Review: 10305 Lion Knights' Castle
Posted by CapnRex101,
LEGO Castle was launched alongside Space and Town during 1978, completing the famed group of classic themes. The range contains numerous memorable sets, including 375 Castle and 6080 King's Castle, among countless other influential and impressive examples.
Castle was accordingly selected to celebrate the ninetieth anniversary of LEGO and 10305 Lion Knights' Castle looks absolutely marvellous in official images. Beyond paying tribute to some memorable factions, this incredible structure achieves remarkable authenticity and functionality, notably improving upon previous castles.
Summary
10305 Lion Knights' Castle, 4,514 pieces.
£344.99 / $399.99 / €399.99 | 7.6p/8.9c/8.9c per piece.
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10305 Lion Knights' Castle represents the new pinnacle of the Castle theme!
- Exceptional for play and display
- Myriad realistic features
- Enjoyable functions
- Clever references
- Generous minifigure selection
- Costly, although not overpriced
The set was provided for review by LEGO. All opinions expressed are those of the author.
Box and Contents
10305 Lion Knights' Castle dispenses with the normal dark 18+ packaging, instead recreating the classic Castle boxes. The vibrant design looks outstanding and includes the yellow stripe associated with 'LEGOLAND' sets during the 1980s, which also returned for 21322 Pirates of Barracuda Bay. Additionally, the model was photographed on cardboard backdrops, recreating the packaging for 6080 King's Castle, among others.
Similar designs decorate both instruction manuals and they are packaged alongside 35 bags, numbered between one and 26, while another bag contains some larger pieces. Thankfully, no stickers are necessary.
The first manual provides some commentary from the set designers, Milan Madge and Mike Psiaki, along with the graphic designer, Ashwin Visser. Information about the long history of LEGO Castle is also included, tracking how the theme has developed from 375 Castle and acknowledging various memorable factions and subthemes, before culminating with NEXO Knights.
Minifigures
An impressive selection of 21 minifigures is included, starting with the Queen. This character is elaborately dressed, wearing an ornate helmet with a golden visor and a decorative plume. Her silver breastplate looks good, although I would rather this whole helmet was pearl gold because the current mixture seems peculiar.
However, I absolutely love the Queen's fabric cape, proudly displaying the Lion Knights' famed rampant lion symbol. The decoration along the border is equally appealing and I like how these designs are visible through the fabric, so the internal surface looks excellent as well, particularly with similar details across the legs.
The double-sided head displays two smiling expressions and an alternative hair component is provided, originating from 7079 Drawbridge Defence. Also, removing the breastplate reveals a unique torso underneath, with metallic gold designs distinguishing the Queen from her soldiers. Her attractive sword and shield are distinctive too, appropriately.
Nine colourful Lion Knights accompany the Queen, featuring different heads and equipment. One knight wears a helmet with an adjustable visor and is seemingly the Queen's personal bodyguard, as they are nearly always shown together in official images and the instruction manuals. The heavy breastplate certainly suggests an important role, although several such armour pieces are included.
Five of these knights are female, which is perhaps surprising given the relative rarity of female soldiers during the mediaeval period. Nevertheless, the varied designs are welcome and most minifigures feature double-sided heads, which are always useful. Additionally, several of these heads are fairly uncommon, returning from single Collectable Minifigures.
These minifigures carry an axe and a sword, alongside different shields. The yellow and blue versions both originate from classic Castle and look lovely, so I am pleased that three of each design are supplied. However, I dislike the rounded sword, which appears comically unrealistic when compared against the Queen's detailed weapon.
Three further minifigures wear nasal helmets, which seems fitting because these pieces were introduced with the original Lion Knights. The red and blue colour scheme of their attire is also very familiar, although strikes an effective balance between fidelity to the earlier minifigures and modern design sensibilities. Retaining the classic primary colours was paramount.
However, the printing on the knights' legs is noticeably darker than their torsos. This variation does not spoil the minifigures because the different colours are separated by a reddish brown belt, but such inconsistencies must be avoided. The metallic silver chain mail is perfect though, adorning the torso and legs and accordingly complementing the reflective helmets.
Both female knights are equipped with bows and quivers, while the male minifigure carries a buisine, more commonly known as a herald's trumpet. The decorative flag looks great and an ideal head was chosen for the herald. The second archer's winking expression works perfectly too, as though preparing her shot.
The remaining knights lack accessories to identify specific roles, although numerous weapons and other items are available inside the castle. The metallic silver kettle helmets look splendid, as always, while the final Lion Knight features a dark tan hair component. I think this character appears younger than his comrades, so includes a frightened face.
Fortunately, the other minifigures seem very confident and I am particularly delighted with the bearded knight's laughing expression. Despite these soldiers all sharing the same torso, their differing helmets, armour and other equipment provide ample options to differentiate between these nine generic Lion Knights.
The magical Majisto is probably the most memorable Castle minifigure, so his return seemed nearly inevitable. However, I am surprised by the nature of his appearance, lacking decoration on his hat or robe. Such plain elements are extremely rare among modern minifigures, but lend an interesting timeless quality to this character.
Majisto's beard has been updated though and the head underneath includes printed facial hair too. The accompanying female minifigure wears a wimple, making clever use of the headdress developed for the Egyptian Warrior Collectable Minifigure. Her double-sided head looks nice as well, displaying different smiles and grey eyebrows.
I like this minifigure's simple dark green dress too, which could suit numerous roles within the castle. Such versatility could prove helpful, given the selection of rooms included! Rather than his classic wand, Majisto now features a wooden staff, topped with a curious trans-bright green gemstone.
Three additional peasants are also provided, each incorporating components from the recent Troubadour Collectable Minifigure! The child features the same torso and therefore decorated arms, with magenta stripes, while the adults include a blue Forestmen hat and the Troubadour's bearded head.
While more unique elements would have been brilliant, the returning designs are well-chosen. Nevertheless, the central minifigure in the above and below images does include a new torso, with blue arms complementing his hat. The other characters' dark brown hair components are also appealing, both appearing in relatively few other sets.
Forestmen is among the most popular Castle subthemes and three such minifigures join the Lion Knights, now dubbed the Forest Guardians. Their green and red clothing is shared with the minifigures from 40567 Forest Hideout and features great detail, although some alternative accent colours would have been interesting. After all, the original Forestmen minifigures sometimes wore green and blue garb.
The male outlaw includes a superb moustachioed head and both adults feature their traditional hats, with matching plumes. The child does not include a hat, but her braided hair seems appropriate for the mediaeval setting. I was surprised that her head only includes one expression though.
Naturally, the older minifigures are equipped with bows and quivers, as well as a printed lute. This accessory was also introduced with the aforementioned Troubadour and captures lovely detail, while the girl includes a carved wooden minifigure! This trophy element has never been available in dark brown before and its colour is absolutely perfect, closely resembling the dark wood of the trees where the Forest Guardians reside.
The classic Black Falcons are another familiar faction, contemporary with the Lion Knights and the Forestmen during the 1980s. Three representatives of the Black Falcons are provided and the instruction manual suggests they are approaching as allies of the Lion Knights, hence their friendly faces. In fact, I wonder whether the character wearing a plume on his helmet is seeking an advantageous marriage with the Queen.
Like the other knights, these minifigures share identical torsos, presenting their recognisable emblem and improving upon the original minifigures. The addition of metallic silver chain mail and pearl dark grey elements is certainly effective, but I am glad their distinctive black colour of their helmets remains unchanged.
These minifigures carry a selection of accessories, including two different swords and a Black Falcons shield. Their blue and flame yellowish orange banners look good, but most exciting is definitely the porter's enormous backpack! Everything the knights will require for their stay has seemingly been packed on one minifigure's back, so his alternative expression is perfect.
The Completed Model
Several animals accompany the minifigures, including an ox and connected cart. Similar items have appeared in numerous Castle sets and the blue colour scheme makes reference to 1877 Crusader's Cart, although the sides of this example are constructed using blue flags. 1x2 grille tiles and 1x2 profile bricks represent straw piled inside, while another stack forms steps for any minifigures to climb into the cart.
The same ox was recently introduced in 60346 Barn & Farm Animals, where the adorable lamb also originates. Additionally, a white bird resides inside the cart. The remaining accessories are placed somewhere inside the castle, except for this firkin, which is securely placed on its stand. The texture across the front of the wooden stand looks nice.
Two horses are also included, one returning from 21325 Medieval Blacksmith, while the dark orange horse appears in 60327 Horse Transporter. These colours are attractive and both animals are decorated with realistic bridles. Additionally, the horses sport ornate caparisons, displaying the Lion Knights' and Black Falcons' crests. I like the metallic details along the edges and clips are available for storage. The set contains 1x2 bricks to replace the caparisons too.
Of course, the Lion Knights' spectacular castle is the focus of attention and deservedly so. The building takes loose inspiration from 6080 King's Castle, but abandons the usual quadrilateral shape in favour of something irregular and more realistic. In addition, the integration between the castle and its environment looks tremendous, recalling the many LEGO castles positioned on raised baseplates.
