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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in now number two Klay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Fuck I
wanted to dive in. This was Friday on the Bill
Maher Show. Our friend Anne Colter was on and she
was talking about something that we talked about on the
show on Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
They need to have you on. By the way, I've
been on a few times and been on like a
dozen times. Clay Travis needs someone out there who knows
Bill Maher. Clay needs to be on the Bill Mahers show.
I've been on. They should have me back, but Clay
needs to get on there. I've never been invited.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I don't know. There's two shows that I would like
to do that I have never been on. I would
like to do Bill Maher because I think that is
a very interesting show where people of diverse opinions actually
sit and discuss their diverse opinions, which I think we
need more of, and I would like to do Joe Rogan.
Never been invited on Joe Rogan never been invited on
Bill Maher. I've been invited most other places in the media.
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And I know you've done a lot of CNN, BOK,
Fox News, MSNBC back in the day, probably kind of
done it.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Some of us haven't been officially banned from CNN.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I am officially banned from CNN and the ESPN. Maybe
the only person in America who's not allowed to appear
on either.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's like being banned from entry into Iran and North Korea.
That like that. I know it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Is a badge of badge of honor in some way,
and so I don't know. Maybe that's connected somehow to
not being able to go on Bill Maher Joe Rogan,
But I've never been invited on either. I did get invited,
by the way, speaking of crazy invitations, I told you
this off the year I got invited to speech speak
to the Camp Cambridge Debate Society in England, which is
I think pretty badass. So I may end up trying
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to do that if the timing works out. But if
you had on your twenty twenty four board Clay Travis
speaking in Cambridge or Oxford, that would probably be not expected.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You definitely need to show up wearing a top hat
and a monocle with an ascot and demand that they
all call you the Earl of Travis.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Maybe I can get knighted while I'm over there. Since
I've been very, very positive towards the royal family, particularly
Queen Elizabeth, who's come in for some dastardly commentary on
this program.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
From you, you know, I got called out by a brit
in Utah. Came up the after it. She's like, you're great.
I love you and Clay, but stop with the nonsense
about the royal family. They're great.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You know, that's really really funny. All right, So this
is an awful story. Let me hit you with it
because I don't know that it's going to get the
attention that it deserves. Two police officers and one first
responder were basically executed in what seems to have been
a targeted attack in Minnesota over the weekend. Three young, innocent,
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two police officers, one first responder I believe he was
a fireman. All three of them were killed. They were killed,
and I try to avoid giving attention to mass shooters.
We've talked about this some on the show because I
think the data reflect that what these people want is
to become infamous. They want us all to talk about
them and share their name and spread it widely. I
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think that is one of the drivers for why mass
shootings occur, so I try to avoid using the name.
But the guy who did it was black, and he
was an Obama supporter, and there's evidence of that. You
can go search it out if you would like. A
lot of you probably have not heard about that because
the narrative is such that if someone is black and
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they commit an act of violence, and if white people
are the victims, by and large, the media just doesn't
cover it and they immediately bury it. The flip side,
if there is a white person who engages in any
sort of violent act against any sort of minority, it
becomes the lead story for days, even sometimes weeks at
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a time. The president issues a statement, everyone decides to
line up. Well, we saw this happened last week. We
finished the show Friday telling you on air that there
were two black juveniles who had open fire at the
Kansas City Chief's Super Bowl celebration parade. One mom was killed,
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a forty two year old I believe mother of two,
a DJ in the Kansas City area, was killed. Over
twenty people were shot. Many of those people were children
and almost immediately, everybody said, this mass shooting cannot be
allowed to stand. We've got to have gun control. This
is unacceptable. Many people in the sports media on ESPN,
they took to the airwaves and demanded it. I don't
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think they've covered it since it became clear that these
were two black juveniles that were involved in the shooting
and it was some sort of dispute between the two
of them, and all of these innocent people got shot
as a result. This is actually what the data reflects
is the most likely form of mass shooting in America.
That is, two often black individuals, angry at each other,
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they fire away, and they are innocent bystanders that end
up being victims, or one or the other of them
shoots each other. This is actually what violence in America
looks like. As I said on the show on Friday,
around three or four percent of the United States population
that as black men between the ages of sixteen and
forty commits over half of all murders in America, and
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they're overwhelming of the overwhelming majority of the time, the
victims themselves are black, and it gets almost no attention.
And in fact, if this shooting in Kansas City had happened, Buck,
You said, what Kansas City had something like over one
hundred and seventy five murders in twenty twenty three, which
is a massive number relative.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Worst number in the history of the city of Kansas City.
It was the highest homicide rate ever.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And that would be if it were New York, LA
or Chicago, to put it in a per capita basis,
that would be thousands of murders that would be taking
place in those cities. Because the population of Kansas City
is a pinprick of New York, Chicago, and LA, particularly
the metropolitan surrounding area. All that is a background and
Colter went on Friday, after we had said it on
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the show that there were two young black juveniles. She
went on and directly said, this story is going to disappear,
and it's because the shooters were black. If this were
a white male, it would be everywhere. You would know
everything about him. Listen to that, cud.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
We don't know who did this shooting. By the way,
the Super Bowls we have some mind.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
You what if it were a white man shooting.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
We'd know, Well, we don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I mean that we know it's not a white man.
I can tell you that much.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Do you think they were repressing that reporting.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
They wouldn't tell us about the transgender woman that shot
up the Christian school for what like a year. Oh,
San Bernardino out here, remember the crazy terrast Muslims. That's
when I first noticed. Hmm, they're not telling us who
it is.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It's not a white male.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
The longer they go without telling you it's not a
white male.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Okay, well we don't for this one for right now
as of Friday night, February sixteen, Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
We don't officially know.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Okay, you know you have special powers.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay, she was right, one hundred percent. She was right.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
She does have special powers apparently because she was able
to see this. Now we said the same thing on Friday,
because this is apparent. But this is now effectively a
rule for the media that they will right away if
the shooter or if somebody basically, if somebody who does
something violent and terrible is white, you will know it
within minutes of the shooting, correct. And if there's some
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other component, If there's some other you know, whether it's
a you know, a gender transgender issue or a racial
issue or whatever, if there's something that's not a you know,
straight white male does killing. They will delay and delay
and delay as law as they can. And this is
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obviously meant to protect certain narratives and all sort of
promote others. So, yeah, there were two young black guys
who did the shooting at the at the parade, and
because we didn't know about them, we knew that they
weren't two white guys doing the shooting and said this.
Notice Bill Maher wasn't saying she was wrong. Yeah, correct,
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because he knew, he knew. Then Joy is sitting there.
Don Jones is a pretty is a pretty fiery debater.
I've debated him before. He didn't really get into it
with her on this because everybody knew what she was
saying was true.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
On Saturday, I think it was TMZ posted the videos,
but I had seen the videos and shared them on
social media before that, and you could see who was arrested,
two young black men. So this builds on another question, Buck.
