Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

MacRumors

macrumors bot
Original poster
Apr 12, 2001
64,416
32,243


The "A16" chip for the iPhone will reportedly be manufactured with the same process as the iPhone 13's A15 Bionic, with Apple saving a bigger performance leap for the "M2" chip designed for its next-generation Macs. Meanwhile, the company is working on a "final" M1 chip variant that uses more powerful cores from the A15, according to the leaker known as "ShrimpApplePro."

a16-5nm-m2-3nm-feature-2.jpg

In a thread on Twitter, ShrimpApplePro shared information from "a fairly reliable source" that purports to reveal Apple's chip plans for the upcoming A16 and M2 chips, as well as the "final" variant in the M1 family of chips.

The A16 will reportedly be based on TSMC's 5nm process, just like the A14, A15, and M1 chips. Previous reports have been unclear about whether the A16 will be fabricated with TSMC's more advanced 4nm process, with an ambiguous report from DigiTimes claiming that Apple plans to use TSMC's 4nm N4P process – but N4P is in fact an enhanced, third-generation version of the 5nm process. On the other hand, ShrimpApplePro said that the A16 will use TSMC's N5P process. This suggests that the A16 may be less of a substantial upgrade than previously thought.

According to the information, the A16's improvements will instead come from minor enhancements to the CPU, GPU, and memory. Mirroring a report from analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, ShrimpApplePro said that the A16 will specifically feature LPDDR 5 memory. LPDDR 5 memory is up to one and a half times faster and up to 30 percent more power-efficient than the LPDDR 4X memory paired with the A15 chip in the iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 Pro.

The M2 chip will apparently be the first Apple chip to make the jump to TSMC's 3nm process, skipping 4nm entirely. The M2 is believed to be Apple's first custom ARMv9 processor.

Apple is also said to be working on the "final SoC of M1 series," featuring updated cores. The M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max, and M1 Ultra chips use energy-efficient "Icestorm" cores and high-performance "Firestorm" cores – just like the A14 Bionic chip. Apple's final M1 variant will instead allegedly be based on the A15 Bionic, featuring "Blizzard" energy-efficient cores and "Avalanche" high-performance cores.

This final chip in the M1 family could be offered in the next-generation Mac Pro, which Apple explicitly teased earlier this year. Currently, Apple's most powerful chip is the M1 Ultra, which is effectively a doubled-up version of the M1 Max with a 20-core CPU and a 64-core GPU. With the first Apple silicon Mac Pro, Apple is believed to be working on a chip that is even more powerful than the M1 Ultra. The M1 Ultra in the Mac Studio is already faster than the 28-core Intel Xeon chip, so the Mac Pro will need to boast an even more extreme advance in performance.

Alternatively, if it is not for the Mac Pro, this new chip could be a variant of the standard M1 chip. Kuo said earlier this year that the 2022 MacBook Air would retain the M1 chip rather than feature the M2, so it is possible that ShrimpApplePro's rumor relates to the entry-level M1 rather than the top-tier M1 variant in the Apple silicon Mac Pro, or something else entirely. Offering devices with an iteration of the standard M1 chip could help Apple buy time before releasing Macs with the M2 chip.

Other reports claim that the A16 chip will debut exclusively in the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max, with the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Max sticking with the iPhone 13's A15 Bionic, while the M2 chip is mostly rumored to be introduced with a redesigned MacBook Air later this year, before spreading to a wave of new Macs and potentially the next-generation iPad Pro.

ShrimpApplePro was unsure about the final naming of the "A16," "M2," and the final M1 chip variant and said that the rumor should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Article Link: Alleged Apple Chip Plans Suggest 'A16' Will Stick With 5nm, 'M2' to Make Jump to 3nm Instead
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Mokter22

Colstan

macrumors 6502
Jul 30, 2020
330
711
Sounds like Apple had a change of plans after delays due to lockdowns and delays, and the strongly positive reaction to the M1. Perhaps what had originally meant to be the "M2" will only see limited release in a few products as the "M1X". They could be reserving the "M2" designation for a more substantial upgrade, using TSMC's 3nm process.
 

now i see it

macrumors G4
Jan 2, 2002
10,909
23,110
Even if the A15 is essentially used again in the less expensive iPhone 14s, they’ll get tweaked a bit and given a new name - so don’t fret, there won’t be any A15 chips in any iPhone 14s. At least officially.
 

giggles

macrumors 65816
Dec 15, 2012
1,049
1,278
If the Mac Pro SoC has got Blizzard/Avalanche cores, it ain’t an M1, it’s an M2, no matter what they’re going to call it, like:
- M1 Super Saiyan God
- M1 Cell Final Form
- M1 Ultra Twin Turbo
- X1
- T1
- P1
- etc.

If it’s not based on Firestorm/Icestorm cores, no sense in calling it “the final form of the M1”…so the leaker is off the mark about this..
 

Kazgarth

macrumors 6502
Oct 18, 2020
303
836
All Qualcomm & Mediatek top tier SoCs uses TSMC's 4nm now. So I find it hard to believe that Apple won't use 4nm for the next iPhone chip.

5nm is so 2020.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Agit21 and haunebu

EugW

macrumors G5
Jun 18, 2017
14,303
12,055
Apple is also said to be working on the "final SoC of M1 series," featuring updated cores. The M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max, and M1 Ultra chips use energy-efficient "Icestorm" cores and high-performance "Firestorm" cores – just like the A14 Bionic chip. Apple's final M1 variant will instead allegedly be based on the A15 Bionic, featuring "Blizzard" energy-efficient cores and "Avalanche" high-performance cores.

This final chip in the M1 family could be offered in the next-generation Mac Pro, which Apple explicitly teased earlier this year.
This doesn't make sense, because Apple itself has already said it's done with M1 series. M1 Ultra is the end of the line.

My guess is that the new Mac Pro chip won't be called M anything. I'm thinking it would have a different nomenclature.

I’ll just stick to what I understood: there is guy on Twitter who likes shrimps and he talks about chips.
I love shrimp chips!

shrimp-chips-12.jpg
 
Last edited:

Macative

Suspended
Mar 7, 2022
834
1,319
Sounds like Apple had a change of plans after delays due to lockdowns and delays, and the strongly positive reaction to the M1. Perhaps what had originally meant to be the "M2" will only see limited release in a few products as the "M1X". They could be reserving the "M2" designation for a more substantial upgrade, using TSMC's 3nm process.
Where do you get that? TSMC's 3nm process was always scheduled for next year and has never been delayed.

The simple fact is that Apple is in no hurry to iterate on the M1 Macs, which is what people should have expected from the beginning. They will iterate to the M2 chip when 3nm is available, making for a big performance leap.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KeithBN

sw1tcher

macrumors 603
Jan 6, 2004
5,609
19,866
Sounds like the iPhone 15 is the one to wait for. USB-C and 3nm A17? Sign me up!
But the iPhone 16 will have USB-C and an even faster A18. That's the one you want to wait for.

Hmm... Well, if you really think about it though by the time the iPhone 18 rolls around in 2026 with the A20 (?) chip, it should be on a more efficient and more power 2nm die (TSMC preivously stated their 2nm chip is on a mid- to late-2025 production timeline). Therefore, I retract my prior recommendation and suggest you wait for the iPhone 18. ;)
 

Bytor65

macrumors 6502a
Feb 10, 2010
845
169
Canada
Sound like total BS made up rumor. Why give any credence to some random nobody.

Apple clearly stated there were no more M1 versions coming.

A15 performance cores are essentially the same as the ones in M1 already, performance core perform almost identicle clock for clock.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.