While the front is probably the most complimentary viewing angle, the reverse appears equally detailed. The balance between grey stone and contrasting colours is perfect, although I dislike the narrow gap visible from behind the castle because the recessed window seems unrealistic. Even so, the unusual layout is definitely worthwhile and I appreciate the consistent intricacy on every side.
The castle is constructed in two halves, which can be easily separated. They are connected using clips and the distinct division between the imposing gatehouse and the lower adjoining walls is interesting, as these sections could belong to completely separate castles! In fact, the gatehouse could be displayed alone, particularly following minor modification.
Alternatively, the castle can be displayed in a wider configuration because the structure opens for interior access. While the enclosed design measures 44cm wide, the castle reaches nearly 70cm across when opened, presenting a stunning façade. Either arrangement looks wonderful and options are always welcome, so the model suits different spaces on display.
The distinction between the two halves becomes even more conspicuous when viewing their interiors, as the gatehouse appears quite sparse beside the colourful neighbouring chambers. Such comfortable access is excellent for play and there is generous space for the 21 included minifigures, along with many more!
Characters can enter the castle in three locations, the most important being the ramp outside the gatehouse. This stone structure reflects the angles of the actual castle and includes some brickwork texture, although the ramp seems rather steep. Admittedly, that is sometimes true of real castles, but I would have preferred a reduced gradient and the ridges were avoidable too.
However, I love how the ramp follows the rocks underneath the castle, rather than stretching outwards and occupying a larger space. Also, the blending of natural rocks with carved stone looks good, with the addition of some plants, while the gap between the ramp and entrance to the castle appears proportional with the size of this castle.
The whole ramp can be quickly disconnected, showing the rocks more clearly. Some appear unnaturally smooth to accommodate the ramp, although they are predominantly hidden when the ramp is attached. More important are the intriguing cave entrances. A few scattered stones and a green frog are visible from outside, but following the tunnel reveals further discoveries.
Fortunately, dividing the castle provides reasonable access to the cave, showing the continued rocky texture within. Two bats are found inside, hanging near a window so minifigures can peer into the dungeons from outside. That seems very useful for planning escapes, which may prove necessary for the residents of the cave.
Following the tunnel to its end reveals the Forest Guardians' hideaway, situated directly beneath the castle! Several candles are placed inside, with a printed map, two chairs, a bow and an archery target that matches the decorated target from 40567 Forest Hideout. Climbing the ladder from this cave leads into the castle courtyard, through a secret hatch.
The Forest Guardians' presence is hardly surprising because a large tree grows outside the castle, featuring the black bark associated with this renowned faction. The shape of these branches matches those in 40567 Forest Hideout and I like the combination of green and bright green leaves, again reflecting the hideout. The flame yellowish orange beehive looks superb as well.
Another hidden chamber is located behind a rock face at the foot of the tree, containing some extra weapons and a printed Forest Guardians shield. The swinging entrance is reminiscent of 6066 Camouflaged Outpost and appears nearly seamless when closed, sliding perfectly behind the tree. I do wonder how such a large tree grew on this barren terrain though.
The gatehouse measures 30cm in height and appears fittingly intimidating. The predominant light bluish grey stone, with contrasting darker accents, looks excellent and textured masonry bricks are distributed across the walls, to brilliant effect. In addition, I like the angular design of the projecting towers, corresponding with others around the fortress.
Drawbridges are a requisite feature of LEGO castles and many are relatively similar, including articulated lifting arms, or string linked to a winch. This example instead makes clever use of a simple counterweight system, so can be raised and lowered more quickly than its predecessors by rotating a textured 2x2 round brick on the exterior of the gatehouse.
The chains are accordingly recessed beneath the archway and this function works beautifully, vastly improving upon past LEGO drawbridges. Smooth 6x6 tiles form an impressive wooden surface and I like the dark brown plates underneath, forming realistic beams which are clearly visible when the drawbridge is raised.
Portcullises are another requisite feature of castles and 10305 Lion Knights' Castle pleases in that regard too. This brick-built structure seems very strong and slides neatly along its runners inside the gatehouse. The significant depth of the archway also conveys that sense of strength and impenetrability, which has sometimes been lacking from other LEGO castles.
Arrow slits punctuate the towers and look fantastic. Their narrow shape is authentic and I love the dark bluish grey border around each aperture, complementing other dark grey accents on the exterior. The decorative shields are integrated nicely, under an elegant window. This black lattice stands out against the surrounding stone, but appears small enough to remain relatively safe from attack.
A row of 1x1 tiles with curved edges also adorns the walls, appearing for the first time in dark bluish grey and seeming to brace the projecting battlements. Their shape matches the curved surface atop each merlon, which further distinguishes this castle from its many precursors. The portcullis is controlled from here and lifting the black lever shown below allows the portcullis to drop suddenly inside.
The walls behind the gatehouse appear equally invulnerable, including additional arrow loops and functional machicolations, as 1x1 round bricks can be dropped through holes beneath the parapet. These are an enjoyable addition to this model, especially because numerous previous LEGO castles have featured simulated machicolations.
Minifigures can only access the rear entrance by water and a tiny jetty is accordingly included, although without a boat. The angled steps leading from the jetty are impressive and I love the secondary portcullis, which is again controlled by rotating a 2x2 textured round brick found on the exterior wall.
Dark orange and medium nougat 1x1 slopes comprise a tiled roof over another ornate window, although the accessory racks visible inside are more eye-catching. While completely enclosing other sections of the castle has proven successful, leaving these weapons exposed is certainly excusable because that leaves more vacant floor space for minifigures atop the ramparts.
The lower floors are easily accessible after opening the castle, revealing multiple capacious rooms inside. They are surprisingly empty, but provide generous room for minifigures, which seems useful because minifigures would doubtless be needed to gather in these areas when preparing to protect the fortress or welcome important guests.
Naturally, underground dungeons occupy the lowest level of the castle and include two prison cells. One contains a skeleton, visible through the window from the Forest Guardian's cave network, while the other is substantially larger and can accommodate two minifigures, although standing them inside is quite challenging.
However, prisoners can escape through another secret door, which slides aside after opening the Guardians' weapons cache. While intended primarily for adults and therefore display, the number and quality of functions is remarkable and I think this model would be fantastic for play as well. Alas, the price will inevitably limit such opportunities.
Counterweight drawbridges, like the example present in this castle, sometimes deposited their occupants into a pit when raised. That occasional feature is faithfully recreated here, dropping unfortunate minifigures into the dungeons! The function works fairly reliably, although invaders can become entangled with the portcullis when wielding larger weapons.
A ladder on the opposite wall provides more comfortable access, but I can envisage problems when bringing prisoners down this ladder. A narrow staircase might have been preferable, but would also require significantly more space. The current arrangement instead leaves room for the Queen's treasure hoard, cruelly positioned directly opposite the prison!
The treasure chest contains three decorated coins, introduced with the Troubadour Collectable Minifigure, alongside some trans-orange elements. These represent amber and the instruction manual suggests a connection with the Black Knights faction. The treasure chamber houses a dark blue drum too, with drumsticks placed in the nearby barrel.
Weapons, helmets and shields are displayed on a wooden rack on the next floor, beneath red and yellow banners. The flags are cleverly connected sideways using brackets and provide an excellent splash of colour to the otherwise dark interior. The stairway down to the rear entrance appears particularly dark, but there is a flaming torch to light the path for minifigures.
Several empty clips are available around the walls, ready to hold accessories or extra torches. Additionally, the gatehouse features a stable for the Queen's horse, making efficient use of the restrictive space beside the entrance. Unfortunately, the studded surface has not been adapted for the horse, so I would suggest adding a couple of jumper plates.
Another ladder is secured on the other side, leading to the armoury. Numerous accessories are available to equip the knights, including swords, a mace, a bow, a crossbow and two crossbow bolts. Printed shields are also mounted on the wall, featuring the Crusaders' crossed axes sigil alongside a red and white design that originates from 677 Knight's Procession.
The accessory racks can be easily removed or rearranged, offering a clear view of the raised portcullis. The portcullis and chains connected to the drawbridge necessitate gaps in the floor, although those gaps are surprisingly small and well-hidden. In fact, both mechanisms are very neat and closely resemble those in actual castles.
Dark tan plates represent most wooden floors throughout the castle, although reddish brown has been selected for the garderobe. This mediaeval toilet was an interesting surprise during construction because it does not appear in official images. A white 1x1 round brick represents toilet roll inside, with the plant presumably forming a natural air freshener.
Of course, castles historically lacked advanced plumbing, instead sluicing waste into the moat. An aperture is therefore authentically placed beneath the toilet, explaining the dubious reddish brown frog found at the base of the wall! Thankfully, the dark green trees avoid such nastiness, appearing for the first time in this versatile colour.
