July 5, 2024 • 33 mins
Biden screams at Independence Day event. Biden "rally" in Wisconsin. How we can make America great again. Brian Stelter on Stephanopoulos interview. Rush on the American Exceptionalism. Brokered conventions usually end in losses. Callers weigh in on replacing Biden.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Happy Independence Day. We gotta do what our founders did,
show the world nation of dignity, honor, and just devotion
to one another.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is now.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I really mean it, folks. It's all about democracy, it's
all about freedom.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's all about who we are.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We're the United States of America, and nothing like it
exists in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Happy Fourth of July. Enjoy the fireworks. God love you all.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I really mean that line. I didn't just read off
the teleprompter. And notice how I didn't repeat this particular
time the pause for effect line or something like that.
That guy he's getting ready to quote unquote rally in Madison, Wisconsin.
Taking a look at the setup right now, and it's interesting.
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I don't know how big this venue is that they
are setting up in, but.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It doesn't look that big.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The venue does not look now look that. And Madison
is certainly an opportunity rich environment for any Democrat president,
so we shall see. I mean, it's turned into like
mystery science theater presidency, hasn't it. It's where it's just like, hey,
you have no idea what we're going to get, but it's
probably going to be entertaining, Yeah, provided that you don't
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think about the consequences of the leader of the free
world looking as he does on the world stage when
you have people like Chijing Ping and the Mullas and
little recked man in Vladimir Putin. Because the one thing
that is always important to remember is that, well, China
isn't just China. China is Russia, China is North Korea
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with little Rocket Man, it is the Mullahs in Iran,
It's Cuba, it's Nica, it's Venezuela. You got all the
bad actors that work together and that take a look
what goes on with our weakness. And I do think,
no matter what, we're in for a real test between
now and January twentieth because the opportunity, given the weakness
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on the world stage, I do think that is a
real headwind for us. And you know, to that end,
all kidding aside, I do root for at least competence.
You know, we do need Joe Biden to be at
least minimally competent so we aren't in World War three
by January twentieth. I mean, these things are actually important,
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albeit sadly entertaining in ways, So we'll wait and see
what happens with the I rally in Wisconsin. And then
the interview, the All Importance Tefanopolis interview where George Stefanopolis
after fifty years of a political career and being the
incumbent President of the United States, where George Stefanopolis is
going to decide whether or not Joe Biden gets a
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continuous president of the United States and his campaign. I mean,
it's a fascinating world do we live in right now?
Of course, that Stephanopolis interview eight o'clock tonight gets your
popcorn ready.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Brian Muddy and for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'm the host of the Brian mud Show, hugged out
of my home station w j and O in West
Palm Beach. You can check out the Brian mud Show
podcast wherever you get your podcasts at Brian Mudd Radio. Socially,
pleasure being here with you and to this extended holiday
weekend for so many and one of the things to
take a look at as we are just four months now,
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four months away from election day, is really making America
great again? You know, I came into this year really
optimistic because there finally was light at the end of
this tunnel. It has been a rough few years. We've
all lived at we all know it. But coming into
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this year, it's like, Okay, this is the time to
do something about it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And then not just to win an election.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I was talking about this the onset of the show,
the importance of not just winning elections anymore, but really
transforming hearts and minds, because if we win elections but
all we're doing is hitting the pause button on crazy
things will just get worse, you know, four years from now,
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for example, even if we win this year. So we've
got to do more than just win elections. We have
to have a true political transformation, and you got to
start with younger voters. And this has presented the opportunity.
So we really are at a true crossroads as we're
celebrating this Independence Day weekend. What kind of country are
we going to be going forward? I have never been
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this person, not up to this point in my career.
Next month, I'll be in my twenty seventh year doing this,
and I've never been the type to go, this is
the most important election of our lives. Everybody always seems
to say that, and this time, it's actually true. This time,
it is actually true. This one is that important. It's
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not recency bias. If we don't get this election right,
you take a look at what's happening on the world stage,
the weakness that we have in this country, our southern border,
and how this country is being transformed from outside but
now within, from the outside, the lack of American exceptionalism.
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If this is allowed to continue to fester, the country
that you know, we knew, the country that was great.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, hard to see how that story ends.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well at this point, you know, it's every world superpower
has always fallen right, and it's always easy to take
a look back historically and go, oh, well, well that
was kind of dumb with them to do that. How
do you think a lot of the decisions that we've
been making over these past few years.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Look, we know how stupid they are right now.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
We don't need a historical perspective one hundred, two hundred,
five hundred years from now to go, wow, you know
those Americans that probably was pretty stupid. We get it
right now. So it's time to do something about this.
So on a more optimistic notice, and we head down
the home stretch of this campaign against whomever the Democrats
nominee will be. You think about the opportunity right now
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to transform this country in a positive way. The first
thing is you have to have people that are reachable,
and we are seeing historically people that are becoming reachable
because they realize that they were lied to by Biden
and by Democrats, that their policies have failed them. You know,
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if you take a look at Gallup, they're the oldest polster,
and they've been pulling on presidential approval going back to
the fifties and they have every month had approval polling
that they put out since Eisenhower was president, and entering
this year, go back to January, Joe Biden had the
lowest approval rating according to Gallup entering an election year
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they've ever sampled. It was at thirty nine percent in January. Well,
in Gallup's most recent survey that stands at thirty eight percent, which,
by the way, I even if you take a look
at the real Clear Politics average, that's basically at thirty
eight percent right now too, so pretty much everything's lining
up that way. Thirty eight percent approval, so to put
that in perspective, it is three points lower than Donald
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Trump's approval rating was on this eight four years ago,
in the middle of a one hundred year pandemic, three
points worse than that. What also is instructive here, it
is eight points lower than any incumbent president who went
on to win reelection. The lowest prior approval rating on
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this state for somebody went on to win. Obama's forty
six percent. So you start taking a look at this
and how much distance there even is for him to
project well towards winning. There's a reason why, beyond just
the whole wow, looks like the dog can't hunt situation
that goes on mentally with the president. Why you already
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had some panic that had been setting in on the left,
and you start thinking about the opportunity you know, Jimmy Carter.