First of all, nobody's going to talk about it now, right,
think about it. Twenty people get shot at a Super
Bowl parade in Kansas City seems like kind of a
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huge story. One innocent person is killed. The mediate question
that I have is Wait a minute, how did juveniles
get these weapons to be shooting at each other? And
we just saw up in Michigan the parents charged with
the Michigan school shooter. I immediately think, when somebody is under
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eighteen years old and does this, what in the world
are the parents doing? And and or the guardian. Because
I've got three teenagers or two teenagers and one little kid.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
We probably won't know this, but it won't come out
because they're juveniles. If you were better, I would give
somebody if we were putting odds on this, not to
make I'm by no means of making light of it,
but just in terms of the probabilities here, if you're
putting Vegas odds on it, I think I would give
someone legitimately one hundred to one that neither of these
individuals have a father in the home. Yeah, because when
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you look at, as a matter of statistics, the correlation
between violent criminal activity and the absence of a father
or you know, male father figure in the home, the
numbers are stratispiric, stratospherically high. And by the way, that's
true across all races. But in this case, we know
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these two individuals were black the chance that they do
not and obviously engaged in a horrific active mass violence.
The chance that there's no father in either home is
very high, and the data also reflects. And I always
think I think Anne addressed this by the way too.
I only saw clips of it, but she meant yea
not to leave.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Out Let's play that. Let's play that cut forward, but
right before we play cut four, the data actually reflects.
And I find this fascinating that young boys struggle more
with the absence of a father in the home than
young women do. So single parent households often with women
raising the children and having to do both the role
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of dad and mom girl, probably because I would guess
psychologically there's a strong female figure in their home that
they can look up to and aspire and role model to.
Girls actually do far better than boys do in single
parent homes. And let's listen to cut four as and
Culter makes this point. I think if we wanted to
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have a real conversation in America, two juveniles opening fire
at a Super Bowl parade would be a good opportunity
to actually have a conversation about how something like this happens. Instead,
because it's two young black men, the story vanishes and
we don't have a conversation about it at all.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Listen to cut four blacks killing blacks will not get
covered by the media. That's a huge media problem out
You'll all laugh at me, but I'm gonna say it
because I'm right right, because of this is illegitimacy. All
of these young men do not have fathers, and that
is a huge, huge source of it. Anything that could
be done to reduce to illegitimacy rape, particularly among the
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black community, it would be astronomical to changes.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You see.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Do you know just one one fact, If you take
away the factor of illegitimacy, the difference in the black
and the white crime right disappears. You know, it's an
amazing facts.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's it's it would be amazing facts if it were true.
But I'm like, I mean, it is a big part
of it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Okay. Can I just first of all, you know that's
the problem with with I'll just say this with a
liberal audience, and you get this in the Bill Mahers show.
They're clapping for what was a stupid comment. Because it
is true. It is true. This is a matter of
sociology and numbers. You can look at Holmes, is there
a married couple in the home, and look at the
correlation with crime, and the data proves this very much
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of you know, very strongly that the appsence it just
makes sense too. So Van Jones is saying it's not true.
You know why he says that because he doesn't want
to engage in the debate, so he just says that's
a lie. It's not a lie. What sheet What Anne
is saying here on the Bill Show is accurate, and
it is a conversation that we are not. You know,
we're a lot have natural conversations play about gun control,
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video game violence, white supremacy and how that's creating all
this violence. I've met jihattists or you know, I've come
across gihatis who want to blow up buildings. I've still
never met a white supremacist. I'm not saying they don't exist,
but this is a rare thing, and yet we can
have natural conversations about that. But the effect that broken
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families have, particularly on young men who have no role model,
who have no father figure, even in the home, across
the board. You know, you look at the the sociological
research on this, it's very clear and yet we're never
allowed to have a discussion about this because really what
the government has done is they've decided that they're actually
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going to Illegitimacy is subsidized effectively, and that has become
a huge component of lbj's Great Society program today.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, also, Buck, I would say this is a part
of a rature of men in general. There's this idea
that men don't matter and that masculinity is toxic. You
know what ended up happening with those guys shooting at
Kansas City Parade. Men ran and tackled those individuals to
keep them from firing more guns. I think we need
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a little bit more toxic masculinity in America.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
For young men. You know, you're raising three young boys play.
We can talk more about this, but to have a
masculine figure in their life who they respect on a
man to man level, to tell them things like you
never lay your hands on a woman, to tell them
things like you never join a group, beatdown of somebody
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who's helpless, or you know, you never you never try
to use violence instead of words unless someone is trying
to be violent with you. First, you can defend yourself.
That's the comes from dads. It's very hard for a woman,
any woman, a mother, to connect with a fourteen year
old or fifteen year old.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Boy, especially once their post puberty, once their.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Posture, once hormones and adolescents and everything kicks in.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, gotta have a You gotta have a dad
who sometimes grabs you by the scruff of the neck
and talks to you. And I the best privilege in
America today is a two parent household period regardless of
your racial background.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You are listening to the best of Clay, Travis and Bucks.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Second, it's ok with the movies here for a second,
I I gotta look at where the movie theater stocks
are because I got to figure that it's going to
be a tough time for movie theaters going forward. It's
when you add up all the headache. First of all
the notion you have to be somewhere at a certain
set time even to watch a movie. It's not a
Broadway play like, it's not quite the same kind of event.
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I remember back in the nineties early nineties going to
a movie with my family when it was first coming out,
and it was a big movie like the first remember
the the Michael Key and Batman that was a that
was a huge movie when that came out. I remember
going to see Jurassic Park with my parents and my
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whole family and seeing that the Zigfeld Theater in New
York City and the giant speakers, and that was so cool.
Movies used to be an experience that you couldn't replicate
at all at home. Now you can and you don't
have people talking. What is it with people think that
when the when the music gets loud or the sound
gets loud, you get you get start to do the
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loud whisper thing no, no, no, and pulling their phones out,
and it's just it's you know, I don't know. I
don't I don't go to I don't go to movies anymore.
I'm kind of out. I watch movies. I just don't
go to the movie theater anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I love going to the movie theater. And staff looked
this up and and and crew confirmed that I'm cleaning
you still do though, you still do still want to
take it by. Boys like to go see a movie,
love the experience. Uh even today, I would still I
was one of the diehards that would still be willing
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to go to the movie when everybody else was convinced
they were gonna die of COVID. I couldn't wait for
the movie theaters to be back open. I think they
opened back up in like May or June where I am.
I was right back in the theater as soon as
I could be, even when they were showing old eighties
and nineties movies because they didn't have any new movies
to be able to watch. What was the U was?
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What was the movie that came out that was like
the first movie to come back out after COVID? That
was a I know we had Top Gun Maverick, but
the the Interstellar guy, Uh didn't he come out with
a movie? Is an inception? Is that the movie that
came out christ was no one who had It's It's
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Denzel Washington's son, and it was about the theater getting
taken over and it's kind of a thriller and you
could change. That was the first real new release to
come back out after COVID, and I feel like that
was I don't remember when that came out, but I
remember being super excited to go see it. I wanted
to go this weekend buck. I got my phone out,
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I pulled up the fan Dango app movies mean to fail.
It's unbelievable how awful they were.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Tenant is the movie that you're tenning of it, which
I never saw. I know nothing about it. It's good.
I'm not making good movies anymore. But they're not making
good movies because the whole industry has changed because people
aren't paying twenty bucks a person to go sit in
the theater the way they used to. They want to
sit at home and stream it. That's just the reality.
My couch is so much more comfortable than a movie theater.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I want to be in the movie theater with really
good movies out again, like in the eighties and like
in the nineties. And I think that Hollywood has just
destroyed itself by being more concerned with politics than story.