Colourful plants continue around the least fortified section of the castle, including vines and a series of dark red and white flowers on the window sills. These vibrant details greatly improve the exterior, particularly in combination with the traditional wattle and daub structure, which fits beautifully among the stone walls.
The small window on the ground floor is another attractive feature, alongside the water wheel. Similar water wheels have appeared in several sets, notably including the magnificent 10193 Medieval Market Village, but this rendition is bigger and more elaborate. 1x2 bricks with axle holes form the buckets and I like the trans-clear 1x1 slopes, which represent foam under this water wheel.
I love the outwardly complex configuration of guard towers on this section of the fortress, also including a decorative balcony above the water wheel. Strangely, the balcony lacks crenelated walls, although opening the castle reveals good reason for this small inconsistency. Additionally, the rounded battlement shape does continue.
The curtain wall looks comparatively bland, featuring only occasional arrow slits and very few vines. However, no further detail was necessary, in my opinion. The inclusion of 1x2 masonry bricks is effective and real castle walls were often maintained to avoid excessive plant growth, since their roots could easily destabilise stone structures. Moreover, the clever angles of each wall section and bastion are appealing.
Medium nougat and dark tan elements comprise a distinctive thatched roof on the wattle and daub building, suggesting an authentic blend of fresh and older straw. The texture looks good and I like the combination of black plates and tiles with white bricks across the walls, depicting wooden beams between. The decorated panels found in some classic castles, including 6074 Black Falcon's Fortress, are no longer needed.
A beautiful archway joins the gatehouse and the bailey, with a vine stretching around the arch. While simple, the projecting 4x4 curved tiles and 1x4 bows look wonderful and both shades of grey are cleverly combined. Careful use of wedge plates on the floor is also significant, closing potential gaps where the two halves of 10305 Lion Knights' Castle unite.
Even the outdoor food stall features considerable detail. The dark red and white awning looks marvellous and some interesting accessories are available to buy, including a dark green herb. This leaf has never been produced in dark green before and will doubtless become more widely available in future sets. Looking beyond the stall, steps lead to other sections of the castle.
Detaching the stall reveals a trapdoor underneath, providing another method of surreptitious access for minifigures. Also, viewing the bailey from this angle reveals a wooden staircase to reach the wall, with a platform on top. The staircase is cleverly assembled to avoid obstructing the arrow loop in the tower, so minifigures could fire arrows from two levels.
Unlike the gatehouse, this section of the castle is divided into numerous colourful rooms, with intricate furnishings. Their building experiences are therefore surprisingly different, as this half feels more reminiscent of constructing a Modular Building. The entire process is very enjoyable, avoiding repetition and involving various creative construction techniques.
Unfolding the model requires reconfiguring the aforementioned balcony and this mechanism is among my favourite features of the whole model. The parapet includes several hinges, so can transform into a flat wall by sliding into the neighbouring guard tower. When closed, the castle accordingly divulges its most prized treasure: a golden frog!
The kitchen is located on the ground floor, containing a flour mill. The circular mill stones look superb and I am impressed with the grain chute, which seems amazingly realistic. The hopper and attached chute funnel grain onto the mill stones, grinding that grain into flour. Tan elements are spread across the floor, ingeniously representing the overflowing flour.
Technic gears connect the outdoor water wheel to the mill stones, achieving amazing realism. The exposed mechanism appears very accurate and no awkward colours remain visible after completing the mill, fortunately. Appropriately, a baked baguette is stored in the next chamber, beneath a textured nest.
Various ingredients are available across the opposite side of the kitchen, including another dark green leaf and two white vegetables, which could represent parsnips or turnips. The enormous oven is also white, so stands out within the gloomy depths of the fortress. I like the contrasting dark orange tiles and the cooking utensils presented above the oven.
Flagstone steps lead outside, passing a circular water container. Once again, the designers have made remarkably efficient use of the interior space, as this container occupies an area which is difficult to access. A trans-light blue Power Blast portrays water trickling into the tank, borrowing that clever technique from 71741 NINJAGO City Gardens.
Climbing the staircase to the next floor, minifigures reach the dining hall. The fireplace seems relatively simple, but features lovely colours, while a harpsichord fills the narrow area beneath the next staircase. This musical instrument was invented during the fourteenth century, so only arrived towards the end of the Middle Ages, but suits its historic environment well.
The dining table is laid with a tablecloth and centrepiece, introducing more colour to the castle interior. Striped banners beneath the ceiling are also effective in this regard, although the most exciting features of the dining room are undoubtedly the decorated shields. They originate from the renowned 375 Castle. A fourth shield, which presented the Maltese cross, is absent on this occasion.
375 Castle also appears on the upper level, faithfully replicated in approximate minifigure-scale! The yellow walls and red drawbridge are instantly identifiable and I appreciate how the castle is presented during construction. Given the extremely restricted space, the addition of an opening door is admirable, although a small gap remains even after closing the door.
The bedroom presumably belongs to the Queen, so features red and blue furnishings, which suit the Lion Knights' ruler. A teal writing desk and striped banner introduce additional colours and the whole room appears relatively gaudy, although mediaeval artwork commonly features equally bright shades. The fireplace looks splendid as well, matching that in the dining room.
Ladders and staircases are strategically placed throughout the model, including one to access the guard tower beside the Queen's bedroom. However, the bigger bell tower is not accessible and nor are the ramparts above the gatehouse. A comprehensive network of steps and ladders would be ideal, but omitting those leaves room for internal features, such as the pearl gold bell outside the bedroom door.
Overall
10305 Lion Knights' Castle has drawn comparisons with 21322 Pirates of Barracuda Bay and undoubtedly warrants such praise. This exceptional model represents the absolute best of the Castle range, balancing creative tributes to past products with innovative design features. I am particularly delighted with the authentic architecture and functions of this castle, surpassing its predecessors in every way.
The price of £344.99, $399.99 or €399.99 cannot be overlooked. I think the incredible design and minifigure quality justify such expense, although this set evidently lacks the relative affordability of 10497 Galaxy Explorer. Nevertheless, the Lion Knights' majestic fortress is my favourite 2022 set so far and is, in my opinion, the definitive LEGO castle!
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My god what a fantastic set, day one buy for sure. Wonder if the Black Falcon with the giant backpack is a subtle Monty Python reference?
Majisto really looks out of place with no printing. Luckily I have BAM pieces to change him out. Otherwise I can't wait to pick up my copy.
Thanks for the detailed review. This set is fantastic! I really like the geometry of the build. In particular, the sliding parapet is a very clever design. I hope the set will not be sold out within a minute and then be unavailable for months on end, but I'm afraid this is wishful thinking. Without a doubt this set will be extremely popular.
Great review, I have waited for this for so long. I can’t wait to get one. The dark orange horse was in the horse transporter earlier this year.
Amazingly detailed and educational review! I even learned a couple new terms (portcullis, machicolation, jumper plate). I'll admit this is a brilliant set, but with the price increases, I'm afraid it's a drawbridge too far.
Best LEGO Castle ever! Been looking forward to this review.
Would the 375 Castle depicted here be wooden? There was no plastic back then.
Already saw a few video reviews and I must say the price is like on the edge regarding decision to buy or not to buy it. However I think I will still buy for my collection. The only sad thing is that they did not offer Lego 40567 at the time this piece will be possible to buy.
Absolutely superb set. Definitely one I shall get at some point, even though I have no nostalgia whatsoever for the castle theme.
Probably not a day 1 purchase for me though. That slot will most likely go to a bit of nostalgia from a similar era, strongly rumoured to be announced very soon!
While lovely, this prices out most people. I wish they had released a smaller castle set alongside this (maybe even modular!) to make less affluent castle fans happy too…this is supposed to be a 90-year celebration, but tons of castle fans won’t be able to celebrate. :-(
Am I right in thinking there are no stickers??
@laibros said:
"The only sad thing is that they did not offer Lego 40567 at the time this piece will be possible to buy. "
Rumour has it, they will! (Aug 2nd - 14th)
https://youtu.be/sogBO_-vAJY
@kingalbino said:
"Am I right in thinking there are no stickers??"
There are no stickers in this set or 10497 Galaxy Explorer.
A day one purchase! This set would be perfect with the old classic smiley heads, but that's an easy swap.
Although beautiful, the size and price make it a bit of a pedantic release.
Since they know castle and space fans are aplenty, a castle set similar in size as 10497 would have been more appropriate and fitting for the 90th Anniversary.
I think Lego is becoming the slang word for hyperinflation.
I seriously love it. But I'd love to buy it with some discount.. Do you think it will be avaliable outside lego shop with some discount in the future?
By golly, Capn, what a fantastic review! Took me almost an hour to read—that’s a good thing! So detailed and I love the coverage of every area. The photos were well done, too. What a gorgeous set to own. Those who will possess it are lucky and fortunate.
I still have the Kings Castle 6080 from my childhood and this new set is a huge hit of nostalgia for me.
Love the secret caves and passages!
What a spectacular set - and thank you CapnRex, for the detailed and well-photographed guide through it. I've been ogling all of the documentation since its announcement of this set in the middle of June.