There are so many comparisons between Biden and Carter. Obviously,
Biden has been the worst president our country has had
since Jimmy Carter, and in many respects much worse than
Carter at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But those are the comparisons.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Everything from the historical inflation rate to economic failures, you
name it. You look at how bad of a president
Captain Pino was. That was my affectionate name for Jimmy
Cary and Peanut Farmer always referred to him as Captain Pena.
So you take a look at him and where we
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were entering the eighties, and then you take a look
at us getting Ronald Reagan on the other side, somebody
who was exceptional, somebody led with policy and did so
in a way that created a generation of mostly conservative voters.
Shen x my generation, and you see how that transformed
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so much of our country's recent political history. Now we
start to see the opportunity that's in front of us.
I want to share something with you, and I don't
want to dwell too much on data from Florida, but
I think it's relevant because Florida has been the outlier. Right,
Florida was the state that had a historically great election
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cycle for Republicans two years ago. Florida has gone from
being the ultimates wing state to being what's considered a
red state. Now, what is the roadmap here? Well, something
that's interesting if you go back even to twenty twenty,
you go back four years ago, most of the voters
between the ages of eighteen to thirty four, most of
the registered voters in the state of Florida were Democrats.
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You had fifteen percent more registered Democrats than Republicans between
the ages of eighteen and thirty four. What's happened since
the average voter eighteen and thirty four is now registering
as a Republican. There are more registered Republicans between those
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ages than there are Democrats now in the state of Florida.
That's happened in four years, that kind of flip. And
how has it happened? Well, you know, our little microcosm
of what is possible across the country. A group of
young adults that have realized, hey, you know what, if
we have good policy things, things can be pretty good.
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You know, these hants has led on his policy ideas,
they were successful and it has really created a group
of younger voters that are far more conservative than any
in Florida's history in particular. But this is the opportunity
that we have nationally. Why, because you have more young
voters that are unhappy, in fact, more that are unhappy
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with the Democrat president than at any point in recorded history.
Get this right now, voters under the age of thirty,
what do you think Joe Biden's approval rating is. Voters
under thirty, it's twenty six percent. Twenty six fairly a quarter.
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So like when you see all these kids on college campuses,
all the Marxists in college camp they're like, that's it.
Those are the ones that actually approve of this guy.
Those are the only people who take a look at
Joe Biden and go.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh, yeah, give me some more of that guy, sweet
political action. We just think how much dope you have
to be smoking for that to seem like a good idea.
But it's the first time we've ever seen a Democrat
president most disapproved of by the youngest voters and actually
the most approved of by the oldest voters. It's an
real interesting dichotomy and situation. And because of that, you
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have eyes that are open, and we're now seeing that
swing where the youngest voters are in play. So if
you take a look Fox News in particular, a lot
of the surveys have things done on the eighteen to
thirty four line. Fox News specifically breaks out in their
polls something for voters under thirty and their most recent poll,
which by the way, was done before the debate and
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naturally is one of the most favorable polls for Biden
that's come out in a long time.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The swing between twenty twenty and a.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Couple weeks ago when this poll came out with voters
under thirty twenty six points twenty six points a toss up,
basically a statistical tie between Biden and Trump with voters
under thirty those that are historically the most likely to
vote for Democrats. This is the beginning of the opportunity
that's in front of us, and it's why it's so
important now we don't just win this election, but we
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lead on policy as well, and it's why it's so
important that we win down ballot as well to give
Trump the momentum he needs congressionally to be able to
get done what he needs to get done as well.
I'm Brian Mudd in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Today.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
George Stephanopolis is all of us, He's every journalist in
the country. He's also many voters who want answers from
this president. Astoundingly, the White House is almost portraying this
interview as a cognitive test, like it's some sort of
televised doctor's appointment.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
The White House and the.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Biden campaign have raised the stakes for this interview as
if it was not already important enough. So it is
both the most important interview of the interviewer's career, Stephanopolis,
but most importantly for Biden. As you said, his presidency
is on the line here, and yet at the same time,
it's only one interview.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's not nearly.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Enough compared to what Biden has to do more broadly
to prove to the country that he's spent for service.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, there you go, some hands on analysis from Brian Stelter.
So we get ready for the Stephanopolis interview. Wait o'clock
ABC tonight Must See TV. Who would have thought that
a holiday week at eight o'clock and a Friday night,
what you'd want to be doing is tuning in to
see Joe Biden. But it is kind of like that
that thing, isn't it Never know what you're gonna get,
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you know, box life is like a box of chocolates,
So is Shoe Biden these days.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And you know.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
To that end, we've got a rally that's getting ready
to take place and Madison, Wisconsin as well with the
President and that could always be interesting. So we'll keep
our eyes and ears on that one as well. I
want to go through the mechanics for a moment of
what needs to happen or Democrats to replace Biden at
the convention if this is going to happen. So you
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have all these thoughts out there, like, you know, well
the Democrats that can just throw him overboard, and actually
the answer is for the most part, they can. So
I just want to tackle that piece of this first.
So the first thing to kind of think about is
elections have consequences, right, we know this. So we went
through the primary and the caucus season. All right, that
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is done. That ship is sailed, and as a result,
you have pledged delegates. And it wasn't like we just
had all these elections and all these people went out
to vote because it was like playtime and voting votes
so that then we could get to the convention and
just do whatever we wanted to do. So first and foremost,
the definition of a pledged delegate is this. A pledged
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delegate is a delegate to a political party's presidential nominating
convention that is pledged to support the candidate to whom
they are allocated. Okay, so on that note, Joe Biden
has three nine hundred and four of them. You know
how many are uncommitted right now thirty seven, and you
could add five to that because tem Phillips won five
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and he dropped out of the race. So Joe Biden
right now has a lead of three thy nine hundred
and four to maybe forty two if those all eyed
up against something else. So his decision whether he wants
to get out of this race or not really is
the ultimates in terms of what comes next at that convention.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm going to dive into this.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
A little bit deeper, give you a little bit of
a better idea of the one out Democrats could take
at the convention, and a little bit more on that,
and your call's next.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Brian mudd In for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
A lot of people have been made to hate the
Republican parties who are branding and marketing freedom is a
very to really unique and precious thing. We're the only
country ever founded on the premise that the freedom and
liberty of the citizen is the primary objective of the government,
the primary and protecting it and defending it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's what's exceptional about America.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Most most people, if you did a historical chair, most
human beings since the beginning of time, whenever it was.