Just get back to telling me good stories. That's all
I want.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Welcome back into Clay and Back. We're joined by Batya
Unger Sargun. She is an opinion editor at Newsweek, has
a new book out, Second Class, How the Elites Betrayed
America's working men and women. Batia, this is fortunate. It's
one of those times where the title itself gets a
whole lot of conversation started, I think because people recognize
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that something's gone on. I mean, I could talk just
about the elites selling out to China and what that's
done to American manufacturing and workers. But let's let you
lead us first. Here. Where should we start? How and
why have the elites betrayed America's working men and women.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Well, thank you guys so much for having me. It's
really thrilling to be here with you. It's music to
my ears to hear you say that, because I really
wanted this book to be a conversation starter. There's so
much in it that I think feels incredibly intuitive, especially
to working class people or people like you guys whose
lives are not totally separate from working class people the
way that many and the elites are. It's so obvious
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that life has become incredibly diff for the hardest working Americans.
So I really wanted to explain how that happened, why
that happened, and how we fix it. And so I
traveled around the country for a year, interviewing working class
people from all political persuasions, all races, lots of different
industries to get their thoughts on whether they think they
still have a fair shot at the American dream and
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really how we could increase their shot at the American dream.
And I heard a lot of them talking about how
betrayed they feel by the elites, and by the way,
by the elites they don't mean billionaires. A lot of
them admire billionaires. They see billionaires as jobs creators. By
the elites, they mean that sort of credentialed, college over
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educated elite in the top twenty percent in professional managerial jobs,
who really, over the course of the last four years,
have been engaged in a plunder of the middle class
and upward transfer of wealth of middle class wages into
their own pockets.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Are you optimistic that things are gonna get better for
people who are out there working on a day to
day basis. I mean, when you look at inflation, which
has taken a huge bite out of their paychecks and
all of our paychecks, but in particular when you live
paycheck to paycheck, it has far more of an impact.
Are you optimistic that the general trend lines can be
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in their favor or do you think things are perpetually
aligned against them.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
I'm really curious what you guys think about this, I
feel totally optimistic. I'll tell you why we don't remember this,
But when Trump came into office, there was a handshake
agreement between the two parties that we should have free
trade with China. I mean, that was the orthodoxy that
governed the Democrats and the Republicans at the time. And
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Trump showed up and just took an axe to that
neoliberal order and said, We're not gonna have free trade
with China. We're never trade war. And he put these
tariffs on steel and aluminum, put tariffs on others things,
really tried to write that trade deficit that we had.
And now he was so successful that President Biden has
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been unable to undo all of that work and has
actually kept a lot of those tariffs. So if you
think about how the ship was totally going in one
direction and one man could show up with the mandate
given to him by his voters and totally turn that
around so much so that his enemy, who undid every
other good thing he did, could not undo it, I
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mean that makes me feel so optimistic. I mean, on
immigration again, like it was in the nineties, it was
the Democrats who wanted to control the border because they
wanted to protect working class wages, and it was the
Republicans who wanted to give amnesty to all of these people.
Now there really is a consensus among working Americans that
immigration has gone off the charts too much and that
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we really need to stop this. And by the way,
that's liberals and conservative working class people.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I just wanted to note about you, and I think
this is so important. Trump's victory on the trade issue
came not only against the Democrat opposition to him. They
just hate anything that Trump does, but even Republicans were
initially very critical, and he broke with the DC consensus,
you could say, the Swamp consensus on trade. And the
people that I know who really study trade like that,
the trade nerds out there. I would have them on
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and talk to them, and they would point out we
were already in a trade war. It was just a
one way trade war, as in China was waging a
trade war against us, and we were saying, well, let's
just keep promoting free trade. And it was an absurdity
and Trump came and stopped that. And I appreciate that
you make note. You get into that in your book
Second Class, How the Elites betrayed America's Working Men and Women.
That's the book by Batia Hunger Stargan. You mentioned the
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immigration issue. This is one. It's one of the I
think most fascinating and honestly most important issues in America
today and has been for many years. There's more focus
on it now than there has been a while. But
let's break down some of what it really means. You
mentioned protecting wages. What does it mean the cost of
a house? What does it mean for wages to have
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not just a lot of mass immigration in general, but
now millions upon millions. Eight million is probably the number
for Biden's first term coming into the country illegally.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Yeah, it's a really really important issue. The way that
I think about it is like this. You know, first,
they shipped good paying manufacturing jobs overseas to build up
China and Mexico's middle class. Right. They took these great jobs,
five million of them, and just handed them off to
our enemies. And then President Obama defunded vocational training, cutting
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off another avenue to the American dream for working class people.
And then they invite it in millions and millions and
millions of illegal immigrants over the course of the last
fifty years, but really, like you said, over the last
four years, turbocharged to undercut further the jobs that remained here.
It is so crazy to remember that meat packing jobs,
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those used to be the job to have. They were
great wages, great benefits, you know, great protections for workers.
All of that is gone. It is now they employ
tons and tons of illegal immigrants, which means that it
drives down the wages. There are no more protections for workers,
no more benefits. So they then devalued the jobs that
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remained here. And if you objected to that as a
working class person who was trying to understand, why is
it that my parents were able to support my family
and buy a home on a single income and I'm
working two or three jobs and I can't support my children.
You're trying to struggle to understand that, and you call
it out, you get called a racist and smeared as
a racist. That is the move that the leftist elites
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do to mask their plunder of the working class and
the middle class, which put money in their pockets, because
of course they are the people who employ these illegal immigrants.
So when they open that border and flood these industries,
whether it's cleaning or landscape or meat packing or healthcare.
At the lower end of that, they flood it with
illegal workers. Everything's cheaper for them, right, They don't have
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to pay what they would have paid an American worker.
And you know the proof that this is intentional is
listen to DHS Secretary Alejandro Majorcis. Every time he has
asked about the border, and I mean every time. He
did it again three days ago on Fox News. He's
done it every time he's been before Congress or the
Senate when he is asked about the border. What does
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he say? He says, our corporations have jobs they can't fill.
He thinks his job is not to secure the border,
but to partner with these murderous cartels in supplying American
corporations with cheap labor.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Bodiya.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Based on your travels, we got Trump having his rally
in the South Bronx here in a few hours. The
data out there is reflecting that in particular for men
but also for women. But men out there, wage journers, black, white,
Asian and Hispanic are overwhelmingly moving towards Trump. Does that
surprise you? Do you think the Republican Party actually has
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way more support among minority voters out there that are
wage earners than maybe they've realized historically.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I wouldn't say it's the Republican Party because I found
in my travels that, you know, there's one thing working
class conservatives hate more than the Democratic Party, and it's
the Republican Party. They really hate the GOP as it
was embodied by someone like NICKI Haley, the kind of
free trade, foreign entanglements, foreign wars version of the party,
the Chamber of Commerce version. They are defecting from the
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Democratic Party for Trump. He's really running like a third
party candidate, is what he's done, and as an incumbent
because he has that record. And I'll tell you something funny.
When I was reporting my book, I was traveling around
the country interviewing working class people and you know, many
different communities. I didn't find a single black man who
was planning to vote for Biden. And I said to myself, girl,
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something's off, like you're your selection bias is off, like
you hand picking people, cherry picking. It wasn't until you know,
a year later that I started to see the polling
where he was really surging with black men who feel
totally sold out by the kind of feminized version of
the Democratic Party that puts a total premium out of
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college education, that welcomed in millions and millions of people
to compete for that with them for working class jobs,
and sold out their future.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
The buote out by Batia Hunger Sargan is fantastic. Highly
recommend you get a copy Second Class How the Elites
betrayed America's working men and women. Batya, that was really fascinating.