While I'd like to call this a Day 1 purchase, I'd probably only put in my order if (hopefully when) they add a theme-appropriate GWP such as 40567 (which I received with my 21333 Starry Night) or (possibly and!) a Double VIP Points period. Maybe something from an antagonistic group, like the Wolf Pack, just to help build a narrative. (This castle's inclusion of the Black Falcon knights, along with a very similar party in 21325 Medieval Blacksmith, another wonderful set, sets the stage for allies, so it's not a far leap to think of an opposing force as well.)
Do we have any expectations for such a potential GWP, or even just normal-for-purchase sets in this "Castle System" theme that they put this and the Forest Hideout in?
This is fantastic! Will have to wait until coming back from holidays to get it though…
Love the set, the review only heightens my excitement, but the price - OMG!!!
Would normally be a M1D1 purchase but with the plethora of deals that seem to be swirling round some Lego retailers in the UK at the moment (discounted modulars!) I might just wait and see.
Old Headline - Investing in Lego more lucrative than gold
New Headline - Investing in Lego is more expensive than gold
I really would like to buy it, maybe with a holiday bonus. Going to have to swap out all those female heads though
Thank you for taking the time to draft this amazing review - what a great looking set!
In the end, though, my heart belongs to the Galaxy Explorer :)
Three words: I....CAN'T....WAIT!!!!
Oh man I want to get this one! I've always wanted a LEGO Castle. But could never afford one. That price though.... Might have to settle for the 31120.
I don't want to be a curmudgeon, but I'm not enjoying all the ladders. Staircases have always been the most exciting things to find in real-world castles.
I'm reading this review, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling... how big IS this set?!
What an awesome set. If only I had $400 to spare, the time to build it, and room to display it.
@Cogster said:
"What a spectacular set - and thank you CapnRex, for the detailed and well-photographed guide through it. I've been ogling all of the documentation since its announcement of this set in the middle of June.
While I'd like to call this a Day 1 purchase, I'd probably only put in my order if (hopefully when) they add a theme-appropriate GWP such as 40567 (which I received with my 21333 Starry Night) or (possibly and!) a Double VIP Points period. Maybe something from an antagonistic group, like the Wolf Pack, just to help build a narrative. (This castle's inclusion of the Black Falcon knights, along with a very similar party in 21325 Medieval Blacksmith, another wonderful set, sets the stage for allies, so it's not a far leap to think of an opposing force as well.)
Do we have any expectations for such a potential GWP, or even just normal-for-purchase sets in this "Castle System" theme that they put this and the Forest Hideout in?"
I'm also eager to see if there is a proper GWP coming - a remake of 6103 would be enough for me. It is an expensive and yet imperfect set (no pigs, only 2 horses, lousy treasure etc) so no GWP - no quick purchase.
Great review, CapnRex! What a lovely set. Can't wait to get it. I love the thought put into the expressions of all the minifigures.
@mediAFOL said:
"I don't want to be a curmudgeon, but I'm not enjoying all the ladders. Staircases have always been the most exciting things to find in real-world castles. "
I wonder if the ladders are a nod to how many of us AFOLs used to play with our original Castle sets - by taking the ladders from our fire trucks and giving our minifigs access to otherwise inaccessible floors! :)
Love everything about this set from the range of minifigs, the playful details, and the nostalgia. If there’s a GWP, it’ll be Day 1, but waiting for double VIP points is tempting, too (although I might end up waiting months if try that strategy…!).
A stunning review for a stunning set. I can't agree more with Megan and others in highlighting your thorough work, Capn. Thank you.
As far as the set goes, you said it all. It is undoubtably one of the best LEGO sets ever.
Goes well with Blacksmith, might not buy due to space constraints.
An utterly fabulous set and a great review too — thanks Cap!
I’m old enough to remember when the first Lion Knights sets appeared. I still remember the sheer excitement of the new helmet pieces and what were, back then, the revelation of moulded horses and saddles as well as the plethora of other new Castle-themed parts. Sadly, the big castles were well beyond my means in 1984 but 6021and 6010 were worthy of splurging all my saved pocket money! It makes me laugh that, of all my lego buying history, I still remember that moment so well! Such nostalgia!
Suffice it to say, following Classic Castle doing so well in the voting for the 90th Anniversary sets, I was really hoping that LEGO would pull something above and beyond out of the bag for this… and they absolutely have NOT disappointed!
The level of detail is just phenomenal and the build looks like being a lot of fun too. There are so many little nods to the heritage of this set, including the miniature toy version of the Yellow Castle and the use of all the shield designs from the original Yellow Castle set as decoration around the walls. Genius!
I have only one real complaint: given all the effort they put into designing the updated knights and forestmen minifigures, why on earth is the wizard minifigure completely blank? That’s such a bizarre choice. I realise that much of the detail would be lost under the beard but that’s never stopped them before and the skirt piece forming the lower half of the robes most certainly *is* visible. I genuinely don’t get this. It’s certainly not impossible to do some customisation using parts from the CMF wizard but honestly, at this price that really shouldn’t be necessary!
In the grand scheme of things, however, I’m loving this thing and my wife and kids are just gonna have to understand that it’s a day one purchase and the second week of August (or whenever it arrives) is building time…! The kids are mid to late teens now but they’re just as keen to pitch in with building this one.
Without a doubt, this is worth burning ALL my VIP points.
@TomKazutara said:
"Only two minor things bother me :
1 : The Wizzard got no prints at all
2 : the fire elements are not neon trans orange
But in the Lego world, this might be the best castle."
As far as I can tell, trans neon orange was retired from LEGO's color palette at the end of 2020 or early 2021, so not an option for this set.
@Cogster said:
"Do we have any expectations for such a potential GWP"
A rerun of 40567 from 2nd - 14th Aug apparently.
Totally in awe of this set!
The black falcon with the backpack just needs 2 coconut shells
I think Castle guys should be stoked. This is everything I’ve ever heard them talk about in one complete set. Sure the price is high, but the set is magnificent.
As a Spacer, I’m actually a little jealous. While I love the affordability of the Galaxy Explorer, part of me can’t help but wonder “Yeah, but what if?…”
Maybe we can get a second helping, only swap price points? Castle guys get a smaller set, and we get a grand space base?
Pretty please?
Did I mention I’ve already bought two Galaxy Explorers? And planning on more…
Thank you CapnRex for your detailed review and accompanying photos. It was a great read, and as a result of reading it, I will probably end up getting the castle after all!
@mediAFOL said:
"I don't want to be a curmudgeon, but I'm not enjoying all the ladders. Staircases have always been the most exciting things to find in real-world castles. "
There are plenty of impressive staircases in this set, make no mistake! The east wing/gatehouse does rely primarily on ladders for access to the armory and dungeons, but all the chambers in the west wing/keep are connected by staircases. I think the designers achieved a good balance there.
I am definitely looking forward to getting this set! While Castle is hardly one one my top themes usually, this delivers many of the sort of features I’ve long wanted to see in a LEGO castle, especially after growing up with David Macauley’s “Castle” book which went into such great detail about their architecture and features in real life.
It is easily the ULTIMATE castle set in my opinion, and even surpasses many castle MOCs in terms of its bounty of interior details, elaborate building techniques, and hidden features! The raised foundation in particular brings back fond memories of the castle sets I enjoyed as a kid back in the 90s, but with loads of delightful subterranean features and cellar space that would have gone to waste in sets like those that relied on specialized, pre-formed raised baseplates.
The only features it’s lacking that I’d often expect to see in a LEGO castle are catapults and a throne room (the dining room is also unfortunately too small for a really grand royal banquet, but space was clearly at a premium here). And in any case, the simple clip-and-handle connection between the two halves of the castle is an open invitation for fans to add in their own expansions such as a great hall, throne room, and maybe even a wizard’s workshop!
The price is definitely daunting, but to me, it’s a price worth paying for this masterpiece of a set, especially considering how it compares to castles at a more typical $100 price point — or even to other “premium” sets like the Modular Buildings! It does, of course, make me pretty glad that I didn’t splurge on any other huge sets this year before this beauty was announced!
Eager to add this set to my collection when it launches next month. Thanks so much for the detailed review!
I’d love to see pictures of this next to the Medieval Blacksmith for scale (although I’ve already made up my mind that I *will* be buying this castle and have been saving up since it was unveiled. Going to be a lean year after August.)
I do hope that online PAB/BNP returns to its old, up-to-date selection soon. The opportunity to acquire some of the throwback shields in bulk (the ones that only have one copy each in the set) really opens up some exciting possibilities for new factions.
@peterlmorris said:
"I think Castle guys should be stoked. This is everything I’ve ever heard them talk about in one complete set. Sure the price is high, but the set is magnificent.
As a Spacer, I’m actually a little jealous. While I love the affordability of the Galaxy Explorer, part of me can’t help but wonder “Yeah, but what if?…”
Maybe we can get a second helping, only swap price points? Castle guys get a smaller set, and we get a grand space base?