Most human beings on this planet have lived in some
kind of tyranny. Most of them have lived in poverty,
many of them lived in in bondage under tyrannical dictatorships.
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The vast majority of people never even had the opportunity
to escape with whatever economic circumstances they were born into.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We are truly unique.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
And I don't know how many ways we are exceptional in.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I don't know how many ways we're not better people.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
It's just that the found premise on this this country
was built is what unleashed the creativity and the excellence
that lurks in every human being seeking to be the
best he or she can be. And that's what happened.
That's why the United States has become the world's number
one superpower. It's not some government that did it. It's
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not a dictator, it's not a single leader that made
it happen. It's the American people just behaving as human
beings will do when they are freed. And this is
considered an obstacle to these people.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Russia just, you know, simply brilliant. That was just ever
four years ago. And as we're celebrating this Independence Day weekend,
you think about all of the opportunity that our country
provides and it's critical that we preserve it. That's what
this election really is. Are we going to continue to
be that country, the country that went from a ragtag
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group of colonies to the world's leading superpowered under one
hundred fifs years. You know, Rush was such and on
that there.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
How in the world, with all of these established societies
around the world, do you have a ragtag group of
colonies that's when the ultimate upset against the world superpower
and then go on to become the world superpower in
under one hundred and fifty years. It happened because we
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were given the opportunity to be free where the government
didn't give us rights, but we were We had God
given rights. And now you take a look at what
we have allowed to enter our society with progressivism and
the heavy hand of government. And that's what's on the
line here. Brian Muddy in for Clay and Buck and
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I get to the phones here in just a moment.
I wanted to go through as we are taking a
look at whether Joe Biden is going to make it
through the weekend, whether he's going to get the thumbs
up or thumbs down from George Tefanopolis in the interview
as we're on standby for his rally in Madison, Wisconsin.
What needs to happen for Joe Biden not to be
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the Democrats nominee. And the answer, by and large is
that he himself has to say I'm out. And the
reason is because he has the pledged delegates I mentioned
before the break. Joe has three nine hundred and four
pledged delegates. There are a total of forty two uncommitted delegates,
thirty seven that were uncommitted, and then five one by
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DF Phillips who dropped out.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So I mean that's your scorecard right now.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Now there is one outclause, you know, Republican delegates, they're pledged,
and there really are not the kinds of outs that
the Democrats have worked in. They have one outclause at
the Democrat convention and it's called the conscience clause, says
pledged delegates. This is in the Democrats rules. Pledged delegates
must vote in all good conscience that their vote reflects
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the sentiments of those who elected them. Okay, so that
is the one potential outcause if in theory over half
of Biden's pledged delegates decided to have the convention, they
could not in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those
who elected them quote unquote, I mean, they could theoretically defect.
But there's also another way of looking at who these
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people are. If there were, for example, three thousand, nine
hundred and four remaining Biden supporters in this country, it
would be these people. It would be these delegates. These
are the most committed Biden loyalists out there. That's why
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they are pledged delegates of his because they are down
for the Biden cause, which makes it really unlikely that
would happen. So that's the first thing, is that Joe
does have to make the call himself if this is
going to go down. And then you take a look
at broker conventions. So a lot of people are like, well, well,
you know, this is definitely the better path forward for Democrats,
but is it. So the first thing is a broker
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convention is this, If you get to a convention and
you do not have a presidential nominee after the first vote,
that's when you get into what's considered a brokered convention.
If you take a look at what's happened since the
current two party system went into place, the scorecard certainly
has not been good for Democrats on this certainly has
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not worked out all that well. Now, in the very
early days of the two party system, really the first
several decades, you had the party elites on both sides
that got to the convention and decided who the party's
nominee would be, and you had people that had different
ideas about that, and so broker conventions were a lot
more common. But let me give you an idea of
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what has happened in Democrat brokeer conventions.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
They typically lose, so a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You have to go back seventy two years to find
the most recent broker convention, and it happened in nineteen
fifty two when Democrats needed three rounds of voting to
nominate Adelai Stevenson. And yeah, he didn't fare so well.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Dwight D.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Eisenhower had an easier time with him than he did
the Nazis in World War Two. He defeated Stevenson four
forty two to eighty nine in the electoral College. The
Republicans tried the broker convention thing four years earlier. Thomas
Dewey most people remember, mostly because of a false newspaper headline.
Dewey went on to lose to Truman in that election.
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So the most recent brokered conventions for both parties ended
in els. And if you go back to the onset
of this two party system eighteen sixty forward, Democrats have
held eleven brokered conventions. The result is that they've only
won three of those. They are three and eight in
election cycles where they've gone to brokeer conventions. The only
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presidents that emerged from those Grover Cleveland eighty four, Woodrow
Wilson in nineteen twelve, and FDR. FDR is actually a
product of a broker convention in nineteen thirty two. By
the way, a fun fact on this the record number
of convention votes before nominating the presidential candidate one hundred
and three rounds. He imagined that many rounds of votes
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to nominate Democrat John Davis in nineteen twenty four, one
hundred years ago, one hundred and three rounds he went
on against butt whipped by Calvin Coolidge three eighty two
to one thirty six. And actually, kind of like fun
fact number two here, the most convention rounds needed to
nominate a candidate that did go on to become president
forty six rounds the forty six that it took to
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get to Woodrow Wilson for Democrats in nineteen twelve. So anyway,
there you go. You kind of take a look back
at this situation and for the people, and this includes
Democrats especially, they're.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Like, well, we've got to.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Find, you know, the path beyond Joe. What are the
odds that there's going to be unity? What are the
odds that if Joe does get out of the way,
you're just going to have everybody line up in one
direction and it's going to be kumbaya. And that's the
reason why historically Brooker conventions have not gone well for Democrats.
