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Apr 11 at 15:27 comment added Scott Rowe When looking at a possible crime scene, we know that criminals exist. When looking at a possible universe, we don't know that gods exist. All these arguments assume that the thing they are trying to prove the existence of exists. Is that a good assumption? Maybe we should establish that first.
Apr 11 at 14:57 comment added Pertti Ruismäki @Stella You describe a deterministic universe that cannot evolve. Therefore it must be designed. I suggested a regular evolving universe to represent the non-agent option.
Apr 11 at 14:42 comment added Baby_philosopher The word design isn’t in the question. Stop reading what you want.
Apr 11 at 14:17 comment added Pertti Ruismäki @Stella Only a divine being can design the initial (and all subsequent) conditions of a deterministic universe. That is why I suggested a regular universe that evolves, does not need a designer.
Apr 11 at 14:09 comment added Baby_philosopher Having initial conditions lead to an event does not imply divine design. What the hell are you talking about?
Apr 11 at 13:11 comment added Pertti Ruismäki @Stella What's the point of eliminating the most probable explanation beforehand? What's the point of having both explanations imply a divine designer?
Apr 11 at 13:04 comment added Baby_philosopher Because that’s the point of the example
Apr 11 at 12:37 comment added Pertti Ruismäki @Stella Why would I have to assume that?
Apr 11 at 12:18 comment added Baby_philosopher The whole point is that you have to assume it’s not possible for a human/alien to have done it
Apr 11 at 11:22 history answered Pertti Ruismäki CC BY-SA 4.0