Pretty please?
Did I mention I’ve already bought two Galaxy Explorers? And planning on more…"
As awesome as an ultimate Classic Space moonbase would be, there’s a part of my that kind of wonders whether an orbital or deep-space space station would be a more exciting choice for another “premium” Classic Space set. There were space stations in some Classic Space ads/comics back in the day (e.g. https://images.brickset.com/library/ads/Ad%201985_57.jpg) but never in an actual set.
Of course, an 18+ moonbase might still be a little more appealing despite being a little more conventional, since it’d allow for not just labs, launch sites, and living quarters, but also ground vehicles (with their own garage/docking station) and brick-built lunar terrain. These are just some thoughts I’ve had floating around, especially since the Galaxy Explorer redesign was unveiled.
If we DID get a big moonbase or space station set, I hope that it’d go above and beyond the norms of the original Classic Space sets in more than just size/complexity. It’d be fun to see details those sets didn’t really touch on: stuff like places for astronauts to eat and “relieve themselves”, a reactor room to power the facility, and maybe even a laundry room for spacesuits (don’t want to get rocket fuel or alien sludge stains all over your snazzy color-coded uniforms)!
“Oh. It’s beautiful…”
Krennic quote aside, my god I so want this set but that price…maybe I can convince someone to get it for me as a Christmas/birthday present…
IMO this set completely ends my interest in Medieval Blacksmith--the scale is more appropriate and the combination of play features and display elegance is absolutely perfect. I may have to wait a while for my budget to approve of the purchase price, but it really ticks all the boxes for me!
I desperately wish it clocked in at $350. Majisto looks awful, odd to see collectable minifigs parts here, and wish the forestmen had three different colors of accents instead of all red (black and blue jump to mind). Rest of the figs are amazing!
I'd be curious to see this alongside 21322 (in "intact ship" formation) and 10497 - it would be cool to have a display of all three modern takes on classic themes, but I wonder if this might be so big it would overpower the other two?
@sirventricle said:
"My god what a fantastic set, day one buy for sure. Wonder if the Black Falcon with the giant backpack is a subtle Monty Python reference? "
That’s exactly what I thought.
@Chilis_no said:
" @MeganL said:
"Great review, CapnRex! What a lovely set. Can't wait to get it. I love the thought put into the expressions of all the minifigures."
And luckily no stupid sloths added
"
if I ever stumble across enough money/space to grab this set I'm adding in as many sloths as possible, just 4 u hun xx
Can anyone elaborate on the amber treasure reference? Seems like a deep cut
I think this is better than the 75192-1 UCS Millennium Falcon. More non-fake interior space.
Nice set. Just feel all that grey on the outside walls should of been broken up a bit.
@kalexicon said:
"I’d love to see pictures of this next to the Medieval Blacksmith for scale (although I’ve already made up my mind that I *will* be buying this castle and have been saving up since it was unveiled... "
https://us.v-cdn.net/5015319/uploads/editor/ga/j5hh7iry2prd.jpg
It's fantastic. I'm sure the designer tried to tread a fine line between a classic look, a playable toy and a modern lego set. I plan to switch all the heads for classic grins, and I'm sure it will look great next to the MMV so they've done a great job fitting into three different lego eras.
My small nitpicks are the lack of printing on the wizard/majisto seems a massive oversight, he had printing in the 90s so even a blue version of the sand green peasant would have been nice. Another forestmen shield? And perhaps a proper child prince or princess? (in place of the troubadour that we already have and the forest girl that seems a bit superflous).
Will wait and see what, if any, gwp there is to make it a day 1 purchase, otherwise I'll probably wait for a more convenient time that isn't right in the middle of a busy summer.
But hat's off to LEGO for basically making two classic themed £300+ sets for their 90th (as the galaxy explorer clevery has two alt-builds). Just need the classic town set to complete the trinity.
@Bison_Bricks said:
"While lovely, this prices out most people. I wish they had released a smaller castle set alongside this (maybe even modular!) to make less affluent castle fans happy too…"
In fairness to LEGO, there is 31120 for a fraction of the price.
Bionicle was robbed.
Man, this set is just so cool. Never expected that i really are tempted to buy castle sets now. Maybe i just have to get rid of some licensed themed stuff to get the castle and space sets.
I have literally been dreaming of this day!
well, not the day technically, but classic castle re-release!!
I've had re-occuring dreams for years that classic castle sets (sometimes classic pirates too) will be re-released or in some dreams re-designed with old design methods. I get anxiety inside my dreams as I'm trying to figure out how many I can buy and how I'm gunna take them home, so I have literally been dreaming about this!!
of course 10305 never appeared in my dreams. In some ways it is much better, in other way unnecessary (unnecessarily large and studless on top of the ramparts, etc), but I am still so excited! I've been building up my classic sets in preparation...
For some reason, this castle is perfect counterpart to some of the Lego 31120 alternate builds like this one: https://rebrickable.com/mocs/MOC-80329/mocscout/medieval-fortress-31120-medieval-castle-alternative/ . Just take the Black Falcon knight and entourage, add it to the alternate build and voila we have very satisfying Black Falcon counterpart and for 2/3 price. :D
Came for complaints about the female soldier figs, was not disappointed.
I’d suggest anyone wailing at realism look up the history of women in warfare - it’s not as cut and dry as is typically depicted in western media.
Why not also use this opportunity to get creative? Maybe this is a matriarchal faction of Lion Knights. Maybe there was a bad war that killed most of the men so the women were forced into service more. There’s possibilities for play here, but unfortunately many people just view this as cynical virtue signaling.
It’s a real bummer!
a coat of gold
a coat of red
a lion still has claws…
Can you share the total brick built weight?
Looks gorgeous, too sad it's not for kids =/
The cost is very high. Though you do get a lot for your money. No stickers is fantastic.
A great set to buy when Double Points are on offer.
I give the set a grade of 'A' because the cost will limit the ability of consumers to buy it.
I still think the exterior is too bland and most of the Lego Idea castle sets that got 10k supporters and rejected are better. This is too much of a play set for me to purchase.
Awesome castle! (If you have space for it)
The minifigures are somewhat disappointing - only one design (torso and legs) for each fraction.
For comparison, both fractions from Kingdoms (2010) had three differently printed torso designs and one printed leg design.
Of course, the volume of this castle is limited. But the price is still premium, right?
I think enough has been said about the gender of the minifigs. Please refrain from posting any more comments on the subject. Thanks
Love at first sight!! I agree, the best LEGO Castle, and I love other castles too!
People was buying more than one item of 31120, two or three to create a bigger castle. But it is better to but this one and have the biggest castle ever!!
Question about the manuals... So it seems that the more "exclusive" sets will retain the old type of booklets?
I don't mind the eco-friendly new ones in regular sets, but for these kinds of sets where you even get a bit of designer interview and extra stuff like that, it seems proper to have a more premium look.
@kalexicon said:
"I’d love to see pictures of this next to the Medieval Blacksmith for scale (although I’ve already made up my mind that I *will* be buying this castle and have been saving up since it was unveiled. Going to be a lean year after August.)
I do hope that online PAB/BNP returns to its old, up-to-date selection soon. The opportunity to acquire some of the throwback shields in bulk (the ones that only have one copy each in the set) really opens up some exciting possibilities for new factions. "
My local store had Black Falcon torsos, shields, and grey helmets in the BaM.
@guachi said:
"The cost is very high. Though you do get a lot for your money. No stickers is fantastic.
A great set to buy when Double Points are on offer.
I give the set a grade of 'A' because the cost will limit the ability of consumers to buy it."
A good GWP is a better deal than an additional $20. I hope they have something different than the Forrestmen set. I grabbed enough of those.
Thanks for the elucidating review, Cap'n!
Megan, I hope you keep up your bright, spirited writing, and don't let the slothful sloth trolls get you down! :)
I absolutely love this set. It is a must-have for all castle fans, I assume.
The most elaborate minifig scale castle set Lego has ever made.
No stickers, only prints!
What is not to love about the design. I think it is an absolutely wonderful castle.
So much eighties nostalgia.
I love the inclusion of all the various shields, even from that seventies Yellow castle set, which I never had, and only knew from photos. All the different coat of arms on the shields always intrigued me as a kid.
Good selection of helmets, printed torsos that pair up with printed legs for the Lion and Falcon knights. Sure, compared to the Kingdoms theme running from 2010 to 2013, there is not much variety, with only two different prints for the Lion knights, and just one for the Falcons. Still, they are good prints.
Don't care for the short swords with the round tip of the blade. They could have included more of the new and IMO better designs.
I know I am not the only one who will change the minifig heads, hairpieces, helmets to my own liking, but none of this should distract you from how epic this set is! Why waste energy on your possible dislike of anything that is (or is perceived as) 'woke'?! You can easily customize this to fit your own values and views.
