@Trigger_
RE: The origins of "Hoopty".
You're all wrong, Hoopty is another name for Codpiece, which is what this ship resembles. Specifically, MCU Iron Man's Mk1 Codpiece.
@PDelahanty said:
"I feel bad for the designer who made this nice looking set that very few people will ever get to enjoy."
Codpiece aside, I echo your thoughts for the designer. BUT, is it right that TLG names the price first, then the designer chooses costed parts and makes the set to that price? I hear that a lot."
Uh don't you mean the Flamethrower armor?!
There is nothing appealing to me about this model. It looks so bland and the price is ridiculous.
I compare this to 76040: Brainiac Attack, which had 4 unique mini-figures and a colorful robot (only 179 pieces) and sold for $25.