They already have a problem with with party unity. A
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lot of that has to do with, you know, the
Israel Hamas war and Biden's handling of all that. Then
you take a look at the Kambala Harris factor, a
lot of people realize, you know what, she is not
likely to perform any better against Trump. She might even
do worse than Biden. So they want to try to
get her out of the way too. What's going to
happen if you have the factions of the party that
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that try to go to that place on top of
the division that already exists. So for that reason, you know,
all these conversations. Oh, you know, if it's just the Gretch,
if it's Skretcha Whitmer, it will be great. Or if it's
that hair Gavin Newsom in California, or if it's uh
maybe uh Corey Booker, he of of you know, theatrics,
maybe maybe the booty Judge, maybe a Transportation secretary p
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I mean, it's just whomever people come up with. The
odds are the story doesn't end well they travel down
that path.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
So just a little history there for you.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Let's go to the Phone's got David in Tampa, No
tease this Summer're early going to David and Tampa. Thank
you so much for hanging on. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Hi. I am a big Trump supporter, but I have
the opposite reaction to Biden screwing up in the debate.
I think that while of course it may result in
Trump winning a big victory over Harris or Biden, it
could be the only way that Democrats have to beat Trump.
They will look at the polls and they will see
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that Trump beats everywhere except Michelle Obama slaughters him. She
is a nasty, ugly woman who is not qualified, but
she slaughters him, and they may get together after reading
all the polls, and they may pressure her to run.
She doesn't want to run, but Reagan didn't want to
run either in nineteen sixty six for governor. Believe that's
a good chance that will happen. It will be a
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great tragedy. That debate was a great tragedy for Republicans,
possibly not Democrats.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, David, I appreciate the call, and I hear what
you're saying. I do think there is, you know, something
potentially viable in this argument. I do think the one
vulnerability at a convention decision, if we got to the
Broker convention, would be Michelle Obama. And for the reasons
you mentioned, she would have the potential to be a
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party unifying figure. And to your point, you know, for
the data that we have, it looks like she would
fare pretty well against Trump. I don't know that any
of these are are necessarily in stone, but I think
your analysis in that respect is on point. The counterpoint
to that is, there's zero indication that she's into doing this,
and you know, on the one hand, it's like, well,
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if she would basically just be handed the presidency without
having to really even do anything for it, who wouldn't
want that? And maybe that's the case and may well
be the case, we shall see. On the other hand,
we have somebody who's never been the politician. Ann has
never given any indication that she personally is politically ambitious
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like her husband was. To think about the commitment it
takes to do that job, and she knows very well
what that commitment looks like, and to take that away
from the life that by all accounts she very much
enjoys as somebody who's become very wealthy with houses all
over the place and you know, living the good life
and being able to influence politics that the Obama's from
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the outside the way they want to. I don't know
that it's it's that much of a given that she
could even be recruited. We shall see, But yeah, I
mean that would I will put the asterisk there that
is the one time, the one person that maybe changes
the calculus if that were to happen. Let's go to
Steve Steve in South Carolina. Steve, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Hey, thanks for having. I appreciate it. I was watching
that fireworks show or display last night, beautiful display in DC.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
By the way.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
But I guess I got a question. First. Can the
president and all those people up there on the balcony
hear the music? Because if they can not, a one
of them put their hand over the heart when they
played the national anthem.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
This is an ughly good point, and uh, you know,
got it to your point. The whole thing was about
the optics, right, he was trying to put on a
good show. They're they're trying to put on a good front.
You had the vice president there as well. There was
the you know, the the whole kind of like celebratory
thing and the pointing like look, I can see fireworks
in the sky. You know, I get your point, all right, Steve.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
So so thanks for the call, and let's see. Let's
go to uh Howard Howard in Hollywood, Florida. Here in
South Florida, Howard, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
How you doing, Bryan. I just want to make a
saving and just get your thoughts about it. I think
there are certain demographics that Tyres does better than Biden
in and it may be important. I think it does better.
She does better with women, younger voters, and minorities, and
so those three together might help swing it a little bit.
(30:16):
And I think if she puts like Chuck Schumer on
as a vice president, because I think this Senate is
about the flip and Chuck isn't going to be the
majority leader anymissa, might be a good position for him
to be on the ticket for vice president. With your books, I.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Think Schumer is one of the least popular people in politics.
You know, one of the things that you can do
is you can track your favorability writings, and Schumer has
been consistently underwater, not as unpopular as Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell,
of any of the leader figures congressionally, has consistently been
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the least favored. But I'm actually pulling this right now
to see if I can't get you some real time
favorability ratings on Yeah, we take, by the way, favorability
on Biden right now, in an average, real clear average,
thirty nine percent favorability rating for Biden Trump if you're round,
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it is forty three right now. So I mean that's
the first thing. Isn't that interesting? And Harris. So your
first piece about Harris, she's at thirty eight percent, So
here she is performing even now with the buoying that's
come in after the debate, She's come in below humor
twenty eight percent favorability rating. So yeah, I don't think
that helps their ticket at all. I'm Brian Mudd in
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for Claim Buck.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
They hope Joe Biden stays in because they see him
as weak, and then they want to run against Kamala Harris.
I'll tell you who they don't want, who they're terrified of.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Donald Trump is scared the death of Gavin news Newsom
is the one person they don't want to run against.
They're terrified what say what.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
That is?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
David Jolly.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
He is a former Republican congressman turned independent turned never
Trumper trying to stay relevant by being the guy who
used to be a Republican that goes out there and
talks badly about Republicans.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That kind of person.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
They're terrified of Gavin Newsom. The only thing that exists
that is terrified of Gavin Newsom is a hair product
because they know that they will quickly be used up.
Who who would be scared of Gavin Newsom a holy
incompetent governor of California. No, the Trump team is most
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certainly not scared of Gavin Newsom. Fun fact for you,
Kimberly Guilfoyle. You know she was married to Gavin once
upon a time. Her and Don Junior have been a
nine him for years now. I asked her how much
hair product Gavin actually used and she said, I don't
know exactly, but there are plenty of times that it
took him longer to do his hair than it did her.
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So so there you go. That's that's Gavin Newsom for
you in a nutshell. Look, thank you so much for
taking the time with me today. I've had to blast
of being here with you, filling the in for the guys.