The forest men making their comeback in the same set, and their hideout being integrated in the castle, is both humorous and clever. I had (still have it) 6066 Forest Hideout, so seeing TLG release a set that incorporates all three factions in one set is lovely!
Sure, the blue wizard as well as the knight's chest armour pieces not having printing, could have been better for such a big and costly set.
Overall the castle looks great, with all the various details in the masonry, thatched roofs etc. etc.
Thanks for this elaborate and great review @CapnRex101
All comments regarding the gender of minifigures in this set have been removed. I had hoped those wishing to address the topic could engage in reasonable discussion, but it seems not everybody can, unfortunately.
Have the designers mentioned at all why Majisto has a blank torso? That is just bizarre for a set that excels in every other facet.
This was a really well written review and a pleasure to read! Thank you for taking the time to show all the details, both with pictures and describing them!
I really like this set but I do think it's way too expensive and could have been significantly cheaper without needing to lose any of the good stuff shown here.
I would also like to know if this will be available at other stores like Myers, David Jones etc.? (those are Australian department stores)
Brickset team: kudos on this excellent review. Will wake for a deal (double VIP) but this is a must for me, since I grew up surrounded by castles and châteaus.
Hope for more Castle sets!
It's a shame I have to mention this but I really must protest against the removal of comments, unless they were particularly inappropriate. It's unfortunate that everytime there's a bit of controversy Brickset has to censor the whole discussion. I didn't see the comments, so I won't blame either users or Brickset staff, but I can't say I'm keen on the idea of removing comments if they simply raise a contrary opinion.
I was actually going to commend CapnRex for acknowledging the strange design choice of all these female knights (which is very unrealistic and in my opinion detracts from the model), but also having the opinion that female knights are okay without making baseless accusations of sexism at anyone who does raise the issue.
On a more positive note, thanks again to CapnRex for this really interesting and fun review!
Just like most anything nowadays, ya just gotta overlook all the "wokeness". Day one purchase for sure.
I am super excited for this set, as almost everything about it is exceptional, including the huge minifigure selection. However I do have some complaints about some of the minifigures, particularly their attire/prints. The inclusion of plain pearl silver breastplates is baffling to me when they could have included beautiful printed designs like every modern Castle theme since fantasy era has done (and even some CMFs). They could have also done a printed breastplate for one of the Black Falcons. The excellent torso prints mostly make up for this, but what I find even worse is the complete lack of printing on Majisto. It makes that figure stand out like a sore thumb when he could have been a highlight of the set.
My only other comment is that I would have liked to see some different shield designs for the classic heraldry. I know they originally only appeared on the small triangular shields, but I would have loved to see these heraldry on newer shields like the large triangular shield or the ovoid shield. In addition to the small triangular shields. One of my favorite things about the newer Castle themes (Fantasy Era, Kingdoms, etc.) were that the heraldry was done on different shield sizes. I always thought that was neat because I could give more important members of my armies the bigger shields while the smaller ones went to the foot soldiers.
@eggbert20 said:
"Just like most anything nowadays, ya just gotta overlook all the "wokeness". Day one purchase for sure. "
As a Castle fan who always wished there were more female characters/minifigures to make my medieval minifig population more representative of an actual population, a more equal ratio of male to female minifigures is extremely welcome, even if there weren't really female knights in medieval times. Previous Castle themes only had female minifigures that were princesses, queens, and I think we got one or two female peasants. In a typical line of Castle sets, you'd have maybe 3 female minifigures across the entire line, and 20+ males when you add up all the soldiers and knights. Girls play with these toys too. And even aside from that, to create a realistic world you'd kind of want to have a fairly even ratio of males and females. It's a toy featuring fictional factions/kingdoms that happens to be set in the medieval time period. Some of the knights are female. It's not that big of a deal, and extra female minifigure inclusion isn't really an example of "wokeness." (Also, if you think calling something "woke" is an insult, you don't really understand what "woke" means.)
EDIT: Just saw that comments about the gender of the minifigs got out of hand and were deleted. If this comment is going too far, my apologies, please delete it. I just find it frustrating that some people are getting offended by equal gender representation in a LEGO set.
To me, the price never felt bad on this item. …It’s so much classic castle and there’s no filler. It’s just the biggest and best version of exactly what so many of us have wanted. - - - Great set. Awesome review. LEGO, please make more like this.
Product Idea: LEGO could follow this up with a Lion Knights Vs (someone) themed Chess Set, so we can get a tone of characters to populate the castle.
@Fire said:
" @eggbert20 said:
"Just like most anything nowadays, ya just gotta overlook all the "wokeness". Day one purchase for sure. "
As a Castle fan who always wished there were more female characters/minifigures to make my medieval minifig population more representative of an actual population, a more equal ratio of male to female minifigures is extremely welcome, even if there weren't really female knights in medieval times. Previous Castle themes only had female minifigures that were princesses, queens, and I think we got one or two female peasants. In a typical line of Castle sets, you'd have maybe 3 female minifigures across the entire line, and 20+ males when you add up all the soldiers and knights. Girls play with these toys too. And even aside from that, to create a realistic world you'd kind of want to have a fairly even ratio of males and females. It's a toy featuring fictional factions/kingdoms that happens to be set in the medieval time period. Some of the knights are female. It's not that big of a deal, and extra female minifigure inclusion isn't really an example of "wokeness." (Also, if you think calling something "woke" is an insult, you don't really understand what "woke" means.)
EDIT: Just saw that comments about the gender of the minifigs got out of hand and were deleted. If this comment is going too far, my apologies, please delete it. I just find it frustrating that some people are getting offended by equal gender representation in a LEGO set."
You actually just said what I said, only better. Historically accurate? No. Enjoyable and available to anyone, regardless of gender? Yes!
@Brickchap said:
"It's a shame I have to mention this but I really must protest against the removal of comments, unless they were particularly inappropriate. It's unfortunate that everytime there's a bit of controversy Brickset has to censor the whole discussion. I didn't see the comments, so I won't blame either users or Brickset staff, but I can't say I'm keen on the idea of removing comments if they simply raise a contrary opinion.
I was actually going to commend CapnRex for acknowledging the strange design choice of all these female knights (which is very unrealistic and in my opinion detracts from the model), but also having the opinion that female knights are okay without making baseless accusations of sexism at anyone who does raise the issue.
On a more positive note, thanks again to CapnRex for this really interesting and fun review!"
I'm not going to reiterate the discussion that got out of hand. Suffice to say, 1) our toys need not adhere to historical (deeply problematic) standards, 2) such standards are very unlikely to adhere to any strict standard of science, but are based on a male-white-centric fantasy.
If you want Lego to revive Castle, don't make it a PR nightmare for them.
The comments for Galaxy Explorer were a nostalgic love-fest. Why can't the love of the Lego be the focus here?
@quincy said:
"Product Idea: LEGO could follow this up with a Lion Knights Vs (someone) themed Chess Set, so we can get a tone of characters to populate the castle. "
They have done that. They last being 853373. A great set. Let's hope they do another.
@Indy24LA said:
"Amazingly detailed and educational review! I even learned a couple new terms (portcullis, machicolation, jumper plate). I'll admit this is a brilliant set, but with the price increases, I'm afraid it's a drawbridge too far."
Excellent comment, my friend. A drawbridge too far for me too. I can afford it, but I doth protest! LEGO is testing the waters to see how high they can price sets but this is too high, too fast. Into the moat with you, LEGO!
@StyleCounselor said:
"If you want Lego to revive Castle, don't make it a PR nightmare for them."
Lego's decisions are causing the PR problem. If they'd just gone with all smiley faces like the Galaxy Explorer they could have avoided the whole issue and just soaked up the acclaim.
Very nice set, which I will surely get my hands on some moment or another. I always hoped Lego would one day realease a Castle set of more realistic properations and with an appropriate level of detail and this sets comes as close as is reasonably conceivable. The price tag is difficult to ascertain on fairness grounds but it is a very hefty sum for most consumers. I think it's rather a bit too much for me personally.
As for a certain divsive aspect regarding this thead, I'd just like to briefly point to Jonathan Haidt's The Righteous Mind and the Moral foundations theory before signing off.
@AHYL88 said:
"I do wonder how widely available this set will be though, like what other retailers, if any, will be selling this also."
I very much doubt that it ever be sold outside of official LEGO stores / LEGO website.
It's crack for the most addicted of AFOLS so hardly makes sense to hand over 20% (or however much the retailer margin is) to other stores / customers.
6080 was my first ever LEGO set (what a way to start!) so I love the yellow background on the box and instructions.
" @Aanchir said:
The only features it’s lacking that I’d often expect to see in a LEGO castle are catapults and a throne room (the dining room is also unfortunately too small for a really grand royal banquet, but space was clearly at a premium here). And in any case, the simple clip-and-handle connection between the two halves of the castle is an open invitation for fans to add in their own expansions such as a great hall, throne room, and maybe even a wizard’s workshop!"
Good call about the throne room! I guess you could replace the dining room with a throne (more useful anyway), you could even use the chair and add a small platform with the pieces from the table.
