Last week I visited PEI. Irving Oil is a chain throughout the east coast. I was surprised to find their signs saying "clean regular and clean diesel". Let's be clear, there are no "clean" fuels. A litre of gas produces 2.3 kg of CO2. A litre of diesel produces 2.67 kgs of CO2. CO2 is not clean period. And while a litre of gas produces less CO2 than a litre of diesel you will tipically get further and haul more with a litre of diesel than a litre of gas so you produce less CO2 per unit of distance than gas. Some may say that's cleaner. But none of this is clean. After a search of the company the first article is about how they continue to fight federal pollution rules. I'm a big advocate of electric and I know that will take time for some. This post is just about the greenwashing by and oil/gas company. Fuel is not clean or green. It's Fuel and creates CO2 which is bad for the planet and humanity. #greenwashing #sustainability
But you think the extraction of lithium for the batteries is good? How many earth moving machinery are used for all of this, then the fuel itself for that, maintaining that equipment with oils and many other petrochemicals to make sure it’s running correctly. I understand the need to assist worldwide in reducing our c02 emissions but you sir ain’t making a difference with your lack of evidence to support it. We will never get out of the usage of fossil fuels because even all of the other options for renewables are derived still from oils and gas for their creation. You need oil for your turbines and regular maintenance, the production of the actual turbine components, solar panels are mainly used from petrochemicals, they are housed in metal frame for the most part, hydro is another one you need to regularly maintain the working components that make these work. Stop hating on the industry’s that keep literally every single person in the world with heat, power and sustainable ways of surviving.
Shane Harker can you explain why it takes 2 years of being on the road for an electric car to actual become carbon neutral from the construction (specifically the battery). Then another 1.5 years to actually catch up and pass the carbon foot print on a gasoline powered car? How long does the average electric car stay on the road before you start getting battery degradation? About 3.5 years! So let's be brutally honest here, electric cars under their current build configuration do not reduce the carbon footprint really at all or marginally at best! Please speak the truth if you know before pushing your agenda! We won't even speak about how toxic the chemicals used to make Lithium batteries are to the environment. HAVE you ever watch the videos of birds landing in the ponds of chemicals outside of battery plants. They dont just die within a day or 2, or even hours most of them succumb within minutes! If you don't believe me, just look up the videos on your own and not through some news organization that's pro-environment! If you want to make a difference start with the commercial buildings industry. Commercial buildings are nearly 50% of the carbon foot print and are still probably some of the most inefficient operations out there!
Paul Martin
3w
Shane Harker thanks so much for starting this thread! It's helping me to weed people out from my list of connections. People who continue to deny that AGW is real, or that we're causing it, or to pretend that fossil CO2 is "good for the planet", just need to be blocked. Such people are not worth talking to, much less doing business with. And to persist at this point with that position is an indication of a case of confirmation bias equivalent to a block of concrete cast around the person's head. There's no way you're getting through to them. For those of you who don't fit that category, here is what real scientists think about these matters. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/global-warming-risk-arises-from-three-facts-paul-martin/
If we are HONEST, the dirty industrial age of fossil fuel is over. - Change for some isn't in their personal interest. No one should be surprised there is polarizing misinformation and disinformation facilitating a few to hang-on and continue profiting from a dying industry. - HONEST FACT: there is simply nothing clean, efficient, safe, geopolitically stable, or sustainable about drilling, pumping out of the ground, refining, transporting, storing or burning fossil fuel. #Innovation #Technology #Creativity #Future #Sustainability
In looking at the photo, I see a number of items where naturally-occurring petroleum & natural gas was used as feedstock for these items. You are an EV fan so I assume that you used an EV on your travels. Likely you were rolling on that asphalt road in the image, which is a mixture of bitumen from petroleum and coarse & fine-grained aggregates. The signs in the photo are made (1) largely of plastic & the lights appear to be plastic LEDs, both of whose feedstock are petrochemicals, (2) along with steel to provide a frame for the sign which likely incorporated hydrocarbons in the mining of the iron ore, the transport to the steel foundry & mill, the supply chain to the sign maker, etc., and (3) the paint on the steel likely has a significant petrochemical component. The wooden power pole has plastic conduit (petrochemical source) on it, along with a transformer (which contains oil likely derived from refined petroleum though there could be some use of plant-based oil) with the power pole supporting various electrical & other cables whose wires are covered by plastic wire insulation (plastic from petrochemicals). Here I ignore all petrochemicals used in the EV and in the apparatus the photo was taken with. Food for thought.
I hope you understand that EVs are green neither. Their mile/fuel economy can be worse that the most modern Diesel engine. Unless you are not interested how the electricity was getting to your outlet. But even then, batteries are not net zero and have a huge geopolitical sourcing problem. You probably know that China restricted the export of graphite and Cobalt is material that mostly comes from conflict zones. Hydrogen generated electricity (with Carbon and Methan capture) can lead to a "clean" mobility engine, i.e. creating electricity at the vehicle. Hydrogen concentrates the emission program to a few million production sites vs. billions of mobility users.
Peter Poos
3w
CO2 is good for humanity! If the human body were to stop producing - and emitting CO2 - we’d be dead. It’s a key building block of life. You, me - we - each produce ~28.7 g/h/person (+\- 2.1), according to this reference: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969722023348#bb0260 If you believe CO2 is a pollutant, I’d stop drinking the Kool-Aid, if I were you. It’s practically a trace element in the atmosphere @ ~0.000 4 mole fraction/~400 ppm. 500 000 000 years ago it was 0.006 mole fraction/6000 ppm, or ~ 15 times higher. Im pretty sure the Industrial Revolution hadn’t quite started just yet, so if the gas is a planet killer then how did earth survive those much higher concentraions and come about to this beautiful planet we call home with its now much lower CO2 concentrations - that has supported humans so well our population has increased from ~2 billion to ~8 billion in the last 200 years? My money is on fossil fules providing the energy and feedstock necessary to heat/cool us, fertilize/feed us, and clothe/medicate us.
Fuel is very good for humanity. Without it, many of us would live a subsistence existence. I, for one, have no interest in going back to the dark ages. As to your preference for electric cars … you do realize those cars are plugged in and receive energy from power plants that for the most part run on oil, gas and coal, right?
Why would you term CO2 to be “dirty “?? CO2 is a colourless odourless gas that is essential for photosynthesis which gives us our plants (Flora) and oxygen! CO2 is at a historically low concentration in the atmosphere and is the atmosphere’s most important gas! Without it, no life and no oxygen!!
Business Development at Fesco
3wSir. If you truly believe what your saying and are currently using these energy products today in your home, travel, etc. then STOP using them NOW and convert TOTALLY to what you advocate regarding energy products. I know your answer, but please explain I’m listening. I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but Paul Bradley is exactly right. My grandmother was born in 1913 and lived to 105. She told me the stories of doing without. It was brutal, and every photo she showed me from her childhood nobody was smiling and that’s always startled me. Because Life was hard, but you’ll learn that quickly if you take my challenge to convert totally away from Oil & Gas. No one is stopping you sir. Finally, a “thank you” would be much appreciated to those like myself making a living and providing what you’re demonizing!! Take the challenge as I stated earlier no one is stopping you sir.