They will be back next week after enjoying this extended
Independence Day weekend.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
We have four months ago.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
It's going to be fest of starting even tonight with
Biden and Stephanopoulos. Will George let Joe go? It should
be fun. Get popcorn ready and until next time. Brian
Mudd in for Clay and Buck Lay Travis and Buck
(33:46):
Sexton on the front lines of truth,
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Happy Independence Day. We gotta do what our founders did,
show the world nation of dignity, honor, and just devotion
to one another.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is now.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I really mean it, folks. It's all about democracy, it's
all about freedom.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's all about who we are.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We're the United States of America, and nothing like it
exists in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Happy Fourth of July. Enjoy the fireworks. God love you all.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I really mean that line. I didn't just read off
the teleprompter. And notice how I didn't repeat this particular
time the pause for effect line or something like that.
That guy he's getting ready to quote unquote rally in Madison, Wisconsin.
Taking a look at the setup right now, and it's interesting.
(01:05):
I don't know how big this venue is that they
are setting up in, but.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It doesn't look that big.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
The venue does not look now look that. And Madison
is certainly an opportunity rich environment for any Democrat president,
so we shall see. I mean, it's turned into like
mystery science theater presidency, hasn't it. It's where it's just like, hey,
you have no idea what we're going to get, but it's
probably going to be entertaining, Yeah, provided that you don't
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think about the consequences of the leader of the free
world looking as he does on the world stage when
you have people like Chijing Ping and the Mullas and
little recked man in Vladimir Putin. Because the one thing
that is always important to remember is that, well, China
isn't just China. China is Russia, China is North Korea
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with little Rocket Man, it is the Mullahs in Iran,
It's Cuba, it's Nica, it's Venezuela. You got all the
bad actors that work together and that take a look
what goes on with our weakness. And I do think,
no matter what, we're in for a real test between
now and January twentieth because the opportunity, given the weakness
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on the world stage, I do think that is a
real headwind for us. And you know, to that end,
all kidding aside, I do root for at least competence.
You know, we do need Joe Biden to be at
least minimally competent so we aren't in World War three
by January twentieth. I mean, these things are actually important,
(02:40):
albeit sadly entertaining in ways, So we'll wait and see
what happens with the I rally in Wisconsin. And then
the interview, the All Importance Tefanopolis interview where George Stefanopolis
after fifty years of a political career and being the
incumbent President of the United States, where George Stefanopolis is
going to decide whether or not Joe Biden gets a
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continuous president of the United States and his campaign. I mean,
it's a fascinating world do we live in right now?
Of course, that Stephanopolis interview eight o'clock tonight gets your
popcorn ready.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Brian Muddy and for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'm the host of the Brian mud Show, hugged out
of my home station w j and O in West
Palm Beach. You can check out the Brian mud Show
podcast wherever you get your podcasts at Brian Mudd Radio. Socially,
pleasure being here with you and to this extended holiday
weekend for so many and one of the things to
take a look at as we are just four months now,
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four months away from election day, is really making America
great again? You know, I came into this year really
optimistic because there finally was light at the end of
this tunnel. It has been a rough few years. We've
all lived at we all know it. But coming into
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this year, it's like, Okay, this is the time to
do something about it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And then not just to win an election.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I was talking about this the onset of the show,
the importance of not just winning elections anymore, but really
transforming hearts and minds, because if we win elections but
all we're doing is hitting the pause button on crazy
things will just get worse, you know, four years from now,
(04:28):
for example, even if we win this year. So we've
got to do more than just win elections. We have
to have a true political transformation, and you got to
start with younger voters. And this has presented the opportunity.
So we really are at a true crossroads as we're
celebrating this Independence Day weekend. What kind of country are
we going to be going forward? I have never been
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this person, not up to this point in my career.
Next month, I'll be in my twenty seventh year doing this,
and I've never been the type to go, this is
the most important election of our lives. Everybody always seems
to say that, and this time, it's actually true. This time,
it is actually true. This one is that important. It's
(05:15):
not recency bias. If we don't get this election right,
you take a look at what's happening on the world stage,
the weakness that we have in this country, our southern border,
and how this country is being transformed from outside but
now within, from the outside, the lack of American exceptionalism.
(05:40):
If this is allowed to continue to fester, the country
that you know, we knew, the country that was great.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, hard to see how that story ends.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well at this point, you know, it's every world superpower
has always fallen right, and it's always easy to take
a look back historically and go, oh, well, well that
was kind of dumb with them to do that. How
do you think a lot of the decisions that we've
been making over these past few years.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Look, we know how stupid they are right now.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
We don't need a historical perspective one hundred, two hundred,
five hundred years from now to go, wow, you know
those Americans that probably was pretty stupid. We get it
right now. So it's time to do something about this.
So on a more optimistic notice, and we head down
the home stretch of this campaign against whomever the Democrats
nominee will be. You think about the opportunity right now
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to transform this country in a positive way. The first
thing is you have to have people that are reachable,
and we are seeing historically people that are becoming reachable
because they realize that they were lied to by Biden
and by Democrats, that their policies have failed them. You know,
(06:59):
if you take a look at Gallup, they're the oldest polster,
and they've been pulling on presidential approval going back to
the fifties and they have every month had approval polling
that they put out since Eisenhower was president, and entering
this year, go back to January, Joe Biden had the
lowest approval rating according to Gallup entering an election year
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they've ever sampled. It was at thirty nine percent in January. Well,
in Gallup's most recent survey that stands at thirty eight percent, which,
by the way, I even if you take a look
at the real Clear Politics average, that's basically at thirty
eight percent right now too, so pretty much everything's lining
up that way. Thirty eight percent approval, so to put
that in perspective, it is three points lower than Donald
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Trump's approval rating was on this eight four years ago,
in the middle of a one hundred year pandemic, three
points worse than that. What also is instructive here, it
is eight points lower than any incumbent president who went
on to win reelection. The lowest prior approval rating on
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this state for somebody went on to win. Obama's forty
six percent. So you start taking a look at this
and how much distance there even is for him to
project well towards winning. There's a reason why, beyond just
the whole wow, looks like the dog can't hunt situation
that goes on mentally with the president. Why you already
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had some panic that had been setting in on the left,
and you start thinking about the opportunity you know, Jimmy Carter.
There are so many comparisons between Biden and Carter. Obviously,
Biden has been the worst president our country has had
since Jimmy Carter, and in many respects much worse than
Carter at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But those are the comparisons.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Everything from the historical inflation rate to economic failures, you
name it. You look at how bad of a president
Captain Pino was. That was my affectionate name for Jimmy
Cary and Peanut Farmer always referred to him as Captain Pena.