As far as the wizard's workshop goes, maybe he can have his place in the dungeon? I mean the forest man have their small cave at the tree, so the other cave could be Majisto's chamber?!
A catapult could be added if you merge this set with the medieval castle 31120
Does ordering this set early as VIP mean that you will also receive the set earlier? Or is it only to make sure you get a copy before it gets sold out and they ship all orders after the 8th?
@mcbbvb said:
"Does ordering this set early as VIP mean that you will also receive the set earlier? Or is it only to make sure you get a copy before it gets sold out and they ship all orders after the 8th?"
You'll get it early.
@Fire:
The almond-shaded kite shield piece was introduced with the Black Knights sets starting from 1992 and a few sets of that theme (especially 6086) had both this piece and the older smaller triangular heater shield piece with similar dragon designs (although the color palette was inverted). Historically, the smaller and more manageable heater shield actually replaced the larger kite shields as armor got better - if anything the more important (and thus better armored) knights should get the smaller shields and the foot soldiers and crossbowmen should get the larger ones!
I do wish that LEGO had included at least some classic smiley heads in this set, simply for nostalgic and aesthetic reasons (they are still my favorite minifig head).
When it comes to these 'nostalgia' sets, and maybe the modulars too, LEGO should do dual printed heads, smiley on one side and a current design on the other.
Minor thing that is easily swapped out: The skeleton's arms have the horizontal hands. Makes sense if the skelly is "at rest". But if "animated", holding weapons, shields, and utensils would be awkward, unless using a jackhammer or motorcycle.
@kdu2814 said:
"When it comes to these 'nostalgia' sets, and maybe the modulars too, LEGO should do dual printed heads, smiley on one side and a current design on the other. "
Besides the fact that that would require every head mold to be a new, distinct printed element (an issue that neither the classic smiley or modern faces alone have), that wouldn't really work for figs like the forest guardians in this set whose headgear doesn't cover the back of their head.
Really love the secret chambers,caves for the forest people.
What a great-looking build. All the little details and throwbacks. Nice spread of minifigures too. It's a good thing I'm not into the Castle theme (Pirates FTW), or this kit would be on my shopping list.
Wow.
@Huw said:
" @mcbbvb said:
"Does ordering this set early as VIP mean that you will also receive the set earlier? Or is it only to make sure you get a copy before it gets sold out and they ship all orders after the 8th?"
You'll get it early."
Thank you Huw for the response! Then I’ll be able to order it before going on holidays.
@darthnorman said:
"A catapult could be added if you merge this set with the medieval castle 31120 "
True, the "trebuchet" alternate build on that set is pretty much the closest to a classic medieval siege when it comes to official available sets right now, and the cave under the tower in that build could serve as another forest people hiding place.
Looks absolutely amazing...but where is king Lionheart? He was a big character in my youth as well. :(
"Such plain elements are extremely rare among modern minifigures, but lend an interesting timeless quality to this character."
When I read things like this I really start to doubt the objectivity of the reviewer...
I suspect Cap was just trying to be positive but for me this is the one very odd (and entirely avoidable) weakness of this set. Given the level of detail everywhere else, a completely blank torso and skirt for the wizard is such an odd choice. I would love to hear the designers’ explanation for this.
When I first saw the images if the set, I wondered if this was a pre-production prototype and the wizard minifigure had yet to be finalised. I guess it’s still possible that the early review sets are the same but I suspect this really *is* how it’s going to be. Just such a weird thing to do.
I have no objections to the multiple female heads; I’m happy either way and think there’s far too much fuss being made about them. It’s Lego for goodness sake do Pick-a-Brick or BrickLink will solve that SO easily if folks do wish to change things but I’m still hunting for optimal replacement blue torso and skirt parts for the wizard. The CMF wizard is a certainly a reasonable donor here but a matching proper skirt piece would be better. Maybe Lego will fix this in due course.
@blue_squadron There's a blue wizard right now in BaM.
@BelgianBricker said:
""Such plain elements are extremely rare among modern minifigures, but lend an interesting timeless quality to this character."
When I read things like this I really start to doubt the objectivity of the reviewer..."
LEGO obviously chose plain elements for Majisto for a reason, presumably intending to distinguish him from the other minifigures, given his history in the Castle theme. I think trying to rationalise LEGO's decision is a reasonable thing to do.
Personally, I do find the decision surprising, as mentioned in the review, but I think simply creating a modern and highly-detailed wizard minifigure would have been boring. After all, several of those are available already. If I had designed the Majisto minifigure, I would have reproduced his original torso as faithfully as possible, combined with the modern robe and beard elements.
Gosh what an all around joy this set is, I won't have the space to get this myself, but it still feels like a masterpiece, captivates and captures the imagination in a lovely way.
Seeing the way ideas can be revisited and modernised feels really cool, had the same vibe from when I learned the Ninjago City series had been inspired and adapted from ideas seen in broLUGs brickworld chicago cyberpunk display - seeing the lineage of ideas and how they branch and blossom creating a good feeling that is somewhat hard to describe.
Sometimes I wonder if the reason castles felt unappealing to me was merely that they'd always been presented so drably in history textbooks, but here there's a sense of joy and whimsy that shines through and challenges those old conceptions, maybe even nudging a sense of curiosity for what else I've been missing from looking at castle designs.
Might not build it, but strangely feel motivated to draw something inspired by it, or something like it haha. What branches shall sprout from those inspired by this set I wonder~
@sipuss said:
" @blue_squadron There's a blue wizard right now in BaM."
Thanks -- sadly no wizard on BaM in the UK. Is the one you're seeing based on the parts of the CMF wizard?
The current BaM selection here is very odd and mis-matched. Oh well...
@CapnRex101
I absolutely respect your position and I understand where you're coming from... but I profoundly disagree.
It's a completely obtuse decision given the work they have done to sympathetically update all the other minifigures.
The knights, both Lion and Black Falcon, have been very cleverly done -- they beautifully maintain the overall aesthetic of the original early '80s castle minifigures but add the subtle extra details of contemporary minifigs. The same is also true for the updated Forestmen. No reason at all why they couldn't have done this for the wizard.
A printed front to the skirt piece for the lower part of the robe would have been nice but, with a suitable design for the torso, they could probably have got away with a plain lower part.
@eggbert20 said:
" @Fire said:
" @eggbert20 said:
"Just like most anything nowadays, ya just gotta overlook all the "wokeness". Day one purchase for sure. "
As a Castle fan who always wished there were more female characters/minifigures to make my medieval minifig population more representative of an actual population, a more equal ratio of male to female minifigures is extremely welcome, even if there weren't really female knights in medieval times. Previous Castle themes only had female minifigures that were princesses, queens, and I think we got one or two female peasants. In a typical line of Castle sets, you'd have maybe 3 female minifigures across the entire line, and 20+ males when you add up all the soldiers and knights. Girls play with these toys too. And even aside from that, to create a realistic world you'd kind of want to have a fairly even ratio of males and females. It's a toy featuring fictional factions/kingdoms that happens to be set in the medieval time period. Some of the knights are female. It's not that big of a deal, and extra female minifigure inclusion isn't really an example of "wokeness." (Also, if you think calling something "woke" is an insult, you don't really understand what "woke" means.)
EDIT: Just saw that comments about the gender of the minifigs got out of hand and were deleted. If this comment is going too far, my apologies, please delete it. I just find it frustrating that some people are getting offended by equal gender representation in a LEGO set."
You actually just said what I said, only better. Historically accurate? No. Enjoyable and available to anyone, regardless of gender? Yes! "
The cool thing is none of the torsos seem to be gender specific, so a quick change of the head solves any problems someone may have.
@blue_squadron said:
" @sipuss said:
" @blue_squadron There's a blue wizard right now in BaM."
Thanks -- sadly no wizard on BaM in the UK. Is the one you're seeing based on the parts of the CMF wizard?
The current BaM selection here is very odd and mis-matched. Oh well..."
The parts are new, somewhat similar though. Hopefully it's okay to link Jay here:
https://jaysbrickblog.com/reviews/review-lego-build-a-minifigure-bam-exclusives-q2-2022/
My impression is that Brickset's official reviews are becoming less and less objective. Some obvious flaws are not mentioned, and when reviewer does mention some deficiency or disappointing fact about a set, he usually tries to justify it with (often unconvincing) explanation.
These problems are present also in this review. For example: unsuccessful effort to describe Majisto's undecorated minifigure in positive light, lack of strong criticism for so many indentical torso and leg prints in such expensive set, etc.
My guess is that Brickset's management is afraid of making completely objective reviews (which could sometimes decrease sales of Lego sets), because they don't want to jeopardize their cooperation with the Lego Group (i.e. "Recognized Lego Fan Media" status, free Lego sets which they receive for reviews, etc).
@CapnRex101 said:
"All comments regarding the gender of minifigures in this set have been removed. I had hoped those wishing to address the topic could engage in reasonable discussion, but it seems not everybody can, unfortunately."
