'A19' and 'M5' Chips Discovered on Apple Backend Server

[MacRumors]

References to what are believed to be the "A19" and "M5" Apple silicon chips have been discovered in official Apple code.

The references, found by Twitter user "@_orangera1n," indicate the existence of a large number of unreleased Apple chips. Following the trends of Apple's chip identifiers, the latest discoveries are believed to correspond to the "A19," "M5 Pro," "M5 Max," and "M5 Ultra" chips, suggesting that work on these processors is underway.

Apple's Tatsu Signing Server (TSS) verifies firmware files by issuing unique certificates called APTickets, which contain specific details, with no third-party logs. In an effort to identify unreleased ApChipIDs, TSS requests were made for every possible identifier. Those that did not return an invalid identifier seemingly point to an unreleased chip.

Among the discovered ApChipIDs, the identifier 0x8150 is believed to correspond to the A19, while 0x6050, 0x6051, and 0x6052 are believed to represent the M5 Pro, M5 Max, and M5 Ultra, respectively. This inference is made based on the logical sequence and patterns of previously released chips.

Assuming that Apple continues to release new iPhone models every year, the A19 could debut in 2025's iPhone 17 Pro models. For now, Apple's first 3nm chip, the A17 Bionic, is believed to be just weeks away from announcement in the iPhone 15 Pro models, sporting major performance and efficiency improvements over all of the Apple silicon chips from recent years that are based on TSMC's 5nm process.

Article Link: 'A19' and 'M5' Chips Discovered on Apple Backend Server

 

[george88]

This means the A18 is already finished and could have been added to the Iphone 15 pro series if apple wanted to

 

[macvicta]

This means the A18 is already finished and could have been added to the Iphone 15 pro series if apple wanted to

It means nothing of the sort.

 

[cpnotebook80]

What happens to the manufacturing process when M5 comes around? will it be lower than 3nm at that time. How small can they go and what happens when they reach 1-2nm..where do they go next? just curious

 

[surfzen21]

That settles it for me.

I will no longer get an M3 computer. I will wait for the M5. 🤣

 

[george88]

It means nothing of the sort.

so you think they're working on the A19 before the A18?

 

[rgwebb]

This means the A18 is already finished and could have been added to the Iphone 15 pro series if apple wanted to

No it doesn't

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

M5? It’s M6 or nothing for me.

 

[MayaUser]

so you think they're working on the A19 before the A18?

it means the design can be finished but from that to mass production is way too big of a difference

 

[GeoStructural]

This means the A18 is already finished and could have been added to the Iphone 15 pro series if apple wanted to

Not really. All these components go through a process of development and testing before they reach mass production.

Just for reference, the camera is decided/completed 2 to 3 years before the phone is even released. I would argue that A and M chips are even more critical and go through a more extensive process.

 

[peripatetic]

I’m still waiting on the PowerBook G5.

 

[anakin44011]

M5? It’s M6 or nothing for me.

I assume you mean the M6 Super-Duper Extreme variant, as all of the others will be terribly underpowered compared to our imaginations.😜

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Command-F “extreme”

Yup, this story checks out

 

[gpat]

Are we sure that they didn't hack into a BMW server by mistake?

 

[17fox]

That settles it for me.

I will no longer get an M3 computer. I will wait for the M5. 🤣

Same here. Gonna stick with my Intel iMac from 2017 for a few years. 🤣

 

[anakin44011]

I’m still waiting on the PowerBook G5.

I got my pre-release prototype and it melted the earth beneath it. Firefighters didn't even bother arriving on the scene as the flames were completely contained in the 40 foot hole in my basement.

But for a brief moment, the thing screamed. The benchmarks were off the charts!

 

[CatalinApple]

M5? It’s M6 or nothing for me.

Maybe they are already working on M6 and M7. 😁 I wouldn't be surprised if Apple works in advance on the next 3-4 generations of chips.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

What happens to the manufacturing process when M5 comes around? will it be lower than 3nm at that time. How small can they go and what happens when they reach 1-2nm..where do they go next? just curious

Nothing gets in the way of Marketing. If this size shrinkage illusion (because nothing is actually 3nm) remains important at the time, they can split a tiny bit of a nm into Angstroms and then start that countdown from a high number. Yes, that would mean they are hopping only fractions of (the illusion of) nanometers with each generation but people tuned in enough to think about such things vs. a bigger number painted on top of a chip only seem to care that this number shrinks a whole number at a time. 50 Angstroms, 49 Angstroms, 48 Angstroms, etc would give them 50 generations of the illusion of shrinkage to spin to the more in-the-know crowd. M5, M6, M7, M8, etc increments are incredibly easy to paint on each new chip whether it has any true technological changes or not.

If Marketing feels like it needs this little punch of spin, there is always a way to keep this ship running for nearly forever. Just shrink the base measure. Metaphorically, if tangible size is important, one inch won't reduce to zero inches, so a whole number reduction can't work there. But one inch can be split into 25mm or 25400 microns. So if the traditional measure was in inches, a change to mm could provide 25 (whole number) generations or a change to microns as the measure could yield 25K generations. This (not) problem will be resolved the same way.

 

[coffeemilktea]

the A19 could debut in 2025's iPhone 17 Pro models

Just in time for Apple to announce that iOS 19 won't support my iPhone 11 😢

 

[George Bailey]

so you think they're working on the A19 before the A18?

Not before. They're working on both. It takes too long to do it sequentially.

 

[lkrupp]

New iPhone 15 doesn't have M5? No thanks. 😎 /s

 

[lkrupp]

Remember people, we are in the infancy of Apple Silicon. What wonders might lie ahead?

 

[gpat]

Remember people, we are in the infancy of Apple Silicon. What wonders might lie ahead?

Most likely, M3 being a major upgrade, M4 and M5 being minor revisions, and for the rest we'll see around 2030.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

What happens to the manufacturing process when M5 comes around?

It will involve sorcery.

 

[Siliconguy]

M5? It’s M6 or nothing for me.

After what happened with the last M5 computer you would think they would skip the name.

😉