Please come back soon.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Thank you so much, God bless you guys.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Going to be interesting to see the numbers that support
the arguments that she's making there, whether they truly translate
in twenty twenty four. If they do, I think is
going to be a seismic shift in the way that
politics are talked about in this country. In a very
good way.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Charles Barkley is I think one of the funniest people
on television, and he's gotten criticism over the years because
he just says exactly what he thinks and whatever the
reaction is, he handles it. And Rush talked about this before.
I think it's one of the funniest feuds out there
a while back, Charles Barkley said that San Antonio had
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a lot of big women, and there was a demand
that he apologized because I think he said fat women,
and there were people out there who said, this is
totally unacceptable, and Rush actually weighed in on this when
the controversy began and the crew went back and grabbed
Rush talking about this. Here was and then we've got
(29:47):
an update on this that I think you guys are
going to get a good laugh from. But here was Rush.
This was a while back, I think twenty fourteen, when
there was a demand that Charles Barkley apologized to the
fat women of San Antonio who were evidently outraged. Listen.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance wants Chuck to
apologize for his comments, which included saying there are some
quote big old women in San Antonio and that it's
a quote gold mine for weight watchers unquote, for whom
Chuck is a spokesperson, Making slurs about body size is
(30:25):
just as offensive as making comments about body color, said
spokesperson Peggy Howell to t m Z Sports. One would
think being a black man, he'd be more sensitive to
having his physical body criticized totally, totally on the line.
Chuck should absolutely apologize. Well, I just don't know that
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Chuck is gonna have apologize that. People like Chuck don't
have to apologize. People like Chuck are celebrated when they
this stuff like this, courageous bold You tell him, Chuck, Oh,
he was just making a joke. Come on, folks, everybody
knows Chuck, he didn't really mean anything.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Okay, So he has not apologized. And I believe this
was last night, it might have been two nights ago. Chuck,
he made a joke.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Your Nix, by the way, are finally winning some basketball
games like the nineteen nineties all over again. They took
over Philadelphia. I actually watched the end of that game.
There were so many Knicks fans there. But he said
that one of the teams was playing so poorly they
didn't even deserve to take their postseason trip to can Kun.
They should have to go to Galveston instead. And we
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may have a lot of listeners in Galveston, but it's
not as nice as Cankun. And so Beyonce's mom, who
was from Galveston, was upset and wanted Charles to apologize
about that he took it to the next level. This
is what he said last night.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So how do you like Galveston? Now it's beautiful. We're
not going there. We're going to vacation. You've got a whale.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
I ain't going on.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
There's got a chance to wipe the slate, clean.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
You out that water.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
To San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I'd really going to San Antonio to some big old women.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
No, no, I'm not going to gallat I mean I
want to go to the beach down and the river
walk and watch him.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
San Antonio. That's what they have been at. Victoria's secret Jack.
Why is it s because the dem women down and
they can't get them cutla underwear.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
They wear bloomers down in Santa Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Somehow Victoria is secret down man.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
So he's now a decade later, continued the feud. To me,
this is one of the great feuds out there in
sports right now, Buck Charles Barkley versus the fat women
of San Antonio. Charles Barkley, of course not trim himself.
He's had his own battle of the bulge over the years.
But it's funny to me that Rush pointed out rightly
that he's not going to apologize, and he I do
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respect as someone who regularly steers into controversy that rather
than apologize, he doubled and tripled down on the controversy there,
which I think most people actually appreciate.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
They're they're very funny on that that panel. And I
don't watch a lot of sports, but I do see
a fair amount of their eclipse in commentary, and uh,
it's great. You know when you see when you've got
good TV commentary, you know it right away. And there's
a reason why those guys are as popular as they are,
you know, Shaq Barkley, Kenny.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Kenny Smith and uh and uh and Ernie Ernie.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, yeah, they do. They do a very good job.
I've actually never been to San Antonio, which this is,
which is I got to get there. I got a
bunch of reasons I gotta get down there. I've I've
honestly heard it's a great city. I know, we have
a lot of listeners in San Antonio. I've heard that
when you add in quality of life and uh, you know,
safety and everything else, it's a it's a really great city.
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I know people say it's their favorite city in Texas,
not Houston or Dallas. I'm just saying, I know people
have said that.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I went, because I didn't realize this until I had
my own kids, how wacky this was. But when I
was a kid, I got obsessed with the Alamo. And
it's probably not a coincidence that we have Crockett Coffee now,
which is fantastic connected to the Alamo. I knew everything
there was to know about the Alamo. I read every book,
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I knew every detail. I still recall a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
But for my.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Sixth birthday it was a big deal. Of the time,
I didn't travel, you know, on the airplanes very often.
My dad took me to the Alamo, and so we
went to go tour the Alamo, and I could answer
every one of the tour guide's questions, and they were
pretty detailed, and he started peppering me with more and
more questions. When you're five or six and you're like that,
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it just seems totally normal. Now that I've had my
own kids, I understand why all the adults that were
on the tour are like, who is this six year
old who knows everything? Lots of little kids will have
something that they get fascinated by. With me, dinosaurs where
they know way more than anybody else would. And I
bet some of your kids are grandkids, you've experienced this
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where they just become really kind of an expert in something.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Now view knows more about. Like I think I'm pretty good.
I read Jurassic Park before it was a movie, and
I thought dinosaurs were interesting when I was a kid.
But he knows dinosaurs and can point them out. I've
never even heard of them before, so he's really into dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It is amazing sometimes the level of knowledge when a
kid really finds something that he's obsessed with. It's also
super cool to see them get obsessed with learning in
that way. But that was my thing san Antonio. I
remember at six we need or We're on in San Antonio.
I think we've been number one in the marketplace. We
should make a trip down. Now that we got Crockett coffee,
we should deliver coffee for free to that entire Alumo.
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Let them hopefully make some money off of it, because
I'm sure that they could always use more money. And
I mean, I would love to wear the Albamo again.
I remember it's right in town and it kind of
feels you feel like it shouldn't be like right in
the center of town. I remember that from being a kid,
because you feel, just based on the movies and everything else,
like it should be out with surrounded.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But I always been told it's a little bit like
the shootout at the OK Corral. If you go to
where that where you go, if you go to where
that happened, you're shocked by how small it is and
how close quarters. But anybody who knows anything about gunfighting,
and especially with handguns, it's it's close up.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You've got to be pretty close.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
The stuff you see in these old Western movies where
guys are pulling a quick draw from what looks to
be like fifty yards away and hitting a guy square
in the chest. No, that's very very hard and would
be very very rare.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, I think it's super I want to go, but
that would be a one of those history lessons. There's
some places that I haven't been yet. I'd like to
go back as an adult and see what it's actually like.
Thank you for listening. This is the best of with
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome in now number two Klay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Fuck I
wanted to dive in. This was Friday on the Bill
Maher Show. Our friend Anne Colter was on and she
was talking about something that we talked about on the
show on Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
They need to have you on. By the way, I've
been on a few times and been on like a
dozen times. Clay Travis needs someone out there who knows
Bill Maher. Clay needs to be on the Bill Mahers show.