So you take a look at him and where we
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were entering the eighties, and then you take a look
at us getting Ronald Reagan on the other side, somebody
who was exceptional, somebody led with policy and did so
in a way that created a generation of mostly conservative voters.
Shen x my generation, and you see how that transformed
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so much of our country's recent political history. Now we
start to see the opportunity that's in front of us.
I want to share something with you, and I don't
want to dwell too much on data from Florida, but
I think it's relevant because Florida has been the outlier. Right,
Florida was the state that had a historically great election
(10:02):
cycle for Republicans two years ago. Florida has gone from
being the ultimates wing state to being what's considered a
red state. Now, what is the roadmap here? Well, something
that's interesting if you go back even to twenty twenty,
you go back four years ago, most of the voters
between the ages of eighteen to thirty four, most of
the registered voters in the state of Florida were Democrats.
(10:24):
You had fifteen percent more registered Democrats than Republicans between
the ages of eighteen and thirty four. What's happened since
the average voter eighteen and thirty four is now registering
as a Republican. There are more registered Republicans between those
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ages than there are Democrats now in the state of Florida.
That's happened in four years, that kind of flip. And
how has it happened? Well, you know, our little microcosm
of what is possible across the country. A group of
young adults that have realized, hey, you know what, if
we have good policy things, things can be pretty good.
(11:07):
You know, these hants has led on his policy ideas,
they were successful and it has really created a group
of younger voters that are far more conservative than any
in Florida's history in particular. But this is the opportunity
that we have nationally. Why, because you have more young
voters that are unhappy, in fact, more that are unhappy
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with the Democrat president than at any point in recorded history.
Get this right now, voters under the age of thirty,
what do you think Joe Biden's approval rating is. Voters
under thirty, it's twenty six percent. Twenty six fairly a quarter.
(11:52):
So like when you see all these kids on college campuses,
all the Marxists in college camp they're like, that's it.
Those are the ones that actually approve of this guy.
Those are the only people who take a look at
Joe Biden and go.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh, yeah, give me some more of that guy, sweet
political action. We just think how much dope you have
to be smoking for that to seem like a good idea.
But it's the first time we've ever seen a Democrat
president most disapproved of by the youngest voters and actually
the most approved of by the oldest voters. It's an
real interesting dichotomy and situation. And because of that, you
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have eyes that are open, and we're now seeing that
swing where the youngest voters are in play. So if
you take a look Fox News in particular, a lot
of the surveys have things done on the eighteen to
thirty four line. Fox News specifically breaks out in their
polls something for voters under thirty and their most recent poll,
which by the way, was done before the debate and
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naturally is one of the most favorable polls for Biden
that's come out in a long time.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The swing between twenty twenty and a.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Couple weeks ago when this poll came out with voters
under thirty twenty six points twenty six points a toss up,
basically a statistical tie between Biden and Trump with voters
under thirty those that are historically the most likely to
vote for Democrats. This is the beginning of the opportunity
that's in front of us, and it's why it's so
important now we don't just win this election, but we
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lead on policy as well, and it's why it's so
important that we win down ballot as well to give
Trump the momentum he needs congressionally to be able to
get done what he needs to get done as well.
I'm Brian Mudd in for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Today.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
George Stephanopolis is all of us, He's every journalist in
the country. He's also many voters who want answers from
this president. Astoundingly, the White House is almost portraying this
interview as a cognitive test, like it's some sort of
televised doctor's appointment.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
The White House and the.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Biden campaign have raised the stakes for this interview as
if it was not already important enough. So it is
both the most important interview of the interviewer's career, Stephanopolis,
but most importantly for Biden. As you said, his presidency
is on the line here, and yet at the same time,
it's only one interview.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's not nearly.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Enough compared to what Biden has to do more broadly
to prove to the country that he's spent for service.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, there you go, some hands on analysis from Brian Stelter.
So we get ready for the Stephanopolis interview. Wait o'clock
ABC tonight Must See TV. Who would have thought that
a holiday week at eight o'clock and a Friday night,
what you'd want to be doing is tuning in to
see Joe Biden. But it is kind of like that
that thing, isn't it Never know what you're gonna get,
(14:41):
you know, box life is like a box of chocolates,
So is Shoe Biden these days.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And you know.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
To that end, we've got a rally that's getting ready
to take place and Madison, Wisconsin as well with the
President and that could always be interesting. So we'll keep
our eyes and ears on that one as well. I
want to go through the mechanics for a moment of
what needs to happen or Democrats to replace Biden at
the convention if this is going to happen. So you
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have all these thoughts out there, like, you know, well
the Democrats that can just throw him overboard, and actually
the answer is for the most part, they can. So
I just want to tackle that piece of this first.
So the first thing to kind of think about is
elections have consequences, right, we know this. So we went
through the primary and the caucus season. All right, that
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is done. That ship is sailed, and as a result,
you have pledged delegates. And it wasn't like we just
had all these elections and all these people went out
to vote because it was like playtime and voting votes
so that then we could get to the convention and
just do whatever we wanted to do. So first and foremost,
the definition of a pledged delegate is this. A pledged
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delegate is a delegate to a political party's presidential nominating
convention that is pledged to support the candidate to whom
they are allocated. Okay, so on that note, Joe Biden
has three nine hundred and four of them. You know
how many are uncommitted right now thirty seven, and you
could add five to that because tem Phillips won five
(16:12):
and he dropped out of the race. So Joe Biden
right now has a lead of three thy nine hundred
and four to maybe forty two if those all eyed
up against something else. So his decision whether he wants
to get out of this race or not really is
the ultimates in terms of what comes next at that convention.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm going to dive into this.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
A little bit deeper, give you a little bit of
a better idea of the one out Democrats could take
at the convention, and a little bit more on that,
and your call's next.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Brian mudd In for Clay and Buck.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
A lot of people have been made to hate the
Republican parties who are branding and marketing freedom is a
very to really unique and precious thing. We're the only
country ever founded on the premise that the freedom and
liberty of the citizen is the primary objective of the government,
the primary and protecting it and defending it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's what's exceptional about America.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Most most people, if you did a historical chair, most
human beings since the beginning of time, whenever it was.