Censorship is not reasonable either...
@Lion_knight said:
"My impression is that Brickset's official reviews are becoming less and less objective. Some obvious flaws are not mentioned, and when reviewer does mention some deficiency or disappointing fact about a set, he usually tries to justify it with (often unconvincing) explanation.
These problems are present also in this review. For example: unsuccessful effort to describe Majisto's undecorated minifigure in positive light, lack of strong criticism for so many indentical torso and leg prints in such expensive set, etc.
My guess is that Brickset's management is afraid of making completely objective reviews (which could sometimes decrease sales of Lego sets), because they don't want to jeopardize their cooperation with the Lego Group (i.e. "Recognized Lego Fan Media" status, free Lego sets which they receive for reviews, etc)."
That's the thing about "objectivity," though. It's rather subjective. For example, I find the several identical minifigure prints to be a positive thing, because among other things it helps with "army building."
@Lion_knight said:
"My impression is that Brickset's official reviews are becoming less and less objective. Some obvious flaws are not mentioned, and when reviewer does mention some deficiency or disappointing fact about a set, he usually tries to justify it with (often unconvincing) explanation.
These problems are present also in this review. For example: unsuccessful effort to describe Majisto's undecorated minifigure in positive light, lack of strong criticism for so many indentical torso and leg prints in such expensive set, etc.
My guess is that Brickset's management is afraid of making completely objective reviews (which could sometimes decrease sales of Lego sets), because they don't want to jeopardize their cooperation with the Lego Group (i.e. "Recognized Lego Fan Media" status, free Lego sets which they receive for reviews, etc)."
Seeking to understand LEGO's decisions does not necessarily mean agreeing with them. We try to provide constructive criticism in our reviews because this encourages positive changes in future products.
Also, reviews are fundamentally an expression of opinion, which means our opinions might differ. You mentioned disappointment at the Lion Knights including identical torsos, which makes sense given your username and is entirely reasonable, but I do not feel as strongly. Adding some different designs would have been welcome, but was not vital, in my opinion.
Regardless, even if you do not consider our reviews sufficiently objective, hopefully they help inform your opinion.
@Uhr said:
" @CapnRex101 said:
"All comments regarding the gender of minifigures in this set have been removed. I had hoped those wishing to address the topic could engage in reasonable discussion, but it seems not everybody can, unfortunately."
Censorship is not reasonable either..."
Unfortunately, it is sometimes necessary. When one group of comments is accusing LEGO of indoctrinating children and another is accusing individuals of misogyny, that conversation is bound to derail the comments completely, so is best avoided.
Respectful discussion and disagreement is absolutely fine, but sometimes it goes too far.
@Lion_knight said:
"My guess is that Brickset's management is afraid of making completely objective reviews (which could sometimes decrease sales of Lego sets), because they don't want to jeopardize their cooperation with the Lego Group (i.e. "Recognized Lego Fan Media" status, free Lego sets which they receive for reviews, etc)."
Brickset's management (that must be me I suppose) has no such fears and does not need to have. LEGO does not expect us to write positive reviews and doing otherwise does not jeopardise anything.
@sipuss said:
"The parts are new, somewhat similar though. Hopefully it's okay to link Jay here:
https://jaysbrickblog.com/reviews/review-lego-build-a-minifigure-bam-exclusives-q2-2022/"
Gotcha — thank you! I was thinking of the online BaM via Lego.com but had forgotten about the stores. That wizard torso and skirt look like they would have been a very good fit for 10305, even if they had kept the original hat and the more recent beard.
I get that the BaM figs are meant to be exclusive but if they can create that for a stand-alone figure then surely they could have done something similar for a set as significant as this is.
I’ll have to go hunting…!’
This set is great.
But..... we all know the worst (untold) part about it...
NO GOATS! :-(
Maybe it'll come with a goat battle pack GWP!
@blue_squadron
@sipuss
They also have Black Falcon shields, torsos, and grey knight helmets in the store BaM (at least in the U.S.).
The dual-molded dark grey and black legs also work great for upscaling your SW Imperial officers.
@123MrBrick said:
"Bionicle was robbed."
Considering Bionicle is around 30 years older then these themes and LEGO tried Bionicle again and it flopped its fair they didn’t make a set for it.
@StyleCounselor said:
" @blue_squadron
@sipuss
They also have Black Falcon shields, torsos, and grey knight helmets in the store BaM (at least in the U.S.).
The dual-molded dark grey and black legs also work great for upscaling your SW Imperial officers."
Yes... in theory. The reality around here though is that multiple trips to the store yielded nothing of those pieces, only the last one got me 2 knights, and that's just torsos and legs (and I had to kindly ask someone from staff if there was a chance to find second pair of legs for me in the back...). I also got that "oh, you sweet summer child" when I asked about helmets and shields, so... yea ;)
I'm slightly put off by the curved tops of the walls/crenellations. They're beautiful new lego elements but are they realistic? I'm only familiar with flat or sloped surfaces in real castles.
@sipuss said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @blue_squadron
@sipuss
They also have Black Falcon shields, torsos, and grey knight helmets in the store BaM (at least in the U.S.).
The dual-molded dark grey and black legs also work great for upscaling your SW Imperial officers."
Yes... in theory. The reality around here though is that multiple trips to the store yielded nothing of those pieces, only the last one got me 2 knights, and that's just torsos and legs (and I had to kindly ask someone from staff if there was a chance to find second pair of legs for me in the back...). I also got that "oh, you sweet summer child" when I asked about helmets and shields, so... yea ;)"
Yeah, that's often the problem with BaM. Serendipity seems to be the key. You go for something specific, and get nothing. You're just browsing, and suddenly you are amazed at the rare pieces.
I was able to get 6 knights with dual molded legs. There were plenty more of torsos, helms and shields. But, the legs seemed out.
Yet, it doesn't hurt to ask when they are getting new parts in or just another shipment of the old parts. The more they get to know you (and how much you spend) the more likely they will help you wth your 'habit.' ;)
@WemWem said:
"Came for complaints about the female soldier figs, was not disappointed.
I’d suggest anyone wailing at realism look up the history of women in warfare - it’s not as cut and dry as is typically depicted in western media.
Why not also use this opportunity to get creative? Maybe this is a matriarchal faction of Lion Knights. Maybe there was a bad war that killed most of the men so the women were forced into service more. There’s possibilities for play here, but unfortunately many people just view this as cynical virtue signaling.
It’s a real bummer!"
...as opposed to eastern media? lol
This should be a day 1 purchase. I'm scared of the price and I know I have time to pick it up, but at the same time it has been wanted for so long...
A lot of details here. I Love the new prints. I love the new torsos. I remember a few years ago they released that updated Lion Knight that looked like the old version. I was more than happy with that thanks to nostalgia. These figures look like a nice, updated addition.
The castle itself looks really well done. I love the angles. The color scheme works well (like most castle MOCs being this color), but I don't feel concerned about big gray wall syndrome. So well done to the designer team.
Too. Much. Nostalgia.
This is more an adult MOC than a kid's play set, and it's targeted towards adults who were kid in the 80s. Well played, LEGO. But that reference to Nexo really ruins the atmosphere, that had nothing to do with castle! Nothing I say!
Also, great review. Just a note: that's a cow, not an ox. Oxen are male....
Just noticed the toilet paper roll thing. That's very inaccurate, it was invented in the 19th century. In medieval Europe, people used used rags or leaves or similar stuff, paper was a luxury item.
@biffuz said:
"Just noticed the toilet paper roll thing. That's very inaccurate, it was invented in the 19th century. In medieval Europe, people used used rags or leaves or similar stuff, paper was a luxury item."
I assumed the toilet paper was just meant as a cheeky joke, and possibly a simple signifier for folks who don't know as much about medieval life to recognize it as a bathroom. But in addition to that there's another accessory in the privy that looks like a stick with a bit of moss on it, which might be meant as a more period-accurate sort of "wipe". So if you're super concerned about accuracy, leaving out the 1x1 round brick is simple.
Majisto conjured it up from the future to make his life a little bit more comfortable, and y'all are worrying about historical accuracy... ;)
Very odd choice for the completely blank torso for Majisto. He always came with a pouch on his torso at least before.
@biffuz said:
"
Also, great review. Just a note: that's a cow, not an ox. Oxen are male...."
The reviewer warned us to not to mention any of the charachters gender! XD
@CAC101 said:
" @123MrBrick said:
"Bionicle was robbed."
Considering Bionicle is around 30 years older then these themes and LEGO tried Bionicle again and it flopped its fair they didn’t make a set for it."
I'd argue its totally fair that it didn't make the cut for the actual 90th anniversary set. What's more upsetting is that for the 90th LEGO decided to make TWO Castle sets and a Space one. If they kept Barracuda Bay in production for another year and threw in a $20 BIONICLE set instead of the Forestman Hideout they could've made everyone happy.
In my castle they will all have the classic smiley face <3