I've been on. They should have me back, but Clay
needs to get on there. I've never been invited.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I don't know. There's two shows that I would like
to do that I have never been on. I would
like to do Bill Maher because I think that is
a very interesting show where people of diverse opinions actually
sit and discuss their diverse opinions, which I think we
need more of, and I would like to do Joe Rogan.
Never been invited on Joe Rogan never been invited on
Bill Maher. I've been invited most other places in the media.
(00:59):
And I know you've done a lot of CNN, BOK,
Fox News, MSNBC back in the day, probably kind of
done it.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Some of us haven't been officially banned from CNN.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I am officially banned from CNN and the ESPN. Maybe
the only person in America who's not allowed to appear
on either.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's like being banned from entry into Iran and North Korea.
That like that. I know it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Is a badge of badge of honor in some way,
and so I don't know. Maybe that's connected somehow to
not being able to go on Bill Maher Joe Rogan,
But I've never been invited on either. I did get invited,
by the way, speaking of crazy invitations, I told you
this off the year I got invited to speech speak
to the Camp Cambridge Debate Society in England, which is
I think pretty badass. So I may end up trying
(01:43):
to do that if the timing works out. But if
you had on your twenty twenty four board Clay Travis
speaking in Cambridge or Oxford, that would probably be not expected.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You definitely need to show up wearing a top hat
and a monocle with an ascot and demand that they
all call you the Earl of Travis.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Maybe I can get knighted while I'm over there. Since
I've been very, very positive towards the royal family, particularly
Queen Elizabeth, who's come in for some dastardly commentary on
this program.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
From you, you know, I got called out by a brit
in Utah. Came up the after it. She's like, you're great.
I love you and Clay, but stop with the nonsense
about the royal family. They're great.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You know, that's really really funny. All right, So this
is an awful story. Let me hit you with it
because I don't know that it's going to get the
attention that it deserves. Two police officers and one first
responder were basically executed in what seems to have been
a targeted attack in Minnesota over the weekend. Three young, innocent,
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two police officers, one first responder I believe he was
a fireman. All three of them were killed. They were killed,
and I try to avoid giving attention to mass shooters.
We've talked about this some on the show because I
think the data reflect that what these people want is
to become infamous. They want us all to talk about
them and share their name and spread it widely. I
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think that is one of the drivers for why mass
shootings occur, so I try to avoid using the name.
But the guy who did it was black, and he
was an Obama supporter, and there's evidence of that. You
can go search it out if you would like. A
lot of you probably have not heard about that because
the narrative is such that if someone is black and
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they commit an act of violence, and if white people
are the victims, by and large, the media just doesn't
cover it and they immediately bury it. The flip side,
if there is a white person who engages in any
sort of violent act against any sort of minority, it
becomes the lead story for days, even sometimes weeks at
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a time. The president issues a statement, everyone decides to
line up. Well, we saw this happened last week. We
finished the show Friday telling you on air that there
were two black juveniles who had open fire at the
Kansas City Chief's Super Bowl celebration parade. One mom was killed,
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a forty two year old I believe mother of two,
a DJ in the Kansas City area, was killed. Over
twenty people were shot. Many of those people were children
and almost immediately, everybody said, this mass shooting cannot be
allowed to stand. We've got to have gun control. This
is unacceptable. Many people in the sports media on ESPN,
they took to the airwaves and demanded it. I don't
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think they've covered it since it became clear that these
were two black juveniles that were involved in the shooting
and it was some sort of dispute between the two
of them, and all of these innocent people got shot
as a result. This is actually what the data reflects
is the most likely form of mass shooting in America.
That is, two often black individuals, angry at each other,
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they fire away, and they are innocent bystanders that end
up being victims, or one or the other of them
shoots each other. This is actually what violence in America
looks like. As I said on the show on Friday,
around three or four percent of the United States population
that as black men between the ages of sixteen and
forty commits over half of all murders in America, and
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they're overwhelming of the overwhelming majority of the time, the
victims themselves are black, and it gets almost no attention.
And in fact, if this shooting in Kansas City had happened, Buck,
You said, what Kansas City had something like over one
hundred and seventy five murders in twenty twenty three, which
is a massive number relative.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Worst number in the history of the city of Kansas City.
It was the highest homicide rate ever.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And that would be if it were New York, LA
or Chicago, to put it in a per capita basis,
that would be thousands of murders that would be taking
place in those cities. Because the population of Kansas City
is a pinprick of New York, Chicago, and LA, particularly
the metropolitan surrounding area. All that is a background and
Colter went on Friday, after we had said it on
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the show that there were two young black juveniles. She
went on and directly said, this story is going to disappear,
and it's because the shooters were black. If this were
a white male, it would be everywhere. You would know
everything about him. Listen to that, cud.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
We don't know who did this shooting. By the way,
the Super Bowls we have some mind.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
You what if it were a white man shooting.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
We'd know, Well, we don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I mean that we know it's not a white man.
I can tell you that much.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Do you think they were repressing that reporting.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
They wouldn't tell us about the transgender woman that shot
up the Christian school for what like a year. Oh,
San Bernardino out here, remember the crazy terrast Muslims. That's
when I first noticed. Hmm, they're not telling us who
it is.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It's not a white male.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
The longer they go without telling you it's not a
white male.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Okay, well we don't for this one for right now
as of Friday night, February sixteen, Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
We don't officially know.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Okay, you know you have special powers.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay, she was right, one hundred percent. She was right.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
She does have special powers apparently because she was able
to see this. Now we said the same thing on Friday,
because this is apparent. But this is now effectively a
rule for the media that they will right away if
the shooter or if somebody basically, if somebody who does
something violent and terrible is white, you will know it
within minutes of the shooting, correct. And if there's some
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other component, If there's some other you know, whether it's
a you know, a gender transgender issue or a racial
issue or whatever, if there's something that's not a you know,
straight white male does killing. They will delay and delay
and delay as law as they can. And this is
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obviously meant to protect certain narratives and all sort of
promote others. So, yeah, there were two young black guys
who did the shooting at the at the parade, and
because we didn't know about them, we knew that they
weren't two white guys doing the shooting and said this.
Notice Bill Maher wasn't saying she was wrong. Yeah, correct,
(08:25):
because he knew, he knew. Then Joy is sitting there.
Don Jones is a pretty is a pretty fiery debater.
I've debated him before. He didn't really get into it
with her on this because everybody knew what she was
saying was true.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
On Saturday, I think it was TMZ posted the videos,
but I had seen the videos and shared them on
social media before that, and you could see who was arrested,
two young black men. So this builds on another question, Buck.
First of all, nobody's going to talk about it now, right,
think about it. Twenty people get shot at a Super
Bowl parade in Kansas City seems like kind of a
(09:02):
huge story. One innocent person is killed. The mediate question
that I have is Wait a minute, how did juveniles
get these weapons to be shooting at each other? And
we just saw up in Michigan the parents charged with
the Michigan school shooter. I immediately think, when somebody is under
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eighteen years old and does this, what in the world
are the parents doing? And and or the guardian. Because
I've got three teenagers or two teenagers and one little kid.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
We probably won't know this, but it won't come out
because they're juveniles. If you were better, I would give
somebody if we were putting odds on this, not to
make I'm by no means of making light of it,
but just in terms of the probabilities here, if you're
putting Vegas odds on it, I think I would give
someone legitimately one hundred to one that neither of these
individuals have a father in the home. Yeah, because when
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you look at, as a matter of statistics, the correlation
between violent criminal activity and the absence of a father
or you know, male father figure in the home, the
numbers are stratispiric, stratospherically high. And by the way, that's
true across all races. But in this case, we know
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these two individuals were black the chance that they do
not and obviously engaged in a horrific active mass violence.