Most human beings on this planet have lived in some
kind of tyranny. Most of them have lived in poverty,
many of them lived in in bondage under tyrannical dictatorships.
(17:42):
The vast majority of people never even had the opportunity
to escape with whatever economic circumstances they were born into.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We are truly unique.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
And I don't know how many ways we are exceptional in.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I don't know how many ways we're not better people.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
It's just that the found premise on this this country
was built is what unleashed the creativity and the excellence
that lurks in every human being seeking to be the
best he or she can be. And that's what happened.
That's why the United States has become the world's number
one superpower. It's not some government that did it. It's
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not a dictator, it's not a single leader that made
it happen. It's the American people just behaving as human
beings will do when they are freed. And this is
considered an obstacle to these people.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Russia just, you know, simply brilliant. That was just ever
four years ago. And as we're celebrating this Independence Day weekend,
you think about all of the opportunity that our country
provides and it's critical that we preserve it. That's what
this election really is. Are we going to continue to
be that country, the country that went from a ragtag
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group of colonies to the world's leading superpowered under one
hundred fifs years. You know, Rush was such and on
that there.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
How in the world, with all of these established societies
around the world, do you have a ragtag group of
colonies that's when the ultimate upset against the world superpower
and then go on to become the world superpower in
under one hundred and fifty years. It happened because we
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were given the opportunity to be free where the government
didn't give us rights, but we were We had God
given rights. And now you take a look at what
we have allowed to enter our society with progressivism and
the heavy hand of government. And that's what's on the
line here. Brian Muddy in for Clay and Buck and
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I get to the phones here in just a moment.
I wanted to go through as we are taking a
look at whether Joe Biden is going to make it
through the weekend, whether he's going to get the thumbs
up or thumbs down from George Tefanopolis in the interview
as we're on standby for his rally in Madison, Wisconsin.
What needs to happen for Joe Biden not to be
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the Democrats nominee. And the answer, by and large is
that he himself has to say I'm out. And the
reason is because he has the pledged delegates I mentioned
before the break. Joe has three nine hundred and four
pledged delegates. There are a total of forty two uncommitted delegates,
thirty seven that were uncommitted, and then five one by
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DF Phillips who dropped out.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So I mean that's your scorecard right now.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Now there is one outclause, you know, Republican delegates, they're pledged,
and there really are not the kinds of outs that
the Democrats have worked in. They have one outclause at
the Democrat convention and it's called the conscience clause, says
pledged delegates. This is in the Democrats rules. Pledged delegates
must vote in all good conscience that their vote reflects
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the sentiments of those who elected them. Okay, so that
is the one potential outcause if in theory over half
of Biden's pledged delegates decided to have the convention, they
could not in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those
who elected them quote unquote, I mean, they could theoretically defect.
But there's also another way of looking at who these
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people are. If there were, for example, three thousand, nine
hundred and four remaining Biden supporters in this country, it
would be these people. It would be these delegates. These
are the most committed Biden loyalists out there. That's why
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they are pledged delegates of his because they are down
for the Biden cause, which makes it really unlikely that
would happen. So that's the first thing, is that Joe
does have to make the call himself if this is
going to go down. And then you take a look
at broker conventions. So a lot of people are like, well, well,
you know, this is definitely the better path forward for Democrats,
but is it. So the first thing is a broker
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convention is this, If you get to a convention and
you do not have a presidential nominee after the first vote,
that's when you get into what's considered a brokered convention.
If you take a look at what's happened since the
current two party system went into place, the scorecard certainly
has not been good for Democrats on this certainly has
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not worked out all that well. Now, in the very
early days of the two party system, really the first
several decades, you had the party elites on both sides
that got to the convention and decided who the party's
nominee would be, and you had people that had different
ideas about that, and so broker conventions were a lot
more common. But let me give you an idea of
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what has happened in Democrat brokeer conventions.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
They typically lose, so a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
You have to go back seventy two years to find
the most recent broker convention, and it happened in nineteen
fifty two when Democrats needed three rounds of voting to
nominate Adelai Stevenson. And yeah, he didn't fare so well.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Dwight D.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Eisenhower had an easier time with him than he did
the Nazis in World War Two. He defeated Stevenson four
forty two to eighty nine in the electoral College. The
Republicans tried the broker convention thing four years earlier. Thomas
Dewey most people remember, mostly because of a false newspaper headline.
Dewey went on to lose to Truman in that election.
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So the most recent brokered conventions for both parties ended
in els. And if you go back to the onset
of this two party system eighteen sixty forward, Democrats have
held eleven brokered conventions. The result is that they've only
won three of those. They are three and eight in
election cycles where they've gone to brokeer conventions. The only
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presidents that emerged from those Grover Cleveland eighty four, Woodrow
Wilson in nineteen twelve, and FDR. FDR is actually a
product of a broker convention in nineteen thirty two. By
the way, a fun fact on this the record number
of convention votes before nominating the presidential candidate one hundred
and three rounds. He imagined that many rounds of votes
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to nominate Democrat John Davis in nineteen twenty four, one
hundred years ago, one hundred and three rounds he went
on against butt whipped by Calvin Coolidge three eighty two
to one thirty six. And actually, kind of like fun
fact number two here, the most convention rounds needed to
nominate a candidate that did go on to become president
forty six rounds the forty six that it took to
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get to Woodrow Wilson for Democrats in nineteen twelve. So anyway,
there you go. You kind of take a look back
at this situation and for the people, and this includes
Democrats especially, they're.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Like, well, we've got to.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Find, you know, the path beyond Joe. What are the
odds that there's going to be unity? What are the
odds that if Joe does get out of the way,
you're just going to have everybody line up in one
direction and it's going to be kumbaya. And that's the
reason why historically Brooker conventions have not gone well for Democrats.