The chance that there's no father in either home is
very high, and the data also reflects. And I always
think I think Anne addressed this by the way too.
I only saw clips of it, but she meant yea
not to leave.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Out Let's play that. Let's play that cut forward, but
right before we play cut four, the data actually reflects.
And I find this fascinating that young boys struggle more
with the absence of a father in the home than
young women do. So single parent households often with women
raising the children and having to do both the role
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of dad and mom girl, probably because I would guess
psychologically there's a strong female figure in their home that
they can look up to and aspire and role model to.
Girls actually do far better than boys do in single
parent homes. And let's listen to cut four as and
Culter makes this point. I think if we wanted to
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have a real conversation in America, two juveniles opening fire
at a Super Bowl parade would be a good opportunity
to actually have a conversation about how something like this happens. Instead,
because it's two young black men, the story vanishes and
we don't have a conversation about it at all.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Listen to cut four blacks killing blacks will not get
covered by the media. That's a huge media problem out
You'll all laugh at me, but I'm gonna say it
because I'm right right, because of this is illegitimacy. All
of these young men do not have fathers, and that
is a huge, huge source of it. Anything that could
be done to reduce to illegitimacy rape, particularly among the
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black community, it would be astronomical to changes.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You see.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Do you know just one one fact, If you take
away the factor of illegitimacy, the difference in the black
and the white crime right disappears. You know, it's an
amazing facts.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's it's it would be amazing facts if it were true.
But I'm like, I mean, it is a big part
of it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Okay. Can I just first of all, you know that's
the problem with with I'll just say this with a
liberal audience, and you get this in the Bill Mahers show.
They're clapping for what was a stupid comment. Because it
is true. It is true. This is a matter of
sociology and numbers. You can look at Holmes, is there
a married couple in the home, and look at the
correlation with crime, and the data proves this very much
(12:45):
of you know, very strongly that the appsence it just
makes sense too. So Van Jones is saying it's not true.
You know why he says that because he doesn't want
to engage in the debate, so he just says that's
a lie. It's not a lie. What sheet What Anne
is saying here on the Bill Show is accurate, and
it is a conversation that we are not. You know,
we're a lot have natural conversations play about gun control,
(13:08):
video game violence, white supremacy and how that's creating all
this violence. I've met jihattists or you know, I've come
across gihatis who want to blow up buildings. I've still
never met a white supremacist. I'm not saying they don't exist,
but this is a rare thing, and yet we can
have natural conversations about that. But the effect that broken
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families have, particularly on young men who have no role model,
who have no father figure, even in the home, across
the board. You know, you look at the the sociological
research on this, it's very clear and yet we're never
allowed to have a discussion about this because really what
the government has done is they've decided that they're actually
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going to Illegitimacy is subsidized effectively, and that has become
a huge component of lbj's Great Society program today.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, also, Buck, I would say this is a part
of a rature of men in general. There's this idea
that men don't matter and that masculinity is toxic. You
know what ended up happening with those guys shooting at
Kansas City Parade. Men ran and tackled those individuals to
keep them from firing more guns. I think we need
(14:25):
a little bit more toxic masculinity in America.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
For young men. You know, you're raising three young boys play.
We can talk more about this, but to have a
masculine figure in their life who they respect on a
man to man level, to tell them things like you
never lay your hands on a woman, to tell them
things like you never join a group, beatdown of somebody
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who's helpless, or you know, you never you never try
to use violence instead of words unless someone is trying
to be violent with you. First, you can defend yourself.
That's the comes from dads. It's very hard for a woman,
any woman, a mother, to connect with a fourteen year
old or fifteen year old.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Boy, especially once their post puberty, once their.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Posture, once hormones and adolescents and everything kicks in.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, gotta have a You gotta have a dad
who sometimes grabs you by the scruff of the neck
and talks to you. And I the best privilege in
America today is a two parent household period regardless of
your racial background.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You are listening to the best of Clay, Travis and Bucks.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Second, it's ok with the movies here for a second,
I I gotta look at where the movie theater stocks
are because I got to figure that it's going to
be a tough time for movie theaters going forward. It's
when you add up all the headache. First of all
the notion you have to be somewhere at a certain
set time even to watch a movie. It's not a
Broadway play like, it's not quite the same kind of event.
(15:50):
I remember back in the nineties early nineties going to
a movie with my family when it was first coming out,
and it was a big movie like the first remember
the the Michael Key and Batman that was a that
was a huge movie when that came out. I remember
going to see Jurassic Park with my parents and my
(16:10):
whole family and seeing that the Zigfeld Theater in New
York City and the giant speakers, and that was so cool.
Movies used to be an experience that you couldn't replicate
at all at home. Now you can and you don't
have people talking. What is it with people think that
when the when the music gets loud or the sound
gets loud, you get you get start to do the
(16:31):
loud whisper thing no, no, no, and pulling their phones out,
and it's just it's you know, I don't know. I
don't I don't go to I don't go to movies anymore.
I'm kind of out. I watch movies. I just don't
go to the movie theater anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I love going to the movie theater. And staff looked
this up and and and crew confirmed that I'm cleaning
you still do though, you still do still want to
take it by. Boys like to go see a movie,
love the experience. Uh even today, I would still I
was one of the diehards that would still be willing
(17:05):
to go to the movie when everybody else was convinced
they were gonna die of COVID. I couldn't wait for
the movie theaters to be back open. I think they
opened back up in like May or June where I am.
I was right back in the theater as soon as
I could be, even when they were showing old eighties
and nineties movies because they didn't have any new movies
to be able to watch. What was the U was?
(17:26):
What was the movie that came out that was like
the first movie to come back out after COVID? That
was a I know we had Top Gun Maverick, but
the the Interstellar guy, Uh didn't he come out with
a movie? Is an inception? Is that the movie that
came out christ was no one who had It's It's
(17:47):
Denzel Washington's son, and it was about the theater getting
taken over and it's kind of a thriller and you
could change. That was the first real new release to
come back out after COVID, and I feel like that
was I don't remember when that came out, but I
remember being super excited to go see it. I wanted
to go this weekend buck. I got my phone out,
(18:08):
I pulled up the fan Dango app movies mean to fail.
It's unbelievable how awful they were.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Tenant is the movie that you're tenning of it, which
I never saw. I know nothing about it. It's good.
I'm not making good movies anymore. But they're not making
good movies because the whole industry has changed because people
aren't paying twenty bucks a person to go sit in
the theater the way they used to. They want to
sit at home and stream it. That's just the reality.
My couch is so much more comfortable than a movie theater.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I want to be in the movie theater with really
good movies out again, like in the eighties and like
in the nineties. And I think that Hollywood has just
destroyed itself by being more concerned with politics than story.