They already have a problem with with party unity. A
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lot of that has to do with, you know, the
Israel Hamas war and Biden's handling of all that. Then
you take a look at the Kambala Harris factor, a
lot of people realize, you know what, she is not
likely to perform any better against Trump. She might even
do worse than Biden. So they want to try to
get her out of the way too. What's going to
happen if you have the factions of the party that
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that try to go to that place on top of
the division that already exists. So for that reason, you know,
all these conversations. Oh, you know, if it's just the Gretch,
if it's Skretcha Whitmer, it will be great. Or if it's
that hair Gavin Newsom in California, or if it's uh
maybe uh Corey Booker, he of of you know, theatrics,
maybe maybe the booty Judge, maybe a Transportation secretary p
(26:03):
I mean, it's just whomever people come up with. The
odds are the story doesn't end well they travel down
that path.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
So just a little history there for you.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Let's go to the Phone's got David in Tampa, No
tease this Summer're early going to David and Tampa. Thank
you so much for hanging on. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Hi. I am a big Trump supporter, but I have
the opposite reaction to Biden screwing up in the debate.
I think that while of course it may result in
Trump winning a big victory over Harris or Biden, it
could be the only way that Democrats have to beat Trump.
They will look at the polls and they will see
(26:41):
that Trump beats everywhere except Michelle Obama slaughters him. She
is a nasty, ugly woman who is not qualified, but
she slaughters him, and they may get together after reading
all the polls, and they may pressure her to run.
She doesn't want to run, but Reagan didn't want to
run either in nineteen sixty six for governor. Believe that's
a good chance that will happen. It will be a
(27:02):
great tragedy. That debate was a great tragedy for Republicans,
possibly not Democrats.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, David, I appreciate the call, and I hear what
you're saying. I do think there is, you know, something
potentially viable in this argument. I do think the one
vulnerability at a convention decision, if we got to the
Broker convention, would be Michelle Obama. And for the reasons
you mentioned, she would have the potential to be a
(27:27):
party unifying figure. And to your point, you know, for
the data that we have, it looks like she would
fare pretty well against Trump. I don't know that any
of these are are necessarily in stone, but I think
your analysis in that respect is on point. The counterpoint
to that is, there's zero indication that she's into doing this,
and you know, on the one hand, it's like, well,
(27:49):
if she would basically just be handed the presidency without
having to really even do anything for it, who wouldn't
want that? And maybe that's the case and may well
be the case, we shall see. On the other hand,
we have somebody who's never been the politician. Ann has
never given any indication that she personally is politically ambitious
(28:11):
like her husband was. To think about the commitment it
takes to do that job, and she knows very well
what that commitment looks like, and to take that away
from the life that by all accounts she very much
enjoys as somebody who's become very wealthy with houses all
over the place and you know, living the good life
and being able to influence politics that the Obama's from
(28:35):
the outside the way they want to. I don't know
that it's it's that much of a given that she
could even be recruited. We shall see, But yeah, I
mean that would I will put the asterisk there that
is the one time, the one person that maybe changes
the calculus if that were to happen. Let's go to
Steve Steve in South Carolina. Steve, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Hey, thanks for having. I appreciate it. I was watching
that fireworks show or display last night, beautiful display in DC.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
By the way.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
But I guess I got a question. First. Can the
president and all those people up there on the balcony
hear the music? Because if they can not, a one
of them put their hand over the heart when they
played the national anthem.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
This is an ughly good point, and uh, you know,
got it to your point. The whole thing was about
the optics, right, he was trying to put on a
good show. They're they're trying to put on a good front.
You had the vice president there as well. There was
the you know, the the whole kind of like celebratory
thing and the pointing like look, I can see fireworks
in the sky. You know, I get your point, all right, Steve.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
So so thanks for the call, and let's see. Let's
go to uh Howard Howard in Hollywood, Florida. Here in
South Florida, Howard, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 9 (29:54):
How you doing, Bryan. I just want to make a
saving and just get your thoughts about it. I think
there are certain demographics that Tyres does better than Biden
in and it may be important. I think it does better.
She does better with women, younger voters, and minorities, and
so those three together might help swing it a little bit.
(30:16):
And I think if she puts like Chuck Schumer on
as a vice president, because I think this Senate is
about the flip and Chuck isn't going to be the
majority leader anymissa, might be a good position for him
to be on the ticket for vice president. With your books, I.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Think Schumer is one of the least popular people in politics.
You know, one of the things that you can do
is you can track your favorability writings, and Schumer has
been consistently underwater, not as unpopular as Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell,
of any of the leader figures congressionally, has consistently been
(30:55):
the least favored. But I'm actually pulling this right now
to see if I can't get you some real time
favorability ratings on Yeah, we take, by the way, favorability
on Biden right now, in an average, real clear average,
thirty nine percent favorability rating for Biden Trump if you're round,
(31:15):
it is forty three right now. So I mean that's
the first thing. Isn't that interesting? And Harris. So your
first piece about Harris, she's at thirty eight percent, So
here she is performing even now with the buoying that's
come in after the debate, She's come in below humor
twenty eight percent favorability rating. So yeah, I don't think
that helps their ticket at all. I'm Brian Mudd in
(31:39):
for Claim Buck.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
They hope Joe Biden stays in because they see him
as weak, and then they want to run against Kamala Harris.
I'll tell you who they don't want, who they're terrified of.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Donald Trump is scared the death of Gavin news Newsom
is the one person they don't want to run against.
They're terrified what say what.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
That is?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
David Jolly.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
He is a former Republican congressman turned independent turned never
Trumper trying to stay relevant by being the guy who
used to be a Republican that goes out there and
talks badly about Republicans.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
That kind of person.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
They're terrified of Gavin Newsom. The only thing that exists
that is terrified of Gavin Newsom is a hair product
because they know that they will quickly be used up.
Who who would be scared of Gavin Newsom a holy
incompetent governor of California. No, the Trump team is most
(32:45):
certainly not scared of Gavin Newsom. Fun fact for you,
Kimberly Guilfoyle. You know she was married to Gavin once
upon a time. Her and Don Junior have been a
nine him for years now. I asked her how much
hair product Gavin actually used and she said, I don't
know exactly, but there are plenty of times that it
took him longer to do his hair than it did her.
(33:08):
So so there you go. That's that's Gavin Newsom for
you in a nutshell. Look, thank you so much for
taking the time with me today. I've had to blast
of being here with you, filling the in for the guys.
They will be back next week after enjoying this extended
Independence Day weekend.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
We have four months ago.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
It's going to be fest of starting even tonight with
Biden and Stephanopoulos. Will George let Joe go? It should
be fun. Get popcorn ready and until next time. Brian
Mudd in for Clay and Buck Lay Travis and Buck
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