Just get back to telling me good stories. That's all
I want.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Welcome back into Clay and Back. We're joined by Batya
Unger Sargun. She is an opinion editor at Newsweek, has
a new book out, Second Class, How the Elites Betrayed
America's working men and women. Batia, this is fortunate. It's
one of those times where the title itself gets a
whole lot of conversation started, I think because people recognize
(19:18):
that something's gone on. I mean, I could talk just
about the elites selling out to China and what that's
done to American manufacturing and workers. But let's let you
lead us first. Here. Where should we start? How and
why have the elites betrayed America's working men and women.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Well, thank you guys so much for having me. It's
really thrilling to be here with you. It's music to
my ears to hear you say that, because I really
wanted this book to be a conversation starter. There's so
much in it that I think feels incredibly intuitive, especially
to working class people or people like you guys whose
lives are not totally separate from working class people the
way that many and the elites are. It's so obvious
(19:58):
that life has become incredibly diff for the hardest working Americans.
So I really wanted to explain how that happened, why
that happened, and how we fix it. And so I
traveled around the country for a year, interviewing working class
people from all political persuasions, all races, lots of different
industries to get their thoughts on whether they think they
still have a fair shot at the American dream and
(20:21):
really how we could increase their shot at the American dream.
And I heard a lot of them talking about how
betrayed they feel by the elites, and by the way,
by the elites they don't mean billionaires. A lot of
them admire billionaires. They see billionaires as jobs creators. By
the elites, they mean that sort of credentialed, college over
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educated elite in the top twenty percent in professional managerial jobs,
who really, over the course of the last four years,
have been engaged in a plunder of the middle class
and upward transfer of wealth of middle class wages into
their own pockets.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Are you optimistic that things are gonna get better for
people who are out there working on a day to
day basis. I mean, when you look at inflation, which
has taken a huge bite out of their paychecks and
all of our paychecks, but in particular when you live
paycheck to paycheck, it has far more of an impact.
Are you optimistic that the general trend lines can be
(21:21):
in their favor or do you think things are perpetually
aligned against them.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
I'm really curious what you guys think about this, I
feel totally optimistic. I'll tell you why we don't remember this,
But when Trump came into office, there was a handshake
agreement between the two parties that we should have free
trade with China. I mean, that was the orthodoxy that
governed the Democrats and the Republicans at the time. And
(21:47):
Trump showed up and just took an axe to that
neoliberal order and said, We're not gonna have free trade
with China. We're never trade war. And he put these
tariffs on steel and aluminum, put tariffs on others things,
really tried to write that trade deficit that we had.
And now he was so successful that President Biden has
(22:10):
been unable to undo all of that work and has
actually kept a lot of those tariffs. So if you
think about how the ship was totally going in one
direction and one man could show up with the mandate
given to him by his voters and totally turn that
around so much so that his enemy, who undid every
other good thing he did, could not undo it, I
(22:31):
mean that makes me feel so optimistic. I mean, on
immigration again, like it was in the nineties, it was
the Democrats who wanted to control the border because they
wanted to protect working class wages, and it was the
Republicans who wanted to give amnesty to all of these people.
Now there really is a consensus among working Americans that
immigration has gone off the charts too much and that
(22:53):
we really need to stop this. And by the way,
that's liberals and conservative working class people.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I just wanted to note about you, and I think
this is so important. Trump's victory on the trade issue
came not only against the Democrat opposition to him. They
just hate anything that Trump does, but even Republicans were
initially very critical, and he broke with the DC consensus,
you could say, the Swamp consensus on trade. And the
people that I know who really study trade like that,
the trade nerds out there. I would have them on
(23:20):
and talk to them, and they would point out we
were already in a trade war. It was just a
one way trade war, as in China was waging a
trade war against us, and we were saying, well, let's
just keep promoting free trade. And it was an absurdity
and Trump came and stopped that. And I appreciate that
you make note. You get into that in your book
Second Class, How the Elites betrayed America's Working Men and Women.
That's the book by Batia Hunger Stargan. You mentioned the
(23:42):
immigration issue. This is one. It's one of the I
think most fascinating and honestly most important issues in America
today and has been for many years. There's more focus
on it now than there has been a while. But
let's break down some of what it really means. You
mentioned protecting wages. What does it mean the cost of
a house? What does it mean for wages to have
(24:02):
not just a lot of mass immigration in general, but
now millions upon millions. Eight million is probably the number
for Biden's first term coming into the country illegally.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Yeah, it's a really really important issue. The way that
I think about it is like this. You know, first,
they shipped good paying manufacturing jobs overseas to build up
China and Mexico's middle class. Right. They took these great jobs,
five million of them, and just handed them off to
our enemies. And then President Obama defunded vocational training, cutting
(24:37):
off another avenue to the American dream for working class people.
And then they invite it in millions and millions and
millions of illegal immigrants over the course of the last
fifty years, but really, like you said, over the last
four years, turbocharged to undercut further the jobs that remained here.
It is so crazy to remember that meat packing jobs,
(25:00):
those used to be the job to have. They were
great wages, great benefits, you know, great protections for workers.
All of that is gone. It is now they employ
tons and tons of illegal immigrants, which means that it
drives down the wages. There are no more protections for workers,
no more benefits. So they then devalued the jobs that
(25:21):
remained here. And if you objected to that as a
working class person who was trying to understand, why is
it that my parents were able to support my family
and buy a home on a single income and I'm
working two or three jobs and I can't support my children.
You're trying to struggle to understand that, and you call
it out, you get called a racist and smeared as
a racist. That is the move that the leftist elites
(25:45):
do to mask their plunder of the working class and
the middle class, which put money in their pockets, because
of course they are the people who employ these illegal immigrants.
So when they open that border and flood these industries,
whether it's cleaning or landscape or meat packing or healthcare.
At the lower end of that, they flood it with
illegal workers. Everything's cheaper for them, right, They don't have
(26:07):
to pay what they would have paid an American worker.
And you know the proof that this is intentional is
listen to DHS Secretary Alejandro Majorcis. Every time he has
asked about the border, and I mean every time. He
did it again three days ago on Fox News. He's
done it every time he's been before Congress or the
Senate when he is asked about the border. What does
(26:28):
he say? He says, our corporations have jobs they can't fill.
He thinks his job is not to secure the border,
but to partner with these murderous cartels in supplying American
corporations with cheap labor.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Bodiya.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Based on your travels, we got Trump having his rally
in the South Bronx here in a few hours. The
data out there is reflecting that in particular for men
but also for women. But men out there, wage journers, black, white,
Asian and Hispanic are overwhelmingly moving towards Trump. Does that
surprise you? Do you think the Republican Party actually has
(27:07):
way more support among minority voters out there that are
wage earners than maybe they've realized historically.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I wouldn't say it's the Republican Party because I found
in my travels that, you know, there's one thing working
class conservatives hate more than the Democratic Party, and it's
the Republican Party. They really hate the GOP as it
was embodied by someone like NICKI Haley, the kind of
free trade, foreign entanglements, foreign wars version of the party,
the Chamber of Commerce version. They are defecting from the
(27:36):
Democratic Party for Trump. He's really running like a third
party candidate, is what he's done, and as an incumbent
because he has that record. And I'll tell you something funny.
When I was reporting my book, I was traveling around
the country interviewing working class people and you know, many
different communities. I didn't find a single black man who
was planning to vote for Biden. And I said to myself, girl,
(27:58):
something's off, like you're your selection bias is off, like
you hand picking people, cherry picking. It wasn't until you know,
a year later that I started to see the polling
where he was really surging with black men who feel
totally sold out by the kind of feminized version of
the Democratic Party that puts a total premium out of
(28:18):
college education, that welcomed in millions and millions of people
to compete for that with them for working class jobs,
and sold out their future.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
The buote out by Batia Hunger Sargan is fantastic. Highly
recommend you get a copy Second Class How the Elites
betrayed America's working men and women. Batya, that was really fascinating.
Please come back soon.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Thank you so much, God bless you guys.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Going to be interesting to see the numbers that support
the arguments that she's making there, whether they truly translate
in twenty twenty four. If they do, I think is
going to be a seismic shift in the way that
politics are talked about in this country. In a very
good way.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Charles Barkley is I think one of the funniest people
on television, and he's gotten criticism over the years because
he just says exactly what he thinks and whatever the
reaction is, he handles it. And Rush talked about this before.
I think it's one of the funniest feuds out there
a while back, Charles Barkley said that San Antonio had
(29:25):
a lot of big women, and there was a demand
that he apologized because I think he said fat women,
and there were people out there who said, this is
totally unacceptable, and Rush actually weighed in on this when
the controversy began and the crew went back and grabbed
Rush talking about this. Here was and then we've got
(29:47):
an update on this that I think you guys are
going to get a good laugh from. But here was Rush.
This was a while back, I think twenty fourteen, when
there was a demand that Charles Barkley apologized to the
fat women of San Antonio who were evidently outraged. Listen.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance wants Chuck to
apologize for his comments, which included saying there are some
quote big old women in San Antonio and that it's
a quote gold mine for weight watchers unquote, for whom
Chuck is a spokesperson, Making slurs about body size is
(30:25):
just as offensive as making comments about body color, said
spokesperson Peggy Howell to t m Z Sports. One would
think being a black man, he'd be more sensitive to
having his physical body criticized totally, totally on the line.
Chuck should absolutely apologize. Well, I just don't know that
(30:45):
Chuck is gonna have apologize that. People like Chuck don't
have to apologize. People like Chuck are celebrated when they
this stuff like this, courageous bold You tell him, Chuck, Oh,
he was just making a joke. Come on, folks, everybody
knows Chuck, he didn't really mean anything.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Okay, So he has not apologized. And I believe this
was last night, it might have been two nights ago. Chuck,
he made a joke.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Your Nix, by the way, are finally winning some basketball
games like the nineteen nineties all over again. They took
over Philadelphia. I actually watched the end of that game.
There were so many Knicks fans there. But he said
that one of the teams was playing so poorly they
didn't even deserve to take their postseason trip to can Kun.
They should have to go to Galveston instead. And we
(31:34):
may have a lot of listeners in Galveston, but it's
not as nice as Cankun. And so Beyonce's mom, who
was from Galveston, was upset and wanted Charles to apologize
about that he took it to the next level. This
is what he said last night.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So how do you like Galveston? Now it's beautiful. We're
not going there. We're going to vacation. You've got a whale.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
I ain't going on.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
There's got a chance to wipe the slate, clean.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
You out that water.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
To San Antonio.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I'd really going to San Antonio to some big old women.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
No, no, I'm not going to gallat I mean I
want to go to the beach down and the river
walk and watch him.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
San Antonio. That's what they have been at. Victoria's secret Jack.
Why is it s because the dem women down and
they can't get them cutla underwear.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
They wear bloomers down in Santa Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Somehow Victoria is secret down man.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
So he's now a decade later, continued the feud. To me,
this is one of the great feuds out there in
sports right now, Buck Charles Barkley versus the fat women
of San Antonio. Charles Barkley, of course not trim himself.
He's had his own battle of the bulge over the years.
But it's funny to me that Rush pointed out rightly
that he's not going to apologize, and he I do
(32:51):
respect as someone who regularly steers into controversy that rather
than apologize, he doubled and tripled down on the controversy there,
which I think most people actually appreciate.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
They're they're very funny on that that panel. And I
don't watch a lot of sports, but I do see
a fair amount of their eclipse in commentary, and uh,
it's great. You know when you see when you've got
good TV commentary, you know it right away. And there's
a reason why those guys are as popular as they are,
you know, Shaq Barkley, Kenny.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Kenny Smith and uh and uh and Ernie Ernie.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, yeah, they do. They do a very good job.
I've actually never been to San Antonio, which this is,
which is I got to get there. I got a
bunch of reasons I gotta get down there. I've I've
honestly heard it's a great city. I know, we have
a lot of listeners in San Antonio. I've heard that
when you add in quality of life and uh, you know,
safety and everything else, it's a it's a really great city.
(33:45):
I know people say it's their favorite city in Texas,
not Houston or Dallas. I'm just saying, I know people
have said that.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I went, because I didn't realize this until I had
my own kids, how wacky this was. But when I
was a kid, I got obsessed with the Alamo. And
it's probably not a coincidence that we have Crockett Coffee now,
which is fantastic connected to the Alamo. I knew everything
there was to know about the Alamo. I read every book,
(34:11):
I knew every detail. I still recall a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
But for my.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Sixth birthday it was a big deal. Of the time,
I didn't travel, you know, on the airplanes very often.
My dad took me to the Alamo, and so we
went to go tour the Alamo, and I could answer
every one of the tour guide's questions, and they were
pretty detailed, and he started peppering me with more and
more questions. When you're five or six and you're like that,
(34:37):
it just seems totally normal. Now that I've had my
own kids, I understand why all the adults that were
on the tour are like, who is this six year
old who knows everything? Lots of little kids will have
something that they get fascinated by. With me, dinosaurs where
they know way more than anybody else would. And I
bet some of your kids are grandkids, you've experienced this
(34:58):
where they just become really kind of an expert in something.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Now view knows more about. Like I think I'm pretty good.
I read Jurassic Park before it was a movie, and
I thought dinosaurs were interesting when I was a kid.
But he knows dinosaurs and can point them out. I've
never even heard of them before, so he's really into dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It is amazing sometimes the level of knowledge when a
kid really finds something that he's obsessed with. It's also
super cool to see them get obsessed with learning in
that way. But that was my thing san Antonio. I
remember at six we need or We're on in San Antonio.
I think we've been number one in the marketplace. We
should make a trip down. Now that we got Crockett coffee,
we should deliver coffee for free to that entire Alumo.
(35:38):
Let them hopefully make some money off of it, because
I'm sure that they could always use more money. And
I mean, I would love to wear the Albamo again.
I remember it's right in town and it kind of
feels you feel like it shouldn't be like right in
the center of town. I remember that from being a kid,
because you feel, just based on the movies and everything else,
like it should be out with surrounded.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But I always been told it's a little bit like
the shootout at the OK Corral. If you go to
where that where you go, if you go to where
that happened, you're shocked by how small it is and
how close quarters. But anybody who knows anything about gunfighting,
and especially with handguns, it's it's close up.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You've got to be pretty close.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
The stuff you see in these old Western movies where
guys are pulling a quick draw from what looks to
be like fifty yards away and hitting a guy square
in the chest. No, that's very very hard and would
be very very rare.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, I think it's super I want to go, but
that would be a one of those history lessons. There's
some places that I haven't been yet. I'd like to
go back as an adult and see what it